1/4 of US Women may quit their jobs

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Anonymous wrote:School isn't child care. They need to get child care. We don't need to open schools. You want to open schools but we cannot do that safely right now. Grow up and take care of your kids and stop expecting others to.

FALSE. Much evidence to the contrary.

Which part is "FALSE"? Use you words.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a SAHM, these articles about women quitting all seem pretty obvious to me. Yes, a few of you managed to marry a fully “woke” equal partner who will do 50% or more of the “mental load” in addition to housework and child rearing, but I learned pretty quickly I did not marry such a man.

And I’ll be damned if I’m going to carry the whole mental load, run the house, care for the kids AND work a full time job. I’m not a martyr.

Of my 20 closest friends, all but one are married to men who do 50%. That one is a SAHM and the rest of us work. It's not just "a few" women who "managed" to marry "woke" men. You married a child, that was your choice.

Ding ding ding! My ratio is not quite as good as yours, but I have plenty of friends and family where both spouses pitch in roughly equally. It’s the men-children who are the outliers, and should be eliminated in the next generation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I gave notice and will be quitting this month. My children need me. It sucks to be part of that statistic, but my boss (who has small children) heaped piles upon piles of work on me and didn’t understand why I wasn’t happy about working 60+ hours per week during a pandemic and DL. If I had a more flexible and understanding job, I’d try to work through this. But here we are.

Women need to stop doing stuff like this if we ever want to achieve equality.

Women need to stop quitting terrible jobs?

Women need to stop quitting their job to provide unpaid labor for men.

We need to change the system so this doesn't need to happen. The problem is the system. Let's not blame a woman for making s decision that makes sense for her - it creates a vicious cycle and focuses the blame in the wrong place.

I disagree. I think one of the main issues is that women willingly provide so much unpaid labor. I always was under the impression that women are victimized by men. The older I get, the more I see how women contribute to the problem.

An entire wsj section today about how women are hurt professionally by covid. Really?? Where are their husbands? Why are women assuming this responsibility?

I agree that women let men get off Scott free often but blaming the women for that doesn’t help.

I am 10 years younger than DH. While he makes more than I do, my earning potential is greater. It is easier for us as he has a very flexible job, so our solution is that I work hard while he tread water. But we have that luxury and a big cushion.

Women who could be stars in 5 years are getting wiped out by covid and our regressive president. Vote to express your thoughts about how the future should be. I am taking my moonshot- I want to see on my deathbed that my career saved lives.other moms should have that privilege (and responsibility). Yes men can have it too but that will happen any ways. Moms out there, don’t give up. How can we help you?

You can help me by being willing to hire me if I have 10 years’ more experience than the 30 yo you hired instead, and by not saying my 6 month resume gap meant I “lacked recent experience” and “wasn’t current”. You could help by not judging me so harshly when that became a 3-year gap, and not seeing it as a betrayal of working women everywhere. Plenty of us SAHMs never planned to be a SAHM, but one job loss and a million biased men and women on hiring committees have decided that we’re some kind of lesser species to be avoided and/or shamed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I gave notice and will be quitting this month. My children need me. It sucks to be part of that statistic, but my boss (who has small children) heaped piles upon piles of work on me and didn’t understand why I wasn’t happy about working 60+ hours per week during a pandemic and DL. If I had a more flexible and understanding job, I’d try to work through this. But here we are.

Women need to stop doing stuff like this if we ever want to achieve equality.

I almost had a similar situation. Supervisors refused to work with me even on an alternate schedule. I hardly ever have to attend meetings and they still insisted on the traditional 9-5 schedule. Then FFCRA was offered. We went back and forth and the only reason I finally received some accommodation was because I threatened legal action. It was fight them for some allowances offered by law, or quit. I wasn't asking for ten weeks off at full pay.

Now I'm a pariah, but what choice did I have? Quit and have no job options in a year other than the mall?

[Anonymous]

My husband quit his job. He makes significantly less than I do and the his boss was unyielding in her demands for constant face time and zoom calls.

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Anonymous wrote:I gave notice and will be quitting this month. My children need me. It sucks to be part of that statistic, but my boss (who has small children) heaped piles upon piles of work on me and didn’t understand why I wasn’t happy about working 60+ hours per week during a pandemic and DL. If I had a more flexible and understanding job, I’d try to work through this. But here we are.

Women need to stop doing stuff like this if we ever want to achieve equality.

Women need to stop quitting terrible jobs?

Women need to stop quitting their job to provide unpaid labor for men.

We need to change the system so this doesn't need to happen. The problem is the system. Let's not blame a woman for making s decision that makes sense for her - it creates a vicious cycle and focuses the blame in the wrong place.

I disagree. I think one of the main issues is that women willingly provide so much unpaid labor. I always was under the impression that women are victimized by men. The older I get, the more I see how women contribute to the problem.

An entire wsj section today about how women are hurt professionally by covid. Really?? Where are their husbands? Why are women assuming this responsibility?

