Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

More training and less pulling kids out of class = hell for teachers. So I guess if it a kid constantly acts out or doesn't listen or disrupts the entire class over and over again, the teacher just puts up with it because they are culturally different and it isn't
considered a serious offense by MCPS

My kid goes to a majority minority school in East county with it's fair share of behavioral issues. Most teachers allow the bad behavior to continue in class because they do not want to be labeled racist. My daughter (white) was called out for whispering in class while a group of AA kids are in the back of the class doing their own thing. The kids know who can get away with it and the race card is played all the time. So it looks like this type of environment will continue and the few teachers who try and discipline will be told to stop, unless the kid is white. The BOE really needs to step outside and visit these schools, unannounced to see what is really going on. And unless you have kids in those schools listed in the article, you have no clue how bad it is.
I would love to know which culture promotes disrupting a classroom. And I would love to know what trivial things AA and Hispanic kids are getting suspended for. Again, I urge the BOE and council to do a few surprise visits to these schools and I bet they will realize that restorative justice is bullshit and remedial schools need to come back.

[Anonymous]

How in the world will “cultural training” help decrease suspensions. What are kids doing wrong that is culturally ok in school that teachers are suspending them for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So now we will remove the 2.0 GPA requirement for sports because it isn't fair to minorities and we will purposely decrease suspensions too.

Seems right. Seems safe.

How do these teachers do it? No thanks. Even a 6 figure salary is not enough to keep the best in it when you have these kind of stipulations.

It wasn't enough for me.

same for the pension - I needed another 7 years.

I'm out!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/black-hispanic-students-disproportionately-suspended-in-mcps-data-show/?fbclid=IwAR35pQ6w_d5xvMEZpE1r3rRc9rv61da9RxqTUwuhjLRbM-FZqimbFHmplak

The county says it needs to work on how unfair this is.

Meanwhile, parents everywhere are once again, not accountable.

This is terrible and totally explains "white flight" and why many of us with concern for kids learning in the classroom will do whatever we can to stay away from schools like the ones listed in the article. Basically according to the below kids shouldn't be removed from classes if they're yelling, swearing, or verbally abusing the teacher and other students because it's not considered "serious". Wow, just wow:

“In Montgomery County, it has frankly just started to be treated seriously,” Johns said of black and Hispanic students’ suspension rates, “Because relative to other districts, we have a relatively low suspension rate overall, but the disparity is just as high as any other place.”

Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now we will remove the 2.0 GPA requirement for sports because it isn't fair to minorities and we will purposely decrease suspensions too.

Seems right. Seems safe.

How do these teachers do it? No thanks. Even a 6 figure salary is not enough to keep the best in it when you have these kind of stipulations.

It wasn't enough for me.

same for the pension - I needed another 7 years.

I'm out!

Bye Felicia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Also, don't forget that it's best to downplay anything. A kid hits another kid during PE? That's just kids being kids. Don't count it as 'assault'. Pretty much nothing in MCPS counts as 'physical assault'. Boys being raped in the locker rooms? Eh, it's just 'hazing'. I remember very distinctly that the press from MCPS after the Damascus rape case was exclusively about 'hazing' versus calling is sexual assault.

So true. The 18yr old illegal alien "freshman" having sex with another freshman in the hall at RM a few years ago? That was just kids being kids. No need to suspend them.

You mean the white male security guard!

Wasn't it a coach? The security guard was JW I thought.

There were 2 cases.. a coach and a security guard. The coach was considered legal (which is a loophole in the law), the security guard served < 2 years in prison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you think if Student A who is white does X and Student B who is black does X... the black student should be suspended and the white student should not be suspended?

No, I am saying that anyone who does X should get suspended. Teachers have already said here they can not suspend minorities the past 1-2 years, due to restorative justice - meaning until these "numbers" get fixed and the suspensions are even between blacks, hispanics, white and Asians. But they are not getting fixed. So now I am guessing we will suspend more white and asians to even it out.

What if X is looking at your phone during class or going to the bathroom and being late for class.

Teachers are disciplining black students for things they let white kids slide on.

It was clear in the article they are talking about minor violations.

Lets see the list then, why aren't they showing the age, race, and age of each child and what it was that got them suspended.

Because I highly doubt black kids are getting suspended for using their phone in class and whites are allowed to just scroll away

Blair HS students actually tested it out. They purposely had white and black kids do the exact same thing and documented the treatment of black kids.

They were getting multiple violations that lead to a detention.

They wrote it up and presented it to the principal and school board... video is convenient.

There was also a study done for NBA referees and they also treat black players differently, and home teams differently... the study allowed them to made changes and education to fix the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you think if Student A who is white does X and Student B who is black does X... the black student should be suspended and the white student should not be suspended?

