Does Georgetown want DMV students?

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Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

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Anonymous wrote:This is OP and my DD wants a smaller school that is not so Greek and southern-feeling and she thinks she’d like to go to a school where most kids aren’t from VA. She’s not insulting UVA, which is great for people who want that type of school. Plus, isn’t UVA super hard to get into from NOVA anyway?

It is. It is literally (a large part of) why people go to TJ, to go to UVA.

I don't think that is true. Fewer have been going. More have been going OOS to good STEM programs.

I mean why would somebody bust their butt at TJ just to go to UVA when all you need is. 3.4 and no d’s or f’s at a junior college for guaranteed admission? It’s a sign of lack of common sense if you are that mixed up.

Thought it was a 3.5.

It’s a 3.5 average GPA. But that is a college GPA, not the inflated 4.49 high school GPA that is the needed 75th percentile to get into UVA. 3,800 applied to transfer in 2019. Only 1,000+ got in (about a 30% return) and usually 600 show up. That 3.5 (higher if applying from a NoVA community college) has to be in specified core subjects. It’s not easy. That’s one of the reasons why so many community college students drop out. So you are still seeing the cream of the crop coming into UVA junior year. I think it’s a wonderful program offered to Virginians. It allows many low income families an opportunity to get their kids into the state flagship in an economical way. Many if these students are URM, first generation, low-income, etc., which is why we need this program.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing.

Hopkins and Georgetown are ranked ahead of UVA in US news. UMD is ranked ahead of UVA in every difficult major, every world university ranking, dominates in research spending and has more national championships, Nobel/Emmy/academy award/Pulitzer/fields medal alumni than all Virginia schools put together. USNA is so much more important than UVA that it’s pitiful.
The North side of the river is dominant in higher education.

Georgetown is ranked 23. UVA is ranked 26. UMD is ranked 58. UVA's rank is the same as Carnegie Mellon's. UMD's is the same as Syracuse's. UVA"s reputation ranking by US News is 18th, tied with Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Carnegie Mellon and Rice and ahead of Georgetown, UCLA and Wash U. UMD is 43rd in this ranking, tied with UC-Irvine and Case Western.

Says it all.

UMD is ranked in the 50's for world reputation rankings (both USNews and ARWU) while UVA is >100 for both (ranked "150-200" by ARWU).

Based entirely on research output. Has nothing to do with undergraduate reputation and little to do with US reputation.

1. Research output is entirely why schools like MIT, Harvard, Caltech, Stanford et. al. and routinely considered among the best. To argue research has nothing to do with undergraduate reputation is utterly ignorant.

2. The USNews global rankings is based on world reputation, not research output. Meaning they surveyed academics from across the world. Which is much better than what the USNews Reputation Ranking does, surveying American high school counselors (lmao)

The University of Washington has higher research output than MIT, Harvard, Caltech, or Stanford. Does your theory hold up there?

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

I agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing.

Hopkins and Georgetown are ranked ahead of UVA in US news. UMD is ranked ahead of UVA in every difficult major, every world university ranking, dominates in research spending and has more national championships, Nobel/Emmy/academy award/Pulitzer/fields medal alumni than all Virginia schools put together. USNA is so much more important than UVA that it’s pitiful.
The North side of the river is dominant in higher education.

Georgetown is ranked 23. UVA is ranked 26. UMD is ranked 58. UVA's rank is the same as Carnegie Mellon's. UMD's is the same as Syracuse's. UVA"s reputation ranking by US News is 18th, tied with Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Carnegie Mellon and Rice and ahead of Georgetown, UCLA and Wash U. UMD is 43rd in this ranking, tied with UC-Irvine and Case Western.

Says it all.

UMD is ranked in the 50's for world reputation rankings (both USNews and ARWU) while UVA is >100 for both (ranked "150-200" by ARWU).

Based entirely on research output. Has nothing to do with undergraduate reputation and little to do with US reputation.

1. Research output is entirely why schools like MIT, Harvard, Caltech, Stanford et. al. and routinely considered among the best. To argue research has nothing to do with undergraduate reputation is utterly ignorant.

2. The USNews global rankings is based on world reputation, not research output. Meaning they surveyed academics from across the world. Which is much better than what the USNews Reputation Ranking does, surveying American high school counselors (lmao)

The University of Washington has higher research output than MIT, Harvard, Caltech, or Stanford. Does your theory hold up there?

