Christopher Columbus statues

[Anonymous]

Gotta rename all MLK BLVDs in cities because MLK doesn't pass modern day #metoo tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I personally can understand why people would want to take down statues of Confederate generals: they were treasonous traitors who wanted to defeat the United States and they LOST. See ya!

But I am having a hard time understanding why Columbus has become the embodiment of white Europeans ravaging indigenous people. It’s not like he sailed to the new world and recruited others to specifically do that. It’s a little like making Henry Ford the poster boy for carbon emissions and automobile pollution.

It’s about Christopher Columbus “discovering” America. How could he have discovered it since there were already people here? Clearly he didn’t discover anything! That he was brave, industrious, adventurous, etc. is important but how important? There were hundreds of explorers sailing to different parts of the globe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I get it on the Confederate statues and am sympathetic there. Beyond that this is getting out of control. There is not a right to just decide something offends you and you have some logic to defend that so you get to unilaterally decide to deface and destroy the public square. It needs to be by community decision.

Are we going to just let mobs deface and destroy the Jefferson Memorial and the FDR Memorial. We can each come up with lines of reasoning why XYZ person should not be honored. The mob cannot be allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner.

This is a thread about Christopher Columbus statues. You think a pass should be granted to the man who began genocide in the Western Hemisphere? You think people just “disagree” with the fact that they stole children for repeated rape? You think cutting off people’s hands so they bled to death was laudatory?

I think it should be decided by the community through our political and governmental process. If we take that route and decide to remove or replace Christopher Columbus statues then so be it. That is part of living in civil society. I value that more than re-litigating 15th century history through mob violence.

Easy for you to say. But blacks and indigenous people were not included in the political or government or civil processes that decided that their oppressors should be honored in their faces. The “civil societies” that erected these statues were racist police states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Christopher Columbus isn’t a hero to ALL Americans. If we have public statues, they community must agree that person is worth it. Columbus has been unpopular for years.

But let’s still keep the holiday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Welcome to the slippery slope. I'm sure in my lifetime I'll hear calls to remove the Washington and Jefferson Memorials.

Can we just honor the achievements of our forebears and not judge them with contemporary values? Apparently that's impossible for some activists.

All this stuff makes me sick to my stomach because I think it will help make Trump 2020 happen.

Stop with this “contemporary values” BS...Even when Columbus was alive it was wrong to rape children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally can understand why people would want to take down statues of Confederate generals: they were treasonous traitors who wanted to defeat the United States and they LOST. See ya!

But I am having a hard time understanding why Columbus has become the embodiment of white Europeans ravaging indigenous people. It’s not like he sailed to the new world and recruited others to specifically do that. It’s a little like making Henry Ford the poster boy for carbon emissions and automobile pollution.

It’s about Christopher Columbus “discovering” America. How could he have discovered it since there were already people here? Clearly he didn’t discover anything! That he was brave, industrious, adventurous, etc. is important but how important? There were hundreds of explorers sailing to different parts of the globe.

If a native American in 1491 had sailed across the Atlantic and landed in Europe, then it would be fair to say that he or she "discovered" Europe. Yes, there were already Europeans there, but the continent was completely unknown to anyone in the Americas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christopher Columbus isn’t a hero to ALL Americans. If we have public statues, they community must agree that person is worth it. Columbus has been unpopular for years.

But let’s still keep the holiday.

Make it Indigenous Peoples Day.

Also make Juneteenth a national holiday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get it on the Confederate statues and am sympathetic there. Beyond that this is getting out of control. There is not a right to just decide something offends you and you have some logic to defend that so you get to unilaterally decide to deface and destroy the public square. It needs to be by community decision.

Are we going to just let mobs deface and destroy the Jefferson Memorial and the FDR Memorial. We can each come up with lines of reasoning why XYZ person should not be honored. The mob cannot be allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner.

This is a thread about Christopher Columbus statues. You think a pass should be granted to the man who began genocide in the Western Hemisphere? You think people just “disagree” with the fact that they stole children for repeated rape? You think cutting off people’s hands so they bled to death was laudatory?

