Christopher Columbus statues

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the statue of Columbus at the Minnesota capitol building grounds, down on the ground with members of AIM dancing and singing around it. This is seriously one of the most uplifting things I have ever seen.

So misguided. Never knew there were such fools in Minnie. I used to think they had more common sense, work ethic, Scandinavia blood, and DIY nature. Clearly not.

Nah, my state isn’t misguided.

And they took this down themselves, which is the definition of “DIY.”

Exactly! Destroying something is an accomplishment just like building something that lasts! So cool! Taking down a Christopher Columbus statue. That’ll show em.

#BLM

I guess if you like to troll and denigrate minorities, you could say that.

I would say that the fact that the American Indian/First Peoples/indigenous people are still here to tell the tale despite hundreds of years of genocide is a much bigger accomplishment than the guy who started the genocide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Quite remarkable that people are so keen on removing statues of people who lived centuries ago......

Yet, there are statues of the Democratic Senator who was a member of the KKK in both W VA and Richmond, VA. And, numerous places, streets, buildings, and rooms names for him......

No effort to make any changes to these, it seems.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/amid-outcry-over-confederate-monuments-little-outrage-over-robert-byrds-namesakes-scattered-across-home-state

I’m not clicking a Fox link. Either put up a credible source for the same story, or admit its not a legitimate story. Your choice.

So, are you disbelieving that there is such a statue, or are you not believing that there are no efforts to take them down on the part of the protesters?

And, BTW - the Columbus statue that was taken down in Richmond earlier this week? It was in Byrd Park. Name for William Byrd, slave owner.

Looks like there is a proposal to have the statue removed. Interesting that the protesters haven't touched it.
https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/norfolk-lawmaker-to-propose-removing-byrd-statue-from-capitol-square/article_507b28dc-d6c4-5048-aa6f-da01ec2f5cb7.html

Maybe this mitigates his legacy? From the link YOU posted:

Byrd was a former member of the Klu Klux Klan who later regretted that affiliation, renounced his past views supporting segregation and described it as a mistake...By the time of his death, he had allies even in the civil rights movement, with the NAACP at the time praising his legacy and his transformation from a former KKK member to a “stalwart supporter” of civil rights. Then-President Barack Obama, too, cited Byrd’s evolution in honoring the West Virginia senator after he died.

And, Washington freed his slaves, yet there is still talk about renaming places named after him.

Interesting who gets a pass in this new era of cancel culture.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does Christopher Columbus deserve a statue? What did he do that embodies U.S. values?

Do you know why Columbus day was made a holiday? Italian Americans wanted a day to celebrate their culture so they lobbyed for a holiday.

Geez people are dense about identity politics.

I see that you didn't answer PPs questions even a little bit.

What's there to say.

A critical mass if immigrants wanted a statute and holiday to honor THEIR culture.

I'm not Italian, in asian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does Christopher Columbus deserve a statue? What did he do that embodies U.S. values?

Do you know why Columbus day was made a holiday? Italian Americans wanted a day to celebrate their culture so they lobbyed for a holiday.

Geez people are dense about identity politics.

I see that you didn't answer PPs questions even a little bit.

What's there to say.

A critical mass if immigrants wanted a statute and holiday to honor THEIR culture.

I'm not Italian, in asian.

+1. And I am Italian. Can’t we have one damned day after all we have done for this country? I mean pizza, come on, your welcome! Glad Cuomo and DiBlasio didn’t cave on this one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does Christopher Columbus deserve a statue? What did he do that embodies U.S. values?

Do you know why Columbus day was made a holiday? Italian Americans wanted a day to celebrate their culture so they lobbyed for a holiday.

Geez people are dense about identity politics.

I see that you didn't answer PPs questions even a little bit.

What's there to say.

A critical mass if immigrants wanted a statute and holiday to honor THEIR culture.

I'm not Italian, in asian.

+1. And I am Italian. Can’t we have one damned day after all we have done for this country? I mean pizza, come on, your welcome! Glad Cuomo and DiBlasio didn’t cave on this one.

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Pick one of the millions of non-genocidal people your fine nation has produced. Although it’s weird that you’d claim him, of all people, given that it wasn’t even a united Italy at that time, and he sailed for the Spanish. Is there a Genoese immigrant lobby? I mean, that’s a weird guy to lionize when you’ve got Da Vinci, Galileo, Dante, Michaelangelo, Marco Polo for crying out loud... and you pick the moron who thought he was in Asia? How could he be in Asia if he “discovered“ America?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does Christopher Columbus deserve a statue? What did he do that embodies U.S. values?

