2024 POTUS - polling only

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Source Ranking As of
The Cook Political Report[246] Tossup October 4, 2022
Inside Elections[247] Tossup August 25, 2022
Sabato's Crystal Ball[248] Lean R November 7, 2022
Politico[249] Tossup June 8, 2022
RCP[250] Tossup August 14, 2022
Fox News[251] Tossup October 25, 2022
DDHQ[252] Tossup October 15, 2022
538[253] Tossup November 7, 2022
The Economist[254] Tossup November 1, 2022
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What does 2022 have to do with anything??

PP is pointing out that all of the poll aggregators and forecasts showed the 2022 Senate race between Fetterman and Oz as a tossup when Fetterman then won by five points which is a landslide in a 50-50 state.


Oh yeah all the polls far OVER estimated R candidates in the 2022 midterms. That was the red wave that never materialized. I’m wondering why that was. Trump himself was obviously not on the ballot in 2022, so of course no one benefited from riding his coattails. Dr. Oz was also a weak candidate. And we don’t seem to be seeing Trump making a difference for Kari Lake or Mark Robinson. Are the polls over-stating Trump’s support in an effort to correct for 2016??


The Trump effect was still there. He was involved in selecting many of the final Republican candidates. For example, in the PA GOP primary, David McCormick and Mehmet Oz were running neck and neck ahead of the field until Trump stepped in, endorsed Oz and Oz won the primary. Trump backing also helped JD Vance beat out Tim Ryan, helped Ted Budd win the NC Senate seat, helped long-shot Blake Master win the Republican nomination in AZ, helped Doug Mastriano win the GOP nomination for Governor in PA, and many more.

Trump's endorsements made a big difference in who won primaries. He had a lesser effect on his chosen candidates in the general election, but that was not surprising considering how extreme and partisan Trump himself is. He attracts the extreme GOP voters who will follow his lead, but is less effective in the general populace.
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I have never heard of this "Christian Crystal Ball" - is this some right wing take on the Sabato Crystal Ball?


From his Twitter profile: "Everyone's favorite Austro-Hungarian • Hoppean • Historian • Anti-Marxist • Counter-Revolutionary • Famous for talking across a table to
@NickJFreitas"

I don't even understand what the he is saying. Per modeling, early voting is breaking 60-40 Democrats, and this is somehow devastating for them?
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I can’t find that Quinnipiac poll.

That twitter user frequently posts total BS. Use better sources.
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Trump is losing his edge over Harris on the economy. He was up +12 over Biden. Harris has cut that in half to +6.

Trolls on here need to work harder.

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^^^ gift link
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Every rando with a Twitter account is suddenly a polling expert.
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Every rando with a Twitter account is suddenly a polling expert.


Flood the zone with sh#t. The goal is to get low propensity Harris voters to stay home.
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Every rando with a Twitter account is suddenly a polling expert.


https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3908

Yeah, it's a stupid take by the X poster. The poll shows that Trump at 48 and Harris at 47 among likely voters and even in a two way race. Also, look at their breakdown of support by age:

Harris-Trump 48% to 45% among 18-34 years old? Really????????
Harris-Trump 47% to 50% among 35-50 years old? Really????????
Harris-Trump 52% to 45% among women Hmmmm....
Harris-Trump 83% to 10% among black Hmmmm....

These look pretty suspect to me.
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New polls show a tie in Pennsylvania. Harris is either losing or tied in the past 6 Pennsylvania polls on RCP. Trump’s rally in Butler in October is only going to exacerbate her problems. Because of the assassination attempt Republicans in PA are going to have record turnout and going back to Butler is only going to amp his supporters up more.

Harris is also down by 3% in a new NC poll, showing that this Robinson scandal isn’t doing anything for Harris.

If you look at both state’s polling on RCP you’ll see that Harris peaked in early September and has just been going down ever since. Trump would be wise to adopt Biden’s 2020 basement strategy and just be quiet until Election Day and let Harris spin word salads in every interview.
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Anonymous wrote:New polls show a tie in Pennsylvania. Harris is either losing or tied in the past 6 Pennsylvania polls on RCP. Trump’s rally in Butler in October is only going to exacerbate her problems. Because of the assassination attempt Republicans in PA are going to have record turnout and going back to Butler is only going to amp his supporters up more.

