Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice

[Anonymous]

So here we are on page six, and has ANYBODY mentioned this?

"The majority of the suspensions were of special education students, according to the data."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So here we are on page six, and has ANYBODY mentioned this?

"The majority of the suspensions were of special education students, according to the data."

It’s a streamlining issue. We know this. Also, any kid with issues or fidgety is given an IEP these days. Docs handing out diagnosis and drugs like candy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here we are on page six, and has ANYBODY mentioned this?

"The majority of the suspensions were of special education students, according to the data."

It’s a streamlining issue. We know this. Also, any kid with issues or fidgety is given an IEP these days. Docs handing out diagnosis and drugs like candy.

Hahahahaha. OMG. The idea that it's easy to get an IEP in place is unbelievable. You have got to be kidding me. Schools fight them tooth and nail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here we are on page six, and has ANYBODY mentioned this?

"The majority of the suspensions were of special education students, according to the data."

It’s a streamlining issue. We know this. Also, any kid with issues or fidgety is given an IEP these days. Docs handing out diagnosis and drugs like candy.

Uhhhh no. Took us months to get an IEP. Takes some folks years. Took years to get what to us was an obvious diagnosis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So here we are on page six, and has ANYBODY mentioned this?

"The majority of the suspensions were of special education students, according to the data."

This is not true for the lower performing high FARMS schools, there are many more non IEP kids who are disruptive than the disruptive IEP kids.

This may be true in the wealthy neighborhoods because parents can game the IEP process more, but I doubt it's true there as well, esp. in middle schools where many kids just act out because they realize there are few repercussions.

The conclusion is that we really have a lack of discipline epidemic in schools. Starting in middle school, the rules should be much tougher on removing kids from misbehaving, and disrupting class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a mixed race kid (AA and white) who is 2- this is already on our minds when looking at schools.

My DH was (and is still) friends with mostly wealthy, white kids. One kid took the cops on a high speed chase through HoCo after being pulled over for a DUI. He got probation and a fine. If he was a minority, he would've been shot.

There are ingrained stereotypes that we all carry with us. Teachers and administrations are not exempt from this and data does not lie. More minority kids are suspended for lesser offenses and non-minority kids can tag a school with offense images (see reference to VA tagging in article about Glenelg "Among black families like hers, there were doubts that the white teens would face the kind of punishment black teens receive for similar crimes. Two years earlier, a group of students had painted swastikas on a historic black schoolhouse in Northern Virginia. A Loudoun County judge sentenced them not to jail time or community service, but to reading: along with visiting the Holocaust museum, each had to choose a single book about Nazi Germany or the Jim Crow era and write a report on it")

I already know that I am not going to be able to stomach this thread, but I completely agree. There was a fight at school. DS went to step in. Guess who he got suspended? DS. He is brown with long curly hair. Other white kids just got detention.

Every day, all day across the country.

Little white kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class=ADD/ADHD. Little black kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class= thug, bad parenting, disruptive, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here we are on page six, and has ANYBODY mentioned this?

"The majority of the suspensions were of special education students, according to the data."

This is not true for the lower performing high FARMS schools, there are many more non IEP kids who are disruptive than the disruptive IEP kids.

This may be true in the wealthy neighborhoods because parents can game the IEP process more, but I doubt it's true there as well, esp. in middle schools where many kids just act out because they realize there are few repercussions.

The conclusion is that we really have a lack of discipline epidemic in schools. Starting in middle school, the rules should be much tougher on removing kids from misbehaving, and disrupting class.

What data are you basing your statements on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here we are on page six, and has ANYBODY mentioned this?

"The majority of the suspensions were of special education students, according to the data."

This is not true for the lower performing high FARMS schools, there are many more non IEP kids who are disruptive than the disruptive IEP kids.

This may be true in the wealthy neighborhoods because parents can game the IEP process more, but I doubt it's true there as well, esp. in middle schools where many kids just act out because they realize there are few repercussions.

The conclusion is that we really have a lack of discipline epidemic in schools. Starting in middle school, the rules should be much tougher on removing kids from misbehaving, and disrupting class.

What data are you basing your statements on?

The TOTAL MCPS special ed services is 11.7%. IEP would be a lot smaller than this, especially if they are harder to obtain at a high FARMS school. I'll let you do the math and estimate the % of disruptive kids at a FARMS school (hint, it's much higher).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here we are on page six, and has ANYBODY mentioned this?

"The majority of the suspensions were of special education students, according to the data."

This is not true for the lower performing high FARMS schools, there are many more non IEP kids who are disruptive than the disruptive IEP kids.

This may be true in the wealthy neighborhoods because parents can game the IEP process more, but I doubt it's true there as well, esp. in middle schools where many kids just act out because they realize there are few repercussions.

The conclusion is that we really have a lack of discipline epidemic in schools. Starting in middle school, the rules should be much tougher on removing kids from misbehaving, and disrupting class.

What data are you basing your statements on?

The TOTAL MCPS special ed services is 11.7%. IEP would be a lot smaller than this, especially if they are harder to obtain at a high FARMS school. I'll let you do the math and estimate the % of disruptive kids at a FARMS school (hint, it's much higher).

^^^Not data

[Anonymous]

Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

So when the boys raped their fellow football players, we are looking for restorative justice? Got it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

They would accomplish removing them from class at the time of disruption and making the environment more conducive to learning, for both teacher and rest of the students. Why is that pointless?

If restorative justice is better, why isn't it working? Funding can't be an issue, I understand that FARMS schools have a lot more money to spend on special ed. Are you implying that the current resources that handle restorative justice are incompetent? Or are you suggesting by the above that we should spend more money to put more resources in place? Where is that extra money going to come from, and what kind of limit we will put in to prevent overspending?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here we are on page six, and has ANYBODY mentioned this?

"The majority of the suspensions were of special education students, according to the data."

This is not true for the lower performing high FARMS schools, there are many more non IEP kids who are disruptive than the disruptive IEP kids.

This may be true in the wealthy neighborhoods because parents can game the IEP process more, but I doubt it's true there as well, esp. in middle schools where many kids just act out because they realize there are few repercussions.

The conclusion is that we really have a lack of discipline epidemic in schools. Starting in middle school, the rules should be much tougher on removing kids from misbehaving, and disrupting class.

What data are you basing your statements on?

The TOTAL MCPS special ed services is 11.7%. IEP would be a lot smaller than this, especially if they are harder to obtain at a high FARMS school. I'll let you do the math and estimate the % of disruptive kids at a FARMS school (hint, it's much higher).

^^^Not data

11.7% students in MCPS receive special services, hard fact

[Anonymous]

OK. And the rest of it? Your opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.