Does Georgetown want DMV students?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

Or internationally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

The University of Alabama is better known than either. What is Georgetown known for? Being in Washington and SFS? It isn't "known" in the same way Harvard is known.

Recognition implies a level of prestige though.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

Or internationally.

Just stop. Neither is well known internationally, and nobody cares anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing.

Hopkins and Georgetown are ranked ahead of UVA in US news. UMD is ranked ahead of UVA in every difficult major, every world university ranking, dominates in research spending and has more national championships, Nobel/Emmy/academy award/Pulitzer/fields medal alumni than all Virginia schools put together. USNA is so much more important than UVA that it’s pitiful.
The North side of the river is dominant in higher education.

Georgetown is ranked 23. UVA is ranked 26. UMD is ranked 58. UVA's rank is the same as Carnegie Mellon's. UMD's is the same as Syracuse's. UVA"s reputation ranking by US News is 18th, tied with Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Carnegie Mellon and Rice and ahead of Georgetown, UCLA and Wash U. UMD is 43rd in this ranking, tied with UC-Irvine and Case Western.

Says it all.

UMD is ranked in the 50's for world reputation rankings (both USNews and ARWU) while UVA is >100 for both (ranked "150-200" by ARWU).

Based entirely on research output. Has nothing to do with undergraduate reputation and little to do with US reputation.

1. Research output is entirely why schools like MIT, Harvard, Caltech, Stanford et. al. and routinely considered among the best. To argue research has nothing to do with undergraduate reputation is utterly ignorant.

2. The USNews global rankings is based on world reputation, not research output. Meaning they surveyed academics from across the world. Which is much better than what the USNews Reputation Ranking does, surveying American high school counselors (lmao)

The University of Washington has higher research output than MIT, Harvard, Caltech, or Stanford. Does your theory hold up there?

Yes, University of Washington is well-recognized for being a great university. But I find it interesting how you point out one supposed discrepancy but not the rest of the list, which matches extremely well with academic prestige of the university among industry and graduate schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

DP. Maybe, but that would be due to what? Nearly faded memories of the long ago basketball teams’ success? Catholics’ knowledge of Georgetown? I mean, if you’re in nova, there needs to be a pretty damn compelling reason to turn down UVA or William & Mary for Georgetown—and pay all that extra money. Maybe the foreign service school would be a reason, but I’m not sure.

What part of location, non-Greek, much smaller, non-parochial, world-wide reputation due to being a common alma mater for diplomats and high officials in foreign governments, is it hard to understand?

Why would anyone choose to live in Williamsburg, when they could live in Georgetown?

And people who acknowledge the school's prestige don't do so because of its NCAA basketball. If anything among lay people its well known for being Clinton's undergraduate alma mater.

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Please stop treating all Ivy' s the same. Cornell, Brown , and Dartmouth will not confer much better outcomes than Georgetown, Vandy etc. There was a thread about feeder schools into top med and law schools and the lesser ivys did no better than the "other general elite" privates.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line. There's the Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago and maybe -- maybe -- Duke and Northwestern. After that there are about 15 or 20 big schools where going to one is just as good as going to another. Included among these schools are a half-dozen state schools: Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC and William & Mary. Georgetown is one of these. So if you're living in NOVA, why in the world would you pay more than double for Georgetown? If you want to go into business or engineering, obviously UVA is better, and if you want to major in the humanities or social sciences and go to grad or law school no school you apply to is going to think either school is any better than the other. Georgetown's only standout is its school of foreign service, but that's a niche program.

You are high if you think Georgetown and W&M have the same recognition nationally

DP. Maybe, but that would be due to what? Nearly faded memories of the long ago basketball teams’ success? Catholics’ knowledge of Georgetown? I mean, if you’re in nova, there needs to be a pretty damn compelling reason to turn down UVA or William & Mary for Georgetown—and pay all that extra money. Maybe the foreign service school would be a reason, but I’m not sure.

What part of location, non-Greek, much smaller, non-parochial, world-wide reputation due to being a common alma mater for diplomats and high officials in foreign governments, is it hard to understand?

Why would anyone choose to live in Williamsburg, when they could live in Georgetown?

And people who acknowledge the school's prestige don't do so because of its NCAA basketball. If anything among lay people its well known for being Clinton's undergraduate alma mater.

Wow. You are really inflating Georgetown's international prestige. Fine. Whatever. I'll give it that to you. But being the "alma mater for diplomats and high officials in foreign governments" doesn't really mean much to an American high school student comparing colleges -- or to an American grad school or employer.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing.

Hopkins and Georgetown are ranked ahead of UVA in US news. UMD is ranked ahead of UVA in every difficult major, every world university ranking, dominates in research spending and has more national championships, Nobel/Emmy/academy award/Pulitzer/fields medal alumni than all Virginia schools put together. USNA is so much more important than UVA that it’s pitiful.
The North side of the river is dominant in higher education.

