Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Also, don't forget that it's best to downplay anything. A kid hits another kid during PE? That's just kids being kids. Don't count it as 'assault'. Pretty much nothing in MCPS counts as 'physical assault'. Boys being raped in the locker rooms? Eh, it's just 'hazing'. I remember very distinctly that the press from MCPS after the Damascus rape case was exclusively about 'hazing' versus calling is sexual assault.

So true. The 18yr old illegal alien "freshman" having sex with another freshman in the hall at RM a few years ago? That was just kids being kids. No need to suspend them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Also, don't forget that it's best to downplay anything. A kid hits another kid during PE? That's just kids being kids. Don't count it as 'assault'. Pretty much nothing in MCPS counts as 'physical assault'. Boys being raped in the locker rooms? Eh, it's just 'hazing'. I remember very distinctly that the press from MCPS after the Damascus rape case was exclusively about 'hazing' versus calling is sexual assault.

So true. The 18yr old illegal alien "freshman" having sex with another freshman in the hall at RM a few years ago? That was just kids being kids. No need to suspend them.

Just to be accurate. That was Rockville HS, and it was all 'consensual' despite the fact that the girl was 14.

The RM case was a security team leader having sex with a student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren't we looking at the factors impacting the kids who are acting out, exploding, setting stuff on fire etc. We should be putting our energy there. And not just in the schools, which only can do so much. Instead of a bajillion trainings on implicit bias, why not beef up mental health support, and offer more parent education, and give students adult mentors and do other things that target some of the root problems. It's once again blaming teachers and admin and putting them in the position of allowing behaviors that put others at risk. If their numbers are disproportionate, they'll be publicly shamed with a list like this, but they'll also pay a price if they can't maintain any order in their classrooms and schools. Instead of paying a central office director to gallivant around the world recruiting teachers full time, use that money to help kids.

+ 1 million

Because it is way easier to blame teachers and admin. Makes MCPS leadership look like they're being all 'progressive' and doesn't really solve a single issue. Typical MCPS.

Well how about we ban cell phones from school as a start. They are not needed. There are phones in the main office. The kids are just bullying and fighting and slinging on them all day. How about tracking kids in appropriate classes for them instead of all these mixed classes to make it look like everyone is the same. They aren't. Stop the mandatory graduation requirements and make 2-3 curriculums. College-prep. Trade School Prep, and How to work in the real world prep. Stop forcing Algebra on kids who will never go to college or ever need it. Start bringing back classes where the kids use their hands and bring back PE courses in high school to let off steam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you think if Student A who is white does X and Student B who is black does X... the black student should be suspended and the white student should not be suspended?

No, I am saying that anyone who does X should get suspended. Teachers have already said here they can not suspend minorities the past 1-2 years, due to restorative justice - meaning until these "numbers" get fixed and the suspensions are even between blacks, hispanics, white and Asians. But they are not getting fixed. So now I am guessing we will suspend more white and asians to even it out.

What if X is looking at your phone during class or going to the bathroom and being late for class.

Teachers are disciplining black students for things they let white kids slide on.

It was clear in the article they are talking about minor violations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a mixed race kid (AA and white) who is 2- this is already on our minds when looking at schools.

My DH was (and is still) friends with mostly wealthy, white kids. One kid took the cops on a high speed chase through HoCo after being pulled over for a DUI. He got probation and a fine. If he was a minority, he would've been shot.

There are ingrained stereotypes that we all carry with us. Teachers and administrations are not exempt from this and data does not lie. More minority kids are suspended for lesser offenses and non-minority kids can tag a school with offense images (see reference to VA tagging in article about Glenelg "Among black families like hers, there were doubts that the white teens would face the kind of punishment black teens receive for similar crimes. Two years earlier, a group of students had painted swastikas on a historic black schoolhouse in Northern Virginia. A Loudoun County judge sentenced them not to jail time or community service, but to reading: along with visiting the Holocaust museum, each had to choose a single book about Nazi Germany or the Jim Crow era and write a report on it")

Every day, all day across the country.

Little white kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class=ADD/ADHD. Little black kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class= thug, bad parenting, disruptive, etc.