Do you know why Columbus day was made a holiday? Italian Americans wanted a day to celebrate their culture so they lobbyed for a holiday.

Geez people are dense about identity politics.

I see that you didn't answer PPs questions even a little bit.

What's there to say.

A critical mass if immigrants wanted a statute and holiday to honor THEIR culture.

I'm not Italian, in asian.

+1. And I am Italian. Can’t we have one damned day after all we have done for this country? I mean pizza, come on, your welcome! Glad Cuomo and DiBlasio didn’t cave on this one.

-1
Pick one of the millions of non-genocidal people your fine nation has produced. Although it’s weird that you’d claim him, of all people, given that it wasn’t even a united Italy at that time, and he sailed for the Spanish. Is there a Genoese immigrant lobby? I mean, that’s a weird guy to lionize when you’ve got Da Vinci, Galileo, Dante, Michaelangelo, Marco Polo for crying out loud... and you pick the moron who thought he was in Asia? How could he be in Asia if he “discovered“ America?

I wasn’t even born when they picked him, so I picked nothing. I do agree that there are better examples, but I’m sure someone would find some fault with all of them too.

[Anonymous]

Makes me sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does Christopher Columbus deserve a statue? What did he do that embodies U.S. values?

Do you know why Columbus day was made a holiday? Italian Americans wanted a day to celebrate their culture so they lobbyed for a holiday.

Geez people are dense about identity politics.

I see that you didn't answer PPs questions even a little bit.

What's there to say.

A critical mass if immigrants wanted a statute and holiday to honor THEIR culture.

I'm not Italian, in asian.

+1. And I am Italian. Can’t we have one damned day after all we have done for this country? I mean pizza, come on, your welcome! Glad Cuomo and DiBlasio didn’t cave on this one.

-1
Pick one of the millions of non-genocidal people your fine nation has produced. Although it’s weird that you’d claim him, of all people, given that it wasn’t even a united Italy at that time, and he sailed for the Spanish. Is there a Genoese immigrant lobby? I mean, that’s a weird guy to lionize when you’ve got Da Vinci, Galileo, Dante, Michaelangelo, Marco Polo for crying out loud... and you pick the moron who thought he was in Asia? How could he be in Asia if he “discovered“ America?

I wasn’t even born when they picked him, so I picked nothing. I do agree that there are better examples, but I’m sure someone would find some fault with all of them too.

And many of the great "classical" Italians have no relationship to the Americas.

[Anonymous]

I get it on the Confederate statues and am sympathetic there. Beyond that this is getting out of control. There is not a right to just decide something offends you and you have some logic to defend that so you get to unilaterally decide to deface and destroy the public square. It needs to be by community decision.

Are we going to just let mobs deface and destroy the Jefferson Memorial and the FDR Memorial. We can each come up with lines of reasoning why XYZ person should not be honored. The mob cannot be allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Quite remarkable that people are so keen on removing statues of people who lived centuries ago......

Yet, there are statues of the Democratic Senator who was a member of the KKK in both W VA and Richmond, VA. And, numerous places, streets, buildings, and rooms names for him......

No effort to make any changes to these, it seems.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/amid-outcry-over-confederate-monuments-little-outrage-over-robert-byrds-namesakes-scattered-across-home-state

I’m not clicking a Fox link. Either put up a credible source for the same story, or admit its not a legitimate story. Your choice.

So, are you disbelieving that there is such a statue, or are you not believing that there are no efforts to take them down on the part of the protesters?

And, BTW - the Columbus statue that was taken down in Richmond earlier this week? It was in Byrd Park. Name for William Byrd, slave owner.

Looks like there is a proposal to have the statue removed. Interesting that the protesters haven't touched it.
https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/norfolk-lawmaker-to-propose-removing-byrd-statue-from-capitol-square/article_507b28dc-d6c4-5048-aa6f-da01ec2f5cb7.html

Maybe this mitigates his legacy? From the link YOU posted:

Byrd was a former member of the Klu Klux Klan who later regretted that affiliation, renounced his past views supporting segregation and described it as a mistake...By the time of his death, he had allies even in the civil rights movement, with the NAACP at the time praising his legacy and his transformation from a former KKK member to a “stalwart supporter” of civil rights. Then-President Barack Obama, too, cited Byrd’s evolution in honoring the West Virginia senator after he died.