I agree that women let men get off Scott free often but blaming the women for that doesn’t help.

I am 10 years younger than DH. While he makes more than I do, my earning potential is greater. It is easier for us as he has a very flexible job, so our solution is that I work hard while he tread water. But we have that luxury and a big cushion.

Women who could be stars in 5 years are getting wiped out by covid and our regressive president. Vote to express your thoughts about how the future should be. I am taking my moonshot- I want to see on my deathbed that my career saved lives.other moms should have that privilege (and responsibility). Yes men can have it too but that will happen any ways. Moms out there, don’t give up. How can we help you?

You can help me by being willing to hire me if I have 10 years’ more experience than the 30 yo you hired instead, and by not saying my 6 month resume gap meant I “lacked recent experience” and “wasn’t current”. You could help by not judging me so harshly when that became a 3-year gap, and not seeing it as a betrayal of working women everywhere. Plenty of us SAHMs never planned to be a SAHM, but one job loss and a million biased men and women on hiring committees have decided that we’re some kind of lesser species to be avoided and/or shamed.

This! If you want to help women remain in the workforce, hire us! Don’t penalize us for things outside of our control, and welcome us back in. We want to work!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's ok. We can outsource these jobs abroad.

Lol exactly. Soon enough, bc WFH and zoom have become normalized, many people’s jobs will be outsourced anyway..and then automation will cause more job losses. Many of you scolds lecturing others for enabling men, betraying women everywhere, etc. will be out of a job whether you like it or not. Stop blaming other women and recognize that there are bigger things going on in the world that are shaping our lives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's ok. We can outsource these jobs abroad.

Lol exactly. Soon enough, bc WFH and zoom have become normalized, many people’s jobs will be outsourced anyway..and then automation will cause more job losses. Many of you scolds lecturing others for enabling men, betraying women everywhere, etc. will be out of a job whether you like it or not. Stop blaming other women and recognize that there are bigger things going on in the world that are shaping our lives.

Wages have dramatically increased overseas. Automation may very well decrease employment, but I’m not worried about outsourcing.

[Anonymous]

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You can help me by being willing to hire me if I have 10 years’ more experience than the 30 yo you hired instead, and by not saying my 6 month resume gap meant I “lacked recent experience” and “wasn’t current”. You could help by not judging me so harshly when that became a 3-year gap, and not seeing it as a betrayal of working women everywhere. Plenty of us SAHMs never planned to be a SAHM, but one job loss and a million biased men and women on hiring committees have decided that we’re some kind of lesser species to be avoided and/or shamed.

+1000 Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:I gave notice and will be quitting this month. My children need me. It sucks to be part of that statistic, but my boss (who has small children) heaped piles upon piles of work on me and didn’t understand why I wasn’t happy about working 60+ hours per week during a pandemic and DL. If I had a more flexible and understanding job, I’d try to work through this. But here we are.

Women need to stop doing stuff like this if we ever want to achieve equality.

Women need to stop quitting terrible jobs?

Women need to stop quitting their job to provide unpaid labor for men.

We need to change the system so this doesn't need to happen. The problem is the system. Let's not blame a woman for making s decision that makes sense for her - it creates a vicious cycle and focuses the blame in the wrong place.

I disagree. I think one of the main issues is that women willingly provide so much unpaid labor. I always was under the impression that women are victimized by men. The older I get, the more I see how women contribute to the problem.

An entire wsj section today about how women are hurt professionally by covid. Really?? Where are their husbands? Why are women assuming this responsibility?

I agree that women let men get off Scott free often but blaming the women for that doesn’t help.

I am 10 years younger than DH. While he makes more than I do, my earning potential is greater. It is easier for us as he has a very flexible job, so our solution is that I work hard while he tread water. But we have that luxury and a big cushion.

Women who could be stars in 5 years are getting wiped out by covid and our regressive president. Vote to express your thoughts about how the future should be. I am taking my moonshot- I want to see on my deathbed that my career saved lives.other moms should have that privilege (and responsibility). Yes men can have it too but that will happen any ways. Moms out there, don’t give up. How can we help you?

You can help me by being willing to hire me if I have 10 years’ more experience than the 30 yo you hired instead, and by not saying my 6 month resume gap meant I “lacked recent experience” and “wasn’t current”. You could help by not judging me so harshly when that became a 3-year gap, and not seeing it as a betrayal of working women everywhere. Plenty of us SAHMs never planned to be a SAHM, but one job loss and a million biased men and women on hiring committees have decided that we’re some kind of lesser species to be avoided and/or shamed.

This! If you want to help women remain in the workforce, hire us! Don’t penalize us for things outside of our control, and welcome us back in. We want to work!

This sounds great, but anecdotally I don’t know any SAHMs who want to return to work. They all seem very opposed to work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a SAHM, these articles about women quitting all seem pretty obvious to me. Yes, a few of you managed to marry a fully “woke” equal partner who will do 50% or more of the “mental load” in addition to housework and child rearing, but I learned pretty quickly I did not marry such a man.