+1

IDK why the first reaction isn't - IT"S ABOUT TIME! I was horrified when my kindergartner and early elementary kids came home and said "kids with brown skin get in trouble a lot". They were taking this in just from being in school together, and generalizing from it. I am a huge fan of MCPS restorative justice. If little kids can see the differences in how students of color are treated so easily, why is it so hard for adults?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why aren't we looking at the factors impacting the kids who are acting out, exploding, setting stuff on fire etc. We should be putting our energy there. And not just in the schools, which only can do so much. Instead of a bajillion trainings on implicit bias, why not beef up mental health support, and offer more parent education, and give students adult mentors and do other things that target some of the root problems. It's once again blaming teachers and admin and putting them in the position of allowing behaviors that put others at risk. If their numbers are disproportionate, they'll be publicly shamed with a list like this, but they'll also pay a price if they can't maintain any order in their classrooms and schools. Instead of paying a central office director to gallivant around the world recruiting teachers full time, use that money to help kids.

They are specifically not talking about "physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Also, don't forget that it's best to downplay anything. A kid hits another kid during PE? That's just kids being kids. Don't count it as 'assault'. Pretty much nothing in MCPS counts as 'physical assault'. Boys being raped in the locker rooms? Eh, it's just 'hazing'. I remember very distinctly that the press from MCPS after the Damascus rape case was exclusively about 'hazing' versus calling is sexual assault.

So true. The 18yr old illegal alien "freshman" having sex with another freshman in the hall at RM a few years ago? That was just kids being kids. No need to suspend them.

Just to be accurate. That was Rockville HS, and it was all 'consensual' despite the fact that the girl was 14.

The RM case was a security team leader having sex with a student.

Nope, there was an incident where a new 18yr old "freshman" was in the school and had sex with a 14yr old actual freshman under the stairs in the hall and his friends posted it on Facebook live. This was RM. I know the case at Rockville and the teacher sexually assaulting students. This was another case and nothing was done about it, even though he was an adult because he was brought here on asylum or something. 18yr old freshman finished school there that year, but never came back. Someone said he dropped out. 14yr old mortified, I believe she transferred or dropped out. My kids never saw her again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Also, don't forget that it's best to downplay anything. A kid hits another kid during PE? That's just kids being kids. Don't count it as 'assault'. Pretty much nothing in MCPS counts as 'physical assault'. Boys being raped in the locker rooms? Eh, it's just 'hazing'. I remember very distinctly that the press from MCPS after the Damascus rape case was exclusively about 'hazing' versus calling is sexual assault.

So true. The 18yr old illegal alien "freshman" having sex with another freshman in the hall at RM a few years ago? That was just kids being kids. No need to suspend them.

You mean the white male security guard!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren't we looking at the factors impacting the kids who are acting out, exploding, setting stuff on fire etc. We should be putting our energy there. And not just in the schools, which only can do so much. Instead of a bajillion trainings on implicit bias, why not beef up mental health support, and offer more parent education, and give students adult mentors and do other things that target some of the root problems. It's once again blaming teachers and admin and putting them in the position of allowing behaviors that put others at risk. If their numbers are disproportionate, they'll be publicly shamed with a list like this, but they'll also pay a price if they can't maintain any order in their classrooms and schools. Instead of paying a central office director to gallivant around the world recruiting teachers full time, use that money to help kids.

They are specifically not talking about "physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson."

yeah, they don't give an F unless it is something they can be arrested or sued for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Also, don't forget that it's best to downplay anything. A kid hits another kid during PE? That's just kids being kids. Don't count it as 'assault'. Pretty much nothing in MCPS counts as 'physical assault'. Boys being raped in the locker rooms? Eh, it's just 'hazing'. I remember very distinctly that the press from MCPS after the Damascus rape case was exclusively about 'hazing' versus calling is sexual assault.

So true. The 18yr old illegal alien "freshman" having sex with another freshman in the hall at RM a few years ago? That was just kids being kids. No need to suspend them.

You mean the white male security guard!

Wasn't it a coach? The security guard was JW I thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you think if Student A who is white does X and Student B who is black does X... the black student should be suspended and the white student should not be suspended?