And where is Hopkins?

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

The University of Alabama is better known than either. What is Georgetown known for? Being in Washington and SFS? It isn't "known" in the same way Harvard is known.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

If Georgetown is better known nationally it's mainly because of basketball. If you're an employer who cares about schools, though (and many don't), you're going to respect William & Mary. Same goes for grad schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

DP. Maybe, but that would be due to what? Nearly faded memories of the long ago basketball teams’ success? Catholics’ knowledge of Georgetown? I mean, if you’re in nova, there needs to be a pretty damn compelling reason to turn down UVA or William & Mary for Georgetown—and pay all that extra money. Maybe the foreign service school would be a reason, but I’m not sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

The University of Alabama is better known than either. What is Georgetown known for? Being in Washington and SFS? It isn't "known" in the same way Harvard is known.

St. Elmo’s Fire was long, long time ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

The University of Alabama is better known than either. What is Georgetown known for? Being in Washington and SFS? It isn't "known" in the same way Harvard is known.

Have you just come out of the idiot factory? Nobody is talking about which school is the best known for whatever reason. We're talking about which schools have prestige attached to their degree in environments (grad school, employers, etc) where prestige matters.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

The University of Alabama is better known than either. What is Georgetown known for? Being in Washington and SFS? It isn't "known" in the same way Harvard is known.

Have you just come out of the idiot factory? Nobody is talking about which school is the best known for whatever reason. We're talking about which schools have prestige attached to their degree in environments (grad school, employers, etc) where prestige matters.

What, are you Brick from Anchorman? That is one of the worst attempts at an insulting retort ever!

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

The University of Alabama is better known than either. What is Georgetown known for? Being in Washington and SFS? It isn't "known" in the same way Harvard is known.

St. Elmo’s Fire was long, long time ago.

I’ve worked with some W&M alums @ a fortune 50 company and in west coast tech. The W&M people all feel like no one knows their school and have to explain where it is. Georgetown is recognized and on campus job recruiting is great. Students can stack lots of internships because they aren5 limited to just doing them in summer

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

The University of Alabama is better known than either. What is Georgetown known for? Being in Washington and SFS? It isn't "known" in the same way Harvard is known.

St. Elmo’s Fire was long, long time ago.

I’ve worked with some W&M alums @ a fortune 50 company and in west coast tech. The W&M people all feel like no one knows their school and have to explain where it is. Georgetown is recognized and on campus job recruiting is great. Students can stack lots of internships because they aren5 limited to just doing them in summer

Not sure why you’re grinding that axe.

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Anonymous wrote:This is OP and my DD wants a smaller school that is not so Greek and southern-feeling and she thinks she’d like to go to a school where most kids aren’t from VA. She’s not insulting UVA, which is great for people who want that type of school. Plus, isn’t UVA super hard to get into from NOVA anyway?

It is. It is literally (a large part of) why people go to TJ, to go to UVA.

I don't think that is true. Fewer have been going. More have been going OOS to good STEM programs.

I mean why would somebody bust their butt at TJ just to go to UVA when all you need is. 3.4 and no d’s or f’s at a junior college for guaranteed admission? It’s a sign of lack of common sense if you are that mixed up.

Thought it was a 3.5.

It’s a 3.5 average GPA. But that is a college GPA, not the inflated 4.49 high school GPA that is the needed 75th percentile to get into UVA. 3,800 applied to transfer in 2019. Only 1,000+ got in (about a 30% return) and usually 600 show up. That 3.5 (higher if applying from a NoVA community college) has to be in specified core subjects. It’s not easy. That’s one of the reasons why so many community college students drop out. So you are still seeing the cream of the crop coming into UVA junior year. I think it’s a wonderful program offered to Virginians. It allows many low income families an opportunity to get their kids into the state flagship in an economical way. Many if these students are URM, first generation, low-income, etc., which is why we need this program.

I support the program, but its 3.4, not 3.5.
And I didn't realize there was a higher GPA requirement for NoVA? Frankly I wouldn't be surprised. Getting into UVA from RoVA only requires a pulse, and that's why the quality of the student body will simply be too low with 66% in-state.