Trump wanted to release immigration detainees onto the streets of “sanctuary cities"

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In an April 12 Tweet, the president said, “Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing Illegal Immigrants in Sanctuary Cities only....”

“We hope it is not politically motivated, and they shouldn’t shift a crisis at the border to Palm Beach County,” Bernard said.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-immigrants-coming-south-florida-20190516-kxbobliqnvandgs5sqq7d6m5rm-story.html



This is the crux of every issue with Trump and the Rs. There is no will to work with people. No will to compromise. Don't ask for input, just shove it at them. Last time I checked, these counties were part of America. This is no way to run a business, much less a country.

If the feds do this, they need to send money for every kid in K-12 at a minimum (and plenty of it). Building schools and hiring teachers is expensive. The local taxpayers should not be paying for federal mishaps.

Trump must love giving lawyers more money. He is certainly testing the courts. Let's see how far Bret will go.

Well, at least Trump is transparent in what he wants to do.
Obama just shipped the kids and families around the nation without informing the governors of the states they were sent to.

Source?

DP. He dumped a lot of them in Fairfax County with no notice. All of a sudden, we had all these illegal alien children needing ESOL classes and free lunches, along with additional teachers to carry the load. Since there was no warning, systems were caught off-guard.

+1 million and now Fairfax is moving toward sanctuary county status.

They've been a sanctuary county for years, Herndon a sanctuary city. They just never declared it. Now they are being transparent about it. Trump has certainly showed us the hidden side of liberalism.

Herndon has become a slum. I really feel sorry for the working-class Americans who used to live in the modest apartments along Elden Street. The neighborhood is completely foreign, with adult males hanging out on the corner all day. Thirty years ago, it was a respectable, if poorer, area to live, with children attending decent, if not great, schools. Now the schools are all a 3.

You are a xenophobic MF.

There is nothing xenophobic about up's comment. It is fact.
It has changed dramatically in less than 20 years.

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In an April 12 Tweet, the president said, “Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing Illegal Immigrants in Sanctuary Cities only....”

“We hope it is not politically motivated, and they shouldn’t shift a crisis at the border to Palm Beach County,” Bernard said.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-immigrants-coming-south-florida-20190516-kxbobliqnvandgs5sqq7d6m5rm-story.html



This is the crux of every issue with Trump and the Rs. There is no will to work with people. No will to compromise. Don't ask for input, just shove it at them. Last time I checked, these counties were part of America. This is no way to run a business, much less a country.

If the feds do this, they need to send money for every kid in K-12 at a minimum (and plenty of it). Building schools and hiring teachers is expensive. The local taxpayers should not be paying for federal mishaps.

Trump must love giving lawyers more money. He is certainly testing the courts. Let's see how far Bret will go.

Well, at least Trump is transparent in what he wants to do.
Obama just shipped the kids and families around the nation without informing the governors of the states they were sent to.

Source?

DP. He dumped a lot of them in Fairfax County with no notice. All of a sudden, we had all these illegal alien children needing ESOL classes and free lunches, along with additional teachers to carry the load. Since there was no warning, systems were caught off-guard.

+1 million and now Fairfax is moving toward sanctuary county status.

They've been a sanctuary county for years, Herndon a sanctuary city. They just never declared it. Now they are being transparent about it. Trump has certainly showed us the hidden side of liberalism.

Herndon has become a slum. I really feel sorry for the working-class Americans who used to live in the modest apartments along Elden Street. The neighborhood is completely foreign, with adult males hanging out on the corner all day. Thirty years ago, it was a respectable, if poorer, area to live, with children attending decent, if not great, schools. Now the schools are all a 3.

You are a xenophobic MF.

So pointing out that it is not beneficial to working-class Americans for an entire town to be made up entirely of poor foreigners, many of whom are high school dropouts, here illegally, and getting government help to feed their kids is xenophobic? You liberals need to get a clue. It is fine for self-supporting foreigners to come here LEGALLY, support themselves, and integrate among the existing Americans - but it is a negative for foreigners who cannot even feed their own children (!!) to take over an entire area, lower the caliber of the public schools, and expect American taxpayers to help provide for them.

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In an April 12 Tweet, the president said, “Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing Illegal Immigrants in Sanctuary Cities only....”