And I’ll be damned if I’m going to carry the whole mental load, run the house, care for the kids AND work a full time job. I’m not a martyr.

Of my 20 closest friends, all but one are married to men who do 50%. That one is a SAHM and the rest of us work. It's not just "a few" women who "managed" to marry "woke" men. You married a child, that was your choice.

Ding ding ding! My ratio is not quite as good as yours, but I have plenty of friends and family where both spouses pitch in roughly equally. It’s the men-children who are the outliers, and should be eliminated in the next generation.

Same. Look, if you quit your job when you have a young baby then you’re going to be automatically assuming ALL of the childcare and household responsibilities. It’s hard to later pass those on to your spouse. Every woman I know with a man who doesn’t do his share is a SAHM and it’s likely because she dropped out of the workforce early on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a SAHM, these articles about women quitting all seem pretty obvious to me. Yes, a few of you managed to marry a fully “woke” equal partner who will do 50% or more of the “mental load” in addition to housework and child rearing, but I learned pretty quickly I did not marry such a man.

And I’ll be damned if I’m going to carry the whole mental load, run the house, care for the kids AND work a full time job. I’m not a martyr.

Of my 20 closest friends, all but one are married to men who do 50%. That one is a SAHM and the rest of us work. It's not just "a few" women who "managed" to marry "woke" men. You married a child, that was your choice.

Ding ding ding! My ratio is not quite as good as yours, but I have plenty of friends and family where both spouses pitch in roughly equally. It’s the men-children who are the outliers, and should be eliminated in the next generation.

Same. Look, if you quit your job when you have a young baby then you’re going to be automatically assuming ALL of the childcare and household responsibilities. It’s hard to later pass those on to your spouse. Every woman I know with a man who doesn’t do his share is a SAHM and it’s likely because she dropped out of the workforce early on.

The reason women drop out early is because of lack of childcare options and maternity leave. It's not an individual failing that they get little society support at a time when their children have high needs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a SAHM, these articles about women quitting all seem pretty obvious to me. Yes, a few of you managed to marry a fully “woke” equal partner who will do 50% or more of the “mental load” in addition to housework and child rearing, but I learned pretty quickly I did not marry such a man.

And I’ll be damned if I’m going to carry the whole mental load, run the house, care for the kids AND work a full time job. I’m not a martyr.

Of my 20 closest friends, all but one are married to men who do 50%. That one is a SAHM and the rest of us work. It's not just "a few" women who "managed" to marry "woke" men. You married a child, that was your choice.

Ding ding ding! My ratio is not quite as good as yours, but I have plenty of friends and family where both spouses pitch in roughly equally. It’s the men-children who are the outliers, and should be eliminated in the next generation.

Same. Look, if you quit your job when you have a young baby then you’re going to be automatically assuming ALL of the childcare and household responsibilities. It’s hard to later pass those on to your spouse. Every woman I know with a man who doesn’t do his share is a SAHM and it’s likely because she dropped out of the workforce early on.

The reason women drop out early is because of lack of childcare options and maternity leave. It's not an individual failing that they get little society support at a time when their children have high needs.

I agree with this. However, there are many SAHMs I know who continue to have reasons they can’t work. I simply think they don’t want to work. I’m not sure that a six month maternity leave would make a difference. There seems to be a large subset of women who say they are forced to stay at home, take on most responsibilities at home, and complain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a SAHM, these articles about women quitting all seem pretty obvious to me. Yes, a few of you managed to marry a fully “woke” equal partner who will do 50% or more of the “mental load” in addition to housework and child rearing, but I learned pretty quickly I did not marry such a man.

And I’ll be damned if I’m going to carry the whole mental load, run the house, care for the kids AND work a full time job. I’m not a martyr.

Of my 20 closest friends, all but one are married to men who do 50%. That one is a SAHM and the rest of us work. It's not just "a few" women who "managed" to marry "woke" men. You married a child, that was your choice.

Ding ding ding! My ratio is not quite as good as yours, but I have plenty of friends and family where both spouses pitch in roughly equally. It’s the men-children who are the outliers, and should be eliminated in the next generation.

Same. Look, if you quit your job when you have a young baby then you’re going to be automatically assuming ALL of the childcare and household responsibilities. It’s hard to later pass those on to your spouse. Every woman I know with a man who doesn’t do his share is a SAHM and it’s likely because she dropped out of the workforce early on.

The reason women drop out early is because of lack of childcare options and maternity leave. It's not an individual failing that they get little society support at a time when their children have high needs.

I agree with this. However, there are many SAHMs I know who continue to have reasons they can’t work. I simply think they don’t want to work. I’m not sure that a six month maternity leave would make a difference. There seems to be a large subset of women who say they are forced to stay at home, take on most responsibilities at home, and complain.

Did you post the last few responses as well? They all sound similar in making it seem as if all sahm’s are lazy complainers, but they’re worthless anecdotes.

[Anonymous]

Sounds more to me like 1/4 of women chose poorly in the partner department. Widows of course excluded.