Harris is also down by 3% in a new NC poll, showing that this Robinson scandal isn’t doing anything for Harris.

If you look at both state’s polling on RCP you’ll see that Harris peaked in early September and has just been going down ever since. Trump would be wise to adopt Biden’s 2020 basement strategy and just be quiet until Election Day and let Harris spin word salads in every interview.


You can fool yourself if you want to, but Pennsylvania is not falling for Trump again. I posted this in a Pennsylvania thread last week, but some people need to be reminded:

2018 Governor: Wolf 57.77%, Wagner 40.7% (Wolf won by 855K votes)
2018 Senator: Casey 55.74%, Barletta 42.62% (Casey won by 656K votes)

2020 President: Biden 50.01%, Trump 48.84% (Biden won by 81K votes)
2020 Attorney General: Shapiro 50.9%, Heidelbaugh 46.3% (Shapiro won by 307K votes)

2022 Senator: Fetterman 51.25%, Oz 46.33% (Fetterman won by 263k votes)
2022 Governor: Shapiro 56.49%, Mastriano 41.71% (Shapiro won by 792K votes)

Since Trump won in 2016, no Republican has won a state-wide race in Pennsylvania, NOT EVEN TRUMP. 2016 was the fluke (and Trump only won by 44K). And, both Oz and Mastriano were Trump backed candidates. So Trump lost in 2020 and both of his endorsed candidates lost in 2022.

Pennsylvania may elect some Congressman from the more rural areas, but statewide, Pennsylvanians are not voting for Republicans. It hasn't even been that close


Additionally, with the exception of Trump's win in 2016, A GOP candidate for POTUS has not won since Bush ran in 1988. 36 years.

Trump's win in 2016 was a fluke and it was because Clinton's campaign manager was fooled and allowed Trump to campaign in the rural and suburban areas without countering. The Clinton campaign assumed that Pennsylvania was safely blue and Trump turned it. Clinton canvas teams set up and some voters believed that they didn't have to come out and vote. The Biden campaign didn't let that happen and won by 81K votes. The Harris campaign is not letting that happen either. Harris and Walz have both been campaigning in Pennsylvania. There will not be a repeat of 2016.

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I can’t find that Quinnipiac poll.

That twitter user frequently posts total BS. Use better sources.

BS Twitter account is just using a Trump lead of 48-47 to project that he’ll win the popular vote. And he might if this was the electorate, but it won’t be.
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Anonymous wrote:

Every rando with a Twitter account is suddenly a polling expert.


https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3908

Yeah, it's a stupid take by the X poster. The poll shows that Trump at 48 and Harris at 47 among likely voters and even in a two way race. Also, look at their breakdown of support by age:

Harris-Trump 48% to 45% among 18-34 years old? Really????????
Harris-Trump 47% to 50% among 35-50 years old? Really????????
Harris-Trump 52% to 45% among women Hmmmm....
Harris-Trump 83% to 10% among black Hmmmm....

These look pretty suspect to me.


FWIW Hillary Clinton won female voters by 15 points in 2016.
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Harris-Trump 83% to 10% among black seems about right it will about 88-12%
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I have never heard of this "Christian Crystal Ball" - is this some right wing take on the Sabato Crystal Ball?


From his Twitter profile: "Everyone's favorite Austro-Hungarian • Hoppean • Historian • Anti-Marxist • Counter-Revolutionary • Famous for talking across a table to
@NickJFreitas"

I don't even understand what the he is saying. Per modeling, early voting is breaking 60-40 Democrats, and this is somehow devastating for them?



is he from wish?
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I can’t find that Quinnipiac poll.

That twitter user frequently posts total BS. Use better sources.

BS Twitter account is just using a Trump lead of 48-47 to project that he’ll win the popular vote. And he might if this was the electorate, but it won’t be.


PuriringProgress is also BS. They just made up those percentages in their tweet. Thry have nothing to do with the crosstabs
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