“We hope it is not politically motivated, and they shouldn’t shift a crisis at the border to Palm Beach County,” Bernard said.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-immigrants-coming-south-florida-20190516-kxbobliqnvandgs5sqq7d6m5rm-story.html



This is the crux of every issue with Trump and the Rs. There is no will to work with people. No will to compromise. Don't ask for input, just shove it at them. Last time I checked, these counties were part of America. This is no way to run a business, much less a country.

If the feds do this, they need to send money for every kid in K-12 at a minimum (and plenty of it). Building schools and hiring teachers is expensive. The local taxpayers should not be paying for federal mishaps.

Trump must love giving lawyers more money. He is certainly testing the courts. Let's see how far Bret will go.

Well, at least Trump is transparent in what he wants to do.
Obama just shipped the kids and families around the nation without informing the governors of the states they were sent to.

Source?

DP. He dumped a lot of them in Fairfax County with no notice. All of a sudden, we had all these illegal alien children needing ESOL classes and free lunches, along with additional teachers to carry the load. Since there was no warning, systems were caught off-guard.

+1 million and now Fairfax is moving toward sanctuary county status.

YUp. And it costs $15,000 per ESOL student, without any additional federal support. No wonder MACY's asked me to donate money "for the schoolchildren" since the school system is short. I'm already paying more in property taxes than I am in P&I, and now I'm supposed to give even more money because the illegal immigrants need more money to cover their ESOL classes and free lunch?

And don't get me started on these progressive leftist nut cases who are now advocating for health insurance for illegals. I can barely afford my own crappy plan.

Reality check: a lot of school funding comes from property taxes, and those are also paid from rental properties, and that the families of those ESOL kids are renting, and are ineligible for federal rent subsidies. Those families work for a living and to pay their rent. So stop pretending it's all a free ride on your back.

First, whoever said these ESOL families are eligible for rent subsidies? They are, however, getting free breakfasts and lunches, along with ESOL classes, and causing an overall need for more teachers. The cost PER ESOL KID PER YEAR is $15,000. Are you trying to claim that these impoverished families not even able to afford their kid's lunch is paying $15,000 a year property tax? They are bunched up 10 and 12 people to an apartment that rents for maybe $1000 a month at most, with the "pass-through" property tax being, at most, $2,000 per apartment annually. In the meantime, there are six kids all getting educated for free. So....do the math: Six kids x $15,000 is $90,000 (!!!) a year, and for that, they're pitching in $2,000 in property taxes.

OF COURSE they are getting a free ride on the backs of American taxpayers. This liberal nonsense about how illegal aliens "pay their keep" via sales tax and whatnot is not convincing anyone other than gullible liberals. If illegal aliens are not a financial drain, why the uproar from liberals about Trump's plan to move them to the sanctuary cities they support, where the liberals will protect their interests?

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This reeks of NIMBY. The left talks a good game until they have to pony up... brilliant of 45 imho.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

In an April 12 Tweet, the president said, “Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing Illegal Immigrants in Sanctuary Cities only....”

“We hope it is not politically motivated, and they shouldn’t shift a crisis at the border to Palm Beach County,” Bernard said.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-immigrants-coming-south-florida-20190516-kxbobliqnvandgs5sqq7d6m5rm-story.html



This is the crux of every issue with Trump and the Rs. There is no will to work with people. No will to compromise. Don't ask for input, just shove it at them. Last time I checked, these counties were part of America. This is no way to run a business, much less a country.

If the feds do this, they need to send money for every kid in K-12 at a minimum (and plenty of it). Building schools and hiring teachers is expensive. The local taxpayers should not be paying for federal mishaps.

Trump must love giving lawyers more money. He is certainly testing the courts. Let's see how far Bret will go.

Well, at least Trump is transparent in what he wants to do.
Obama just shipped the kids and families around the nation without informing the governors of the states they were sent to.

Source?

DP. He dumped a lot of them in Fairfax County with no notice. All of a sudden, we had all these illegal alien children needing ESOL classes and free lunches, along with additional teachers to carry the load. Since there was no warning, systems were caught off-guard.

I asked for a source, not your anecdotal perception.

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Herndon was not some wonderland twenty years ago.

