Murder at Lululemon in Bethesda

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the pp and I also wanted to add that I also HAD a brother who went completely off the rails -ultimately leading to his death. There were 3 of us raised in a loving, stable curch attending, private school, home. Two of us are leading normal  lives but my brother was a different matter altogether. Like some of the pps my parents threw good money after bad in an attempt to help him straighten up his life. I'll never forget my parents' words when they found out he had died. My mom's first words were  - "what happened to all my prayers?" and my dad looked at me with the utmost despair and said "so this is how it has ended?". There is  nothing they would not have done for him. 
To all those saying the parents had/have a part to play, I must raise a strong objection.

I am one of the PP's who posted about their brother and I know my parents would react the same way.

I truly feel for both of you and your parents. Senator McGovern's book about his daughter poignantly shares a similar story of parents' pain. If you haven't read it, his daughter Terry, who fought depression and alcoholism, was found frozen to death in a snow bank in Madison, WI, just before Christmas in 1994.

Heartbreaking stories, just heartbreaking. And a lesson for all of us -- this is a parents forum after all.

But for the grace of God . . .

[Anonymous]

Interesting....so she was transferred from Georgetown and not Tyson's. I am not sure it that is correct because a police officer had told one of the business owners in the neighborhood that it was Tyson's. Never the less they transferred her because they thought she may be stealing. They kept her on because she was a good sales person! Yikes! But of course stealing is one thing...murder is another.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe Norwood called Murray's cellphone after she killed her. So maybe they never left the store. She's made up so many lies so what's another one.

Thats what I thought too but the police keep saying that they left and came back so I assume they have some basis for knowing this other than Norwood since at this point we know she is a pathological liar. I still cannot imagine why Jayna went back other then she was just a truly nice person and had no idea that Norwood would freak out. However, the manager that told Jayna they would "deal with it in the morning?" What is wrong with her. They should have called the police! Who knows if it would have changed the circumstances but why would she have said to let it go over night.

[Anonymous]

The article I read stated that Norwood called Jayna and told her she had left her wallet in the store, and asked her to come back and let her in. Definitely ups this to First Degree - total premeditation on Norwood's part. I agree that she's most likely mentally ill - this doesn't make her any less culpable for her crime, but the degree of rage that she demonstrated is astonishing and totally out of proportion to the incident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know about all this talk of management being afraid to fire her....lawsuits or something. At my DH's work (in Maryland) they can fire anyone they want for any reason they choose, and they have. It keeps everyone at his office very nervous. On the other hand, I thought that Virginia was more of a right to work state than MD so they could have fired her in a heartbeat and not lose any sleep over it. Lululemon isn't a unionzed store, so the employees can be fired at will.

Employment at will does not mean that a company is exempt from federal anti-discrimination laws. And your husband's company isn't either, unless it is very very small. That doesn't mean your husband can't be fired on a whim for no good reason, it just means he can't be fired because of his race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, disability status, etc. Employers are often concerned that even if they fire someone for a permissible reason (e.g. suspecting an employee of stealing), the fired employee will allege that they were discriminated against in violation of federal law. These cases are not that easy to prove, but the cost of defending them and the bad PR is often enough to keep a bad employee employed long after they should have been fired.

[Anonymous]

I don't think Norwood is mentally ill. She is a cold, calculating killer. She set-up Jayna to come back to the store. She used the large shoes to track through the blood to make it look like a very, tall man had been in the store. She then carefully cleaned those shoes. She moved Jayna's car because she probably realized that it would look suspicious if it was sitting out in front all night long. She sat in that car for over an hour because she noticed a cop was nearby and she couldn't go back into the store until after he left. She tied herself up and posed herself in the bathroom mirror. And the list goes on and on... Does this sound like someone who is mentally ill? She was certainly lucid enough to think through all of those details.

[Anonymous]

yes, she sounds like a sociopath. not sure if that is mentally ill? knows right from wrong but only feels sorry....for herself.

[Anonymous]

I will have some sympathy for Norwood's family if they come out and apologize to the victim's family and then admit that their daughter/sister/brother is a killer and deserves whatever sentence she gets. Norwood is already claiming that Jayna attacked her first which is sick. If the family supports this kind of BS and puts the victim's family through more gried, then I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:yes, she sounds like a sociopath. not sure if that is mentally ill? knows right from wrong but only feels sorry....for herself.

I'm thinking sociopath too. Those people truly scare me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Norwood is mentally ill. She is a cold, calculating killer. She set-up Jayna to come back to the store. She used the large shoes to track through the blood to make it look like a very, tall man had been in the store. She then carefully cleaned those shoes. She moved Jayna's car because she probably realized that it would look suspicious if it was sitting out in front all night long. She sat in that car for over an hour because she noticed a cop was nearby and she couldn't go back into the store until after he left. She tied herself up and posed herself in the bathroom mirror. And the list goes on and on... Does this sound like someone who is mentally ill? She was certainly lucid enough to think through all of those details.

AGREED!!!

[Anonymous]

Norwood had a history of stealing, according to college friends.

http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thedish/lululemon-murder-suspect-worked-georgetown-store?utm_source=The+Daily+Dish&utm_campaign=13806b665d-RSS_DailyUpdate_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email

[Anonymous]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

How many of these fit Norwood? Even what little bit we know now, seems she's ASPD to me... from DSM-IV:

Signs and symptomsCharacteristics of people with antisocial personality disorder may include:[3]

Apparent lack of remorse[4] or empathy for others
Persistent lying or stealing
Cruelty to animals[5]
Poor behavioral controls — expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper
A history of childhood conduct disorder
Recurring difficulties with the law
Promiscuity
Tendency to violate the boundaries and rights of others
Aggressive, often violent behavior; prone to getting involved in fights
Inability to tolerate boredom
Poor or abusive relationships
Irresponsible work behavior
Disregard for safety
Other common characteristics of those with Antisocial Personality Disorder include superficial charm, shallowed emotions, a distorted sense of self, a constant search for new sensations (which can have bizarre consequences), a tendency to physically or verbally abuse peers or relatives, and manipulation of others without remorse or empathy for the victim. Egocentrism, megalomania, lack of responsibility, extroversion, excessive hedonism, high impulsivity, and the desire to experience sensations of control and power can also be present. This type of disorder does not relate to assaults of panic or to schizophrenia.[citation needed]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will have some sympathy for Norwood's family if they come out and apologize to the victim's family and then admit that their daughter/sister/brother is a killer and deserves whatever sentence she gets. Norwood is already claiming that Jayna attacked her first which is sick. If the family supports this kind of BS and puts the victim's family through more gried, then I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for them.

I lost a little sympathy for her family based on her brother's question, "Why did you fight that girl?" This wasn't simply a fight. The question should have been, "Why did you kill Jayna?", or along those lines. This wasn't just a girl and this wasn't a fight.

[Anonymous]

It seems pretty obvious that she is severly mentally ill. I think some posters who say she isn't because she understands that her actions were wrong are confusing the legal definition of insanity and mental illness. These are two very different things. Sociopaths are mentally ill, but don't necessarily meet the legal 'insanity' definition, which is why many are legitimately convicted.

[Anonymous]

Who knows what else she has done that no one knows about. She borders on ANIMAL! Anyone that can go to the extent that she did has SO much RAGE that this is not a new problem for her. She had an anger issue for a LONG time. She very well could have committed other crimes that no one ever new about! But never the less it has caused her trouble throughout her short life.