Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice

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Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

+ 1 billion....but that is a VERY unpopular mindset these days. The more the schools try to do, the less people intrinsically feel responsible to do. And the less they are doing. Foist the problems back onto the schools because that is where they are misbehaving and disrupting others. But the problem stems from home or should be dealt with from there. In the long run it will solve more problems if our culture begins to believe in personal responsibility again.

What's your plan for getting parents to do what you think parents should do?

Not the PP, but a mandatory parent or guardian sit-in for a school day. Or at least half day. County-wide. Just like jury duty. Show a letter to employer. Instead of suspension, the parent needs to come in and spend the day with the student. Observe each class from the back, watch lunch, PE, etc...

Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.

BRILLIANT!!!

This is what is called accountability. Many don’t like that. They will shout unfair for sure. But I think it is what school systems need.

How is this brilliant? The parents just won't show up and the student will still face zero actual consequences.

I'd say at least half of parents would indeed show up, and it would probably help.

In the Damascus rape case, the ringleader had been transferred from multiple other schools due to behavioral issues. His mother would not do anything about his behavior, so all school officials could do was transfer the problem around. But my guess is most parents aren't like that.

The child is not allowed back in the school until a parent, guardian, or grandparent comes. It is simple as having rules and administration with some balls.

And I am shocked that kids just get moved all around. If I was one of the parent's of the victims, I would be suing the country and asking for changes. That ringleader should have been in RICA or just homeschooled if there are so many issues. That is appalling . Same thing MCPS does with their sexual predator teachers. Just bounces them around and ignores the problem.

Agree completely. We see MCPS do this with kids who have had issues at other schools - simply move them to a different school. We see MCPS do this with staff who have had issues -- simply move them to a different school.

ZEro accountability.

Time to hold parents or guardians accountable.

If they treat this "follow the student" like a jury duty day and it is mandatory by the state, it could stick. Your kid does not go back to school until you or an adult family member or guardian attend. Wow, I really like this.

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Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a mixed race kid (AA and white) who is 2- this is already on our minds when looking at schools.

My DH was (and is still) friends with mostly wealthy, white kids. One kid took the cops on a high speed chase through HoCo after being pulled over for a DUI. He got probation and a fine. If he was a minority, he would've been shot.

You have no idea whether this is true. For a couple of years now the press has been pushing this story that police killings of blacks are endemic and it's simply not true -- they are extremely rare and often associated with threatening activity on the part of the victim of the shooting. In a country of 300 million there will always be individual incidents that are egregious. You can make anything seem common by just amplifying those incidents all over the papers.

I was on the jury for an African-American kid who led the police on a high-speed chase through both DC and Maryland and ended up crashing. He didn't get shot or even injured, although he put many other people in great danger. He got a very brief jail sentence (in months), so it wasn't probation, but he certainly wasn't shot.

My H is a cop and they absolutely beat black males at a higher rate for no good reason.

You are insane if you think black people get less or same jail time as whites.

I call bull on your H being a cop....please just stop.

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Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a mixed race kid (AA and white) who is 2- this is already on our minds when looking at schools.

My DH was (and is still) friends with mostly wealthy, white kids. One kid took the cops on a high speed chase through HoCo after being pulled over for a DUI. He got probation and a fine. If he was a minority, he would've been shot.

You have no idea whether this is true. For a couple of years now the press has been pushing this story that police killings of blacks are endemic and it's simply not true -- they are extremely rare and often associated with threatening activity on the part of the victim of the shooting. In a country of 300 million there will always be individual incidents that are egregious. You can make anything seem common by just amplifying those incidents all over the papers.

I was on the jury for an African-American kid who led the police on a high-speed chase through both DC and Maryland and ended up crashing. He didn't get shot or even injured, although he put many other people in great danger. He got a very brief jail sentence (in months), so it wasn't probation, but he certainly wasn't shot.

My H is a cop and they absolutely beat black males at a higher rate for no good reason.

You are insane if you think black people get less or same jail time as whites.

Interesting...... My H is a cop and black males beat and attack cops at a higher rate for no good reason.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never seen a student moved to a different school due to behavior. What I have seen is parents work the system to get a COSA. Particularly if the student is a minority or the family can not afford after school care. So, when the family and student burns all the bridges at one school either they apply for a new COSA claiming bullying or some other problem. Kid goes to new school. Kid and family continues being a train wreck, so the COSA gets overturned and kid goes back to old school or another school.

I’d like to see numbers from MCPS. How many kids are COSA’d on an involuntary basis?