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Yes, this is the problem, neighbors living right next to a public school in SFHs cannot send their kids there because it is overrun by kids who make the school 3/10.
I have first hand stories about non Spanish speaking kids being 1-2 per classroom and being left out of recess play and/or bullied. I have stories of lunch theft and snack theft.
I have stories of harsh discipline methods because the teacher is just stretched thin. And if you think middle class kids are exempt you are wrong. Nobody has the time or energy to work on social emotional development of your child. They need to have a semblance of order to be able to drill the basics.
I have seen/heard things first hand (my kid was at a similar school) and through a good friend who was teaching in a school like that. I was lucky to have been able to pull out my kid. Until I compared to a normal middle class school I had no idea.

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DP. He dumped a lot of them in Fairfax County with no notice. All of a sudden, we had all these illegal alien children needing ESOL classes and free lunches, along with additional teachers to carry the load. Since there was no warning, systems were caught off-guard.


I asked for a source, not your anecdotal perception.

Not either of these PPs. i think you are going to have a hard time getting this information--but first PP is correct. When Obama issued DACA, there was a huge influx into Fairfax County schools of unaccompanied minors. This last year there has been a significant increase to the schools from ESOL kids. If you think they are all arriving on visas, you are mistaken. Talk to some of the ESOL teachers in Fairfax. Anecdotal is probably all you are going to get because the school system likely does not know who is documented or not.

I posted earlier that a heavily Hispanic elementary school has had an increase of 39 kids since the beginning of the year. 23 since January. That is not normal. This is a school that is almost entirely free lunch. This data can be found on the FCPS website if you go to the school profiles.

[Anonymous]

All 50 states plus USA supported territories should receive unauthorized immigrants imho. We can't just burden some states. Spread them out, even here in the DMV.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

In an April 12 Tweet, the president said, “Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing Illegal Immigrants in Sanctuary Cities only....”

“We hope it is not politically motivated, and they shouldn’t shift a crisis at the border to Palm Beach County,” Bernard said.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-immigrants-coming-south-florida-20190516-kxbobliqnvandgs5sqq7d6m5rm-story.html



This is the crux of every issue with Trump and the Rs. There is no will to work with people. No will to compromise. Don't ask for input, just shove it at them. Last time I checked, these counties were part of America. This is no way to run a business, much less a country.

If the feds do this, they need to send money for every kid in K-12 at a minimum (and plenty of it). Building schools and hiring teachers is expensive. The local taxpayers should not be paying for federal mishaps.

Trump must love giving lawyers more money. He is certainly testing the courts. Let's see how far Bret will go.

Well, at least Trump is transparent in what he wants to do.
Obama just shipped the kids and families around the nation without informing the governors of the states they were sent to.

Source?

DP. He dumped a lot of them in Fairfax County with no notice. All of a sudden, we had all these illegal alien children needing ESOL classes and free lunches, along with additional teachers to carry the load. Since there was no warning, systems were caught off-guard.

+1 million and now Fairfax is moving toward sanctuary county status.

YUp. And it costs $15,000 per ESOL student, without any additional federal support. No wonder MACY's asked me to donate money "for the schoolchildren" since the school system is short. I'm already paying more in property taxes than I am in P&I, and now I'm supposed to give even more money because the illegal immigrants need more money to cover their ESOL classes and free lunch?

And don't get me started on these progressive leftist nut cases who are now advocating for health insurance for illegals. I can barely afford my own crappy plan.

Reality check: a lot of school funding comes from property taxes, and those are also paid from rental properties, and that the families of those ESOL kids are renting, and are ineligible for federal rent subsidies. Those families work for a living and to pay their rent. So stop pretending it's all a free ride on your back.

First, whoever said these ESOL families are eligible for rent subsidies? They are, however, getting free breakfasts and lunches, along with ESOL classes, and causing an overall need for more teachers. The cost PER ESOL KID PER YEAR is $15,000. Are you trying to claim that these impoverished families not even able to afford their kid's lunch is paying $15,000 a year property tax? They are bunched up 10 and 12 people to an apartment that rents for maybe $1000 a month at most, with the "pass-through" property tax being, at most, $2,000 per apartment annually. In the meantime, there are six kids all getting educated for free. So....do the math: Six kids x $15,000 is $90,000 (!!!) a year, and for that, they're pitching in $2,000 in property taxes.