Black Student B is considered bad and white Student A is deemed to have a special need. I'm white and see it all the time. The fellow students who are disrupting my 6th grade daughter's classes (I see it most often with my 6th grader - her grade seems to have lots of difficult kids)? Both white girls who have no impulse control. Not the brown/black kids.

Also Black Student B's parents are contacted less than white Student A's parents because teachers assume black parents don't care and will do nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How in the world will “cultural training” help decrease suspensions. What are kids doing wrong that is culturally ok in school that teachers are suspending them for.

https://www.edutopia.org/discussion/being-mindful-cultural-differences

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you think if Student A who is white does X and Student B who is black does X... the black student should be suspended and the white student should not be suspended?

No, I am saying that anyone who does X should get suspended. Teachers have already said here they can not suspend minorities the past 1-2 years, due to restorative justice - meaning until these "numbers" get fixed and the suspensions are even between blacks, hispanics, white and Asians. But they are not getting fixed. So now I am guessing we will suspend more white and asians to even it out.

What if X is looking at your phone during class or going to the bathroom and being late for class.

Teachers are disciplining black students for things they let white kids slide on.

It was clear in the article they are talking about minor violations.

Lets see the list then, why aren't they showing the age, race, and age of each child and what it was that got them suspended.

Because I highly doubt black kids are getting suspended for using their phone in class and whites are allowed to just scroll away

Blair HS students actually tested it out. They purposely had white and black kids do the exact same thing and documented the treatment of black kids.

They were getting multiple violations that lead to a detention.

They wrote it up and presented it to the principal and school board... video is convenient.

There was also a study done for NBA referees and they also treat black players differently, and home teams differently... the study allowed them to made changes and education to fix the issue.

Looking at the situation objectively, it seems possible/likely to me that unconscious bias seeps into MCPS discipline at times (at least in some schools), but that it is only the cause of a small portion of the disparity in the data. The problem I see here is that MCPS (and Docca in particular) seems to be suggesting that if there's any disparity in the data, it must be because of bias. That's not something proved here by any real data.

[Anonymous]

Fewer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Also, don't forget that it's best to downplay anything. A kid hits another kid during PE? That's just kids being kids. Don't count it as 'assault'. Pretty much nothing in MCPS counts as 'physical assault'. Boys being raped in the locker rooms? Eh, it's just 'hazing'. I remember very distinctly that the press from MCPS after the Damascus rape case was exclusively about 'hazing' versus calling is sexual assault.

So true. The 18yr old illegal alien "freshman" having sex with another freshman in the hall at RM a few years ago? That was just kids being kids. No need to suspend them.

Just to be accurate. That was Rockville HS, and it was all 'consensual' despite the fact that the girl was 14.

The RM case was a security team leader having sex with a student.

Nope, there was an incident where a new 18yr old "freshman" was in the school and had sex with a 14yr old actual freshman under the stairs in the hall and his friends posted it on Facebook live. This was RM. I know the case at Rockville and the teacher sexually assaulting students. This was another case and nothing was done about it, even though he was an adult because he was brought here on asylum or something. 18yr old freshman finished school there that year, but never came back. Someone said he dropped out. 14yr old mortified, I believe she transferred or dropped out. My kids never saw her again

Oh, wow. I'm sorry, thank you for the correction. I hadn't heard that story at all, and assumed you were talking about the Rockville case. That's terrible.

How did I miss the story at RM?? Oh, wait, I know - it goes against MCPS politics, so it likely got swept under the rug by MCPS and the news media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a mixed race kid (AA and white) who is 2- this is already on our minds when looking at schools.

My DH was (and is still) friends with mostly wealthy, white kids. One kid took the cops on a high speed chase through HoCo after being pulled over for a DUI. He got probation and a fine. If he was a minority, he would've been shot.

There are ingrained stereotypes that we all carry with us. Teachers and administrations are not exempt from this and data does not lie. More minority kids are suspended for lesser offenses and non-minority kids can tag a school with offense images (see reference to VA tagging in article about Glenelg "Among black families like hers, there were doubts that the white teens would face the kind of punishment black teens receive for similar crimes. Two years earlier, a group of students had painted swastikas on a historic black schoolhouse in Northern Virginia. A Loudoun County judge sentenced them not to jail time or community service, but to reading: along with visiting the Holocaust museum, each had to choose a single book about Nazi Germany or the Jim Crow era and write a report on it")

Every day, all day across the country.

Little white kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class=ADD/ADHD. Little black kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class= thug, bad parenting, disruptive, etc.

+1

IDK why the first reaction isn't - IT"S ABOUT TIME! I