Dude, you should read the 5000 years of brutal chinese culture, slavery, killings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally can understand why people would want to take down statues of Confederate generals: they were treasonous traitors who wanted to defeat the United States and they LOST. See ya!

But I am having a hard time understanding why Columbus has become the embodiment of white Europeans ravaging indigenous people. It’s not like he sailed to the new world and recruited others to specifically do that. It’s a little like making Henry Ford the poster boy for carbon emissions and automobile pollution.

It’s about Christopher Columbus “discovering” America. How could he have discovered it since there were already people here? Clearly he didn’t discover anything! That he was brave, industrious, adventurous, etc. is important but how important? There were hundreds of explorers sailing to different parts of the globe.

If a native American in 1491 had sailed across the Atlantic and landed in Europe, then it would be fair to say that he or she "discovered" Europe. Yes, there were already Europeans there, but the continent was completely unknown to anyone in the Americas.

And they should still be honored as “discoverers” if they then steal all the natural resources, torture, enslave and/or kill the natives, and basically take it as their own.

And no, it would not be safe to say they discovered anything unless you think that the native Europeans aren’t humans. I mean, as some troglodyte just said, all the stupid native Europeans did was stumble over some land bridges following animals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally can understand why people would want to take down statues of Confederate generals: they were treasonous traitors who wanted to defeat the United States and they LOST. See ya!

But I am having a hard time understanding why Columbus has become the embodiment of white Europeans ravaging indigenous people. It’s not like he sailed to the new world and recruited others to specifically do that. It’s a little like making Henry Ford the poster boy for carbon emissions and automobile pollution.

It’s about Christopher Columbus “discovering” America. How could he have discovered it since there were already people here? Clearly he didn’t discover anything! That he was brave, industrious, adventurous, etc. is important but how important? There were hundreds of explorers sailing to different parts of the globe.

Haha haha. 100s? Nope, not then. Not even the Cape Horn route.

Give it up, your sock puppet is getting old.

[Anonymous]

Idiots defaced the statue of abolitionist, Matthias Baldwin. They are so stupid, they don't even check first before defacing statues.
https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia-protests-matthias-baldwin-statue-abolitionist-twitter-photos-20200612.html

Not to mention the other statues of good people they've chosen to deface. JFC. Pick up a book and educate yourselves.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/11/social-justice-warriors-deface-statues-of-actual-social-justice-warriors/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's year zero. The same crap that Mao did as well as ISIS. Leftists are literally ISIS.

You forgot to throw in Hitler, for the trifecta.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Idiots defaced the statue of abolitionist, Matthias Baldwin. They are so stupid, they don't even check first before defacing statues.
https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia-protests-matthias-baldwin-statue-abolitionist-twitter-photos-20200612.html

Not to mention the other statues of good people they've chosen to deface. JFC. Pick up a book and educate yourselves.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/11/social-justice-warriors-deface-statues-of-actual-social-justice-warriors/

You read Russian propaganda to tell you how to think.

[Anonymous]

Too bad you don’t get as worked up about human beings being murdered by the police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally can understand why people would want to take down statues of Confederate generals: they were treasonous traitors who wanted to defeat the United States and they LOST. See ya!

But I am having a hard time understanding why Columbus has become the embodiment of white Europeans ravaging indigenous people. It’s not like he sailed to the new world and recruited others to specifically do that. It’s a little like making Henry Ford the poster boy for carbon emissions and automobile pollution.

It’s about Christopher Columbus “discovering” America. How could he have discovered it since there were already people here? Clearly he didn’t discover anything! That he was brave, industrious, adventurous, etc. is important but how important? There were hundreds of explorers sailing to different parts of the globe.

Haha haha. 100s? Nope, not then. Not even the Cape Horn route.

Give it up, your sock puppet is getting old.

Columbus discovered the ocean route and drew it on a map
He didn't do much more than that. Life was short and hard those days
What happened later was not his doing.