OF COURSE they are getting a free ride on the backs of American taxpayers. This liberal nonsense about how illegal aliens "pay their keep" via sales tax and whatnot is not convincing anyone other than gullible liberals. If illegal aliens are not a financial drain, why the uproar from liberals about Trump's plan to move them to the sanctuary cities they support, where the liberals will protect their interests?

Again it's not a "free ride." Sounds like poor planning in your community instead of screaming at the rest of us, jack up property taxes on renters. And by the way you also realize that the folks paying more in property taxes are also subsidizing the US citizens who don't pay as much?

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Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

You do you; I'll do me.

Healthcare, in particular, is an immigration issue. Don't be fooled. If you think illegal immigration doesn't affect the issues you mentioned above, you're fooling yourself. Just watch your premiums grow b/c of free visits to the ER. WE end up paying.

The costs of immigrants in our system are relatively small but more importantly, healthcare is NOT an immigration issue. It’s a systemic issue that is driven by a for profit motive of our health care system. Premiums aren’t ramping up because of immigrants, FFS.

Do you actually believe the crap you’re spewing?

yes they do believe in the stuff he/she is spewing because the cult members are conned to believe that all their issue is due to immigration and not because their party stops them from getting education, healthcare and other benefits and gives that to the rich as tax cuts.

+1

The “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the fearful, xenophobic morons.

Facts are your friend.

Instead of attacking, do some basic research. I did.

0.5% of US healthcare costs.

Just like I said: “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the morons.

Ahem.

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DP. He dumped a lot of them in Fairfax County with no notice. All of a sudden, we had all these illegal alien children needing ESOL classes and free lunches, along with additional teachers to carry the load. Since there was no warning, systems were caught off-guard.


I asked for a source, not your anecdotal perception.

Not either of these PPs. i think you are going to have a hard time getting this information--but first PP is correct. When Obama issued DACA, there was a huge influx into Fairfax County schools of unaccompanied minors. This last year there has been a significant increase to the schools from ESOL kids. If you think they are all arriving on visas, you are mistaken. Talk to some of the ESOL teachers in Fairfax. Anecdotal is probably all you are going to get because the school system likely does not know who is documented or not.

I posted earlier that a heavily Hispanic elementary school has had an increase of 39 kids since the beginning of the year. 23 since January. That is not normal. This is a school that is almost entirely free lunch. This data can be found on the FCPS website if you go to the school profiles.

That doesn't mean Obama "dumped" them in Fairfax county. And, how would DACA correspond to a huge influx of unaccompanied minors needing ESOL classes?

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Anonymous wrote:

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Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

You do you; I'll do me.

Healthcare, in particular, is an immigration issue. Don't be fooled. If you think illegal immigration doesn't affect the issues you mentioned above, you're fooling yourself. Just watch your premiums grow b/c of free visits to the ER. WE end up paying.

The costs of immigrants in our system are relatively small but more importantly, healthcare is NOT an immigration issue. It’s a systemic issue that is driven by a for profit motive of our health care system. Premiums aren’t ramping up because of immigrants, FFS.

Do you actually believe the crap you’re spewing?

yes they do believe in the stuff he/she is spewing because the cult members are conned to believe that all their issue is due to immigration and not because their party stops them from getting education, healthcare and other benefits and gives that to the rich as tax cuts.

+1

The “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the fearful, xenophobic morons.

Facts are your friend.

Instead of attacking, do some basic research. I did.

0.5% of US healthcare costs.

Just like I said: “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the morons.

Ahem.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#7b2d45ca12c4

Is $18.5 billion pennies?

How American Citizens Finance $18.5 Billion In Health Care For Unauthorized Immigrants

You can read. It's a legit source from Forbes.

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Anonymous wrote:All 50 states plus USA supported territories should receive unauthorized immigrants imho. We can't just burden some states. Spread them out, even here in the DMV.

Is there some distinction between "unauthorized" and "illegal" immigrants?

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Anonymous wrote:All 50 states plus USA supported territories should receive unauthorized immigrants imho. We can't just burden some states. Spread them out, even here in the DMV.

Is there some distinction between "unauthorized" and "illegal" immigrants?

PC language at work