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Anonymous wrote:I have never seen a student moved to a different school due to behavior. What I have seen is parents work the system to get a COSA. Particularly if the student is a minority or the family can not afford after school care. So, when the family and student burns all the bridges at one school either they apply for a new COSA claiming bullying or some other problem. Kid goes to new school. Kid and family continues being a train wreck, so the COSA gets overturned and kid goes back to old school or another school.

I’d like to see numbers from MCPS. How many kids are COSA’d on an involuntary basis?

I’d like to know how big of an issue these transfers for behavioral issues are. There are other pathways for a dangerous kid - like online coursework.

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Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a mixed race kid (AA and white) who is 2- this is already on our minds when looking at schools.

My DH was (and is still) friends with mostly wealthy, white kids. One kid took the cops on a high speed chase through HoCo after being pulled over for a DUI. He got probation and a fine. If he was a minority, he would've been shot.

You have no idea whether this is true. For a couple of years now the press has been pushing this story that police killings of blacks are endemic and it's simply not true -- they are extremely rare and often associated with threatening activity on the part of the victim of the shooting. In a country of 300 million there will always be individual incidents that are egregious. You can make anything seem common by just amplifying those incidents all over the papers.

I was on the jury for an African-American kid who led the police on a high-speed chase through both DC and Maryland and ended up crashing. He didn't get shot or even injured, although he put many other people in great danger. He got a very brief jail sentence (in months), so it wasn't probation, but he certainly wasn't shot.

My H is a cop and they absolutely beat black males at a higher rate for no good reason.

You are insane if you think black people get less or same jail time as whites.

Interesting...... My H is a cop and black males beat and attack cops at a higher rate for no good reason.

Your husbands sounds ignorant and it’s implied by us like that that is the problem in the police force. Did he make it past two years of college. Our biggest problem is that we require such lack of education by police officers. We give guns to people that can’t even make it through four years of college which is ridiculous.

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Ask the parents at Parkland HS how "restorative justice" worked out for them.
Why has it become fashionable to coddle teens who have no self-control?

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I really like the idea of forcing parents to attend school with their unruly children. It does need to be applied equally to those kids who kick teachers and those with ADHD and who cause multiple disruptions in the classroom.

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Implied bias *

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Anonymous wrote:I really like the idea of forcing parents to attend school with their unruly children. It does need to be applied equally to those kids who kick teachers and those with ADHD and who cause multiple disruptions in the classroom.

Or even better set up stocks in the town square where they can be pelted with rotten produce like the good old days!

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Anonymous wrote:I really like the idea of forcing parents to attend school with their unruly children. It does need to be applied equally to those kids who kick teachers and those with ADHD and who cause multiple disruptions in the classroom.

Or even better set up stocks in the town square where they can be pelted with rotten produce like the good old days!

What do you suggest? I guess you like circle talks. After a girl is sexually assaulted they all talk about it, right? That is basically pelting the victim over and over again, no?

So sick of the teachers and victims always being accountable, but the parents and students accused never are.

Enough

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Anonymous wrote:I really like the idea of forcing parents to attend school with their unruly children. It does need to be applied equally to those kids who kick teachers and those with ADHD and who cause multiple disruptions in the classroom.

Or even better set up stocks in the town square where they can be pelted with rotten produce like the good old days!

What do you suggest? I guess you like circle talks. After a girl is sexually assaulted they all talk about it, right? That is basically pelting the victim over and over again, no?

So sick of the teachers and victims always being accountable, but the parents and students accused never are.

Enough

Actually, I believe that's a matter for the police. The school system has no business in law enforcement.

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I'm so sick of that term.

overused

a complete joke - actually, Harvard's joke

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I'm so sick of that term.

overused

a complete joke - actually, Harvard's joke

I prefer racist too but people get so insulted when you say they are racist.

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Anonymous wrote:I really like the idea of forcing parents to attend school with their unruly children. It does need to be applied equally to those kids who kick teachers and those with ADHD and who cause multiple disruptions in the classroom.

Or even better set up stocks in the town square where they can be pelted with rotten produce like the good old days!

What do you suggest? I guess you like circle talks. After a girl is sexually assaulted they all talk about it, right? That is basically pelting the victim over and over again, no?

So sick of the teachers and victims always being accountable, but the parents and students accused never are.

Enough

Actually, I believe that's a matter for the police. The school system has no business in law enforcement.

What is a police matter? The schools don’t report the assaults, let alone suspend anyone. That is the whole point of restorative justice.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/community-members-question-effectiveness-of-mcps-restorative-justice-practices/