Georgetown is ranked 23. UVA is ranked 26. UMD is ranked 58. UVA's rank is the same as Carnegie Mellon's. UMD's is the same as Syracuse's. UVA"s reputation ranking by US News is 18th, tied with Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Carnegie Mellon and Rice and ahead of Georgetown, UCLA and Wash U. UMD is 43rd in this ranking, tied with UC-Irvine and Case Western.

Says it all.

UMD is ranked in the 50's for world reputation rankings (both USNews and ARWU) while UVA is >100 for both (ranked "150-200" by ARWU).

Based entirely on research output. Has nothing to do with undergraduate reputation and little to do with US reputation.

1. Research output is entirely why schools like MIT, Harvard, Caltech, Stanford et. al. and routinely considered among the best. To argue research has nothing to do with undergraduate reputation is utterly ignorant.

2. The USNews global rankings is based on world reputation, not research output. Meaning they surveyed academics from across the world. Which is much better than what the USNews Reputation Ranking does, surveying American high school counselors (lmao)

The University of Washington has higher research output than MIT, Harvard, Caltech, or Stanford. Does your theory hold up there?

Yes, University of Washington is well-recognized for being a great university. But I find it interesting how you point out one supposed discrepancy but not the rest of the list, which matches extremely well with academic prestige of the university among industry and graduate schools.

Does it? Is Johns Hopkins the most prestigious U.S. university? Or does it happen to have a large government facility located in Laurel Maryland associated with it for reporting purposes? Is Michigan the second most prestigious U.S. university or is it just really big and have a huge focus on research? Are 17 schools more important than MIT or do they just happen to have medical schools/medical centers attached to them while MIT does not? Likewise, are 67 schools more prestigious and influential than Princeton or again, are they ranked higher solely because almost all of them have medical schools/medical centers attached to them while Princeton does not?

[Anonymous]

This thread certainly devolved. That said, a teacher friend of mine in Virginia mentioned once that her (at a very good public school) students had a really hard time getting in to Georgetown. She said that the outcomes were sometimes quite strange to in terms of cross-admits. Perhaps it’s the premium placed on Catholic or Jesuit school students? Regardless, I think there’s something behind the notion that they don’t really seek out DMV kids.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread certainly devolved. That said, a teacher friend of mine in Virginia mentioned once that her (at a very good public school) students had a really hard time getting in to Georgetown. She said that the outcomes were sometimes quite strange to in terms of cross-admits. Perhaps it’s the premium placed on Catholic or Jesuit school students? Regardless, I think there’s something behind the notion that they don’t really seek out DMV kids.

They don't actively seek out Nova kids because they would have to throw aid at them to get them to attend Georgetown rather than UVA or William & Mary.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread certainly devolved. That said, a teacher friend of mine in Virginia mentioned once that her (at a very good public school) students had a really hard time getting in to Georgetown. She said that the outcomes were sometimes quite strange to in terms of cross-admits. Perhaps it’s the premium placed on Catholic or Jesuit school students? Regardless, I think there’s something behind the notion that they don’t really seek out DMV kids.

Georgetown is very hard to get into no matter where you're from.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown, UMD, USNA and Hopkins are all light years more important to the United States and the world than UVA.

As graduate institutions, yes. A different calculus for undergrad, and they are all good in different areas and ways for that.

—Virginia resident who went to JHU for a PhD and taught at Georgetown

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread certainly devolved. That said, a teacher friend of mine in Virginia mentioned once that her (at a very good public school) students had a really hard time getting in to Georgetown. She said that the outcomes were sometimes quite strange to in terms of cross-admits. Perhaps it’s the premium placed on Catholic or Jesuit school students? Regardless, I think there’s something behind the notion that they don’t really seek out DMV kids.

They don't actively seek out Nova kids because they would have to throw aid at them to get them to attend Georgetown rather than UVA or William & Mary.

UVA and Georgetown are both need-blind, meet-full-need. For low-income families, it’s like a wash, as the EFC is unlikely to come close even to UVA in-state tuition; for middle-class and higher income families, UVA’s lower in-state cost would obviously be a factor.

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Is the above discussion for the DMV area? I've lived in several major cities and I have to say that Georgetown is known by the most people. They might have heard of UVA. Might. William and Mary would need some explaining. Maryland is seen as just another large state school such as is found in every state.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the above discussion for the DMV area? I've lived in several major cities and I have to say that Georgetown is known by the most people. They might have heard of UVA. Might. William and Mary would need some explaining. Maryland is seen as just another large state school such as is found in every state.

Just stop it. It's the University of Virginia. They may not know of its academic reputation, but they know the damn school. It won the NCAA basketball championship just a couple years ago. Nearly 50,000 students applied to UVA this year, the vast majority from out of state. If you truly lived in a "major" city -- NYC, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, Houston, you name it -- people know the damned school.