And, Washington freed his slaves, yet there is still talk about renaming places named after him.

Interesting who gets a pass in this new era of cancel culture.

"There is talk"
"people are saying"
"I've heard"

If cancel culture wasn't a thing that Fox News made up last week, Trump and all of his supporters would be canceled. The fact that they aren't and Trump is in fact the President with a decent chance of re-election is proof that cancel culture isn't a thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I get it on the Confederate statues and am sympathetic there. Beyond that this is getting out of control. There is not a right to just decide something offends you and you have some logic to defend that so you get to unilaterally decide to deface and destroy the public square. It needs to be by community decision.

Are we going to just let mobs deface and destroy the Jefferson Memorial and the FDR Memorial. We can each come up with lines of reasoning why XYZ person should not be honored. The mob cannot be allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner.

Right. That’s the cops’ job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I get it on the Confederate statues and am sympathetic there. Beyond that this is getting out of control. There is not a right to just decide something offends you and you have some logic to defend that so you get to unilaterally decide to deface and destroy the public square. It needs to be by community decision.

Are we going to just let mobs deface and destroy the Jefferson Memorial and the FDR Memorial. We can each come up with lines of reasoning why XYZ person should not be honored. The mob cannot be allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner.

This is a thread about Christopher Columbus statues. You think a pass should be granted to the man who began genocide in the Western Hemisphere? You think people just “disagree” with the fact that they stole children for repeated rape? You think cutting off people’s hands so they bled to death was laudatory?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Quite remarkable that people are so keen on removing statues of people who lived centuries ago......

Yet, there are statues of the Democratic Senator who was a member of the KKK in both W VA and Richmond, VA. And, numerous places, streets, buildings, and rooms names for him......

No effort to make any changes to these, it seems.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/amid-outcry-over-confederate-monuments-little-outrage-over-robert-byrds-namesakes-scattered-across-home-state

I’m not clicking a Fox link. Either put up a credible source for the same story, or admit its not a legitimate story. Your choice.

So, are you disbelieving that there is such a statue, or are you not believing that there are no efforts to take them down on the part of the protesters?

And, BTW - the Columbus statue that was taken down in Richmond earlier this week? It was in Byrd Park. Name for William Byrd, slave owner.

Looks like there is a proposal to have the statue removed. Interesting that the protesters haven't touched it.
https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/norfolk-lawmaker-to-propose-removing-byrd-statue-from-capitol-square/article_507b28dc-d6c4-5048-aa6f-da01ec2f5cb7.html

Maybe this mitigates his legacy? From the link YOU posted:

Byrd was a former member of the Klu Klux Klan who later regretted that affiliation, renounced his past views supporting segregation and described it as a mistake...By the time of his death, he had allies even in the civil rights movement, with the NAACP at the time praising his legacy and his transformation from a former KKK member to a “stalwart supporter” of civil rights. Then-President Barack Obama, too, cited Byrd’s evolution in honoring the West Virginia senator after he died.

And, Washington freed his slaves, yet there is still talk about renaming places named after him.

Interesting who gets a pass in this new era of cancel culture.

"There is talk"
"people are saying"
"I've heard"

If cancel culture wasn't a thing that Fox News made up last week, Trump and all of his supporters would be canceled. The fact that they aren't and Trump is in fact the President with a decent chance of re-election is proof that cancel culture isn't a thing.

There is a thread in the Metro Politics on this very topic.

[Anonymous]

It's year zero. The same crap that Mao did as well as ISIS. Leftists are literally ISIS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get it on the Confederate statues and am sympathetic there. Beyond that this is getting out of control. There is not a right to just decide something offends you and you have some logic to defend that so you get to unilaterally decide to deface and destroy the public square. It needs to be by community decision.

Are we going to just let mobs deface and destroy the Jefferson Memorial and the FDR Memorial. We can each come up with lines of reasoning why XYZ person should not be honored. The mob cannot be allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner.

This is a thread about Christopher Columbus statues. You think a pass should be granted to the man who began genocide in the Western Hemisphere? You think people just “disagree” with the fact that they stole children for repeated rape? You think cutting off people’s hands so they bled to death was laudatory?

I think it should be decided by the community through our political and governmental process. If we take that route and decide to remove or replace Christopher Columbus statues then so be it. That is part of living in civil society. I value that more than re-litigating 15th century history through mob violence.