No, I am saying that anyone who does X should get suspended. Teachers have already said here they can not suspend minorities the past 1-2 years, due to restorative justice - meaning until these "numbers" get fixed and the suspensions are even between blacks, hispanics, white and Asians. But they are not getting fixed. So now I am guessing we will suspend more white and asians to even it out.

What if X is looking at your phone during class or going to the bathroom and being late for class.

Teachers are disciplining black students for things they let white kids slide on.

It was clear in the article they are talking about minor violations.

Lets see the list then, why aren't they showing the age, race, and age of each child and what it was that got them suspended.

Because I highly doubt black kids are getting suspended for using their phone in class and whites are allowed to just scroll away

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Montgomery County, the social justice experiment that continues the race to the bottom. Thanks Democrats!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a mixed race kid (AA and white) who is 2- this is already on our minds when looking at schools.

My DH was (and is still) friends with mostly wealthy, white kids. One kid took the cops on a high speed chase through HoCo after being pulled over for a DUI. He got probation and a fine. If he was a minority, he would've been shot.

There are ingrained stereotypes that we all carry with us. Teachers and administrations are not exempt from this and data does not lie. More minority kids are suspended for lesser offenses and non-minority kids can tag a school with offense images (see reference to VA tagging in article about Glenelg "Among black families like hers, there were doubts that the white teens would face the kind of punishment black teens receive for similar crimes. Two years earlier, a group of students had painted swastikas on a historic black schoolhouse in Northern Virginia. A Loudoun County judge sentenced them not to jail time or community service, but to reading: along with visiting the Holocaust museum, each had to choose a single book about Nazi Germany or the Jim Crow era and write a report on it")

Every day, all day across the country.

Little white kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class=ADD/ADHD. Little black kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class= thug, bad parenting, disruptive, etc.

+1

IDK why the first reaction isn't - IT"S ABOUT TIME! I was horrified when my kindergartner and early elementary kids came home and said "kids with brown skin get in trouble a lot". They were taking this in just from being in school together, and generalizing from it. I am a huge fan of MCPS restorative justice. If little kids can see the differences in how students of color are treated so easily, why is it so hard for adults?

That Happened!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So you think if Student A who is white does X and Student B who is black does X... the black student should be suspended and the white student should not be suspended?

Black Student B is considered bad and white Student A is deemed to have a special need. I'm white and see it all the time. The fellow students who are disrupting my 6th grade daughter's classes (I see it most often with my 6th grader - her grade seems to have lots of difficult kids)? Both white girls who have no impulse control. Not the brown/black kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a mixed race kid (AA and white) who is 2- this is already on our minds when looking at schools.

My DH was (and is still) friends with mostly wealthy, white kids. One kid took the cops on a high speed chase through HoCo after being pulled over for a DUI. He got probation and a fine. If he was a minority, he would've been shot.

There are ingrained stereotypes that we all carry with us. Teachers and administrations are not exempt from this and data does not lie. More minority kids are suspended for lesser offenses and non-minority kids can tag a school with offense images (see reference to VA tagging in article about Glenelg "Among black families like hers, there were doubts that the white teens would face the kind of punishment black teens receive for similar crimes. Two years earlier, a group of students had painted swastikas on a historic black schoolhouse in Northern Virginia. A Loudoun County judge sentenced them not to jail time or community service, but to reading: along with visiting the Holocaust museum, each had to choose a single book about Nazi Germany or the Jim Crow era and write a report on it")

Every day, all day across the country.

Little white kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class=ADD/ADHD. Little black kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class= thug, bad parenting, disruptive, etc.

+1

IDK why the first reaction isn't - IT"S ABOUT TIME! I was horrified when my kindergartner and early elementary kids came home and said "kids with brown skin get in trouble a lot". They were taking this in just from being in school together, and generalizing from it. I am a huge fan of MCPS restorative justice. If little kids can see the differences in how students of color are treated so easily, why is it so hard for adults?

Where exactly did your kids say that students of color are treated differently? That's different than saying that students of color get in trouble disproportionately. One can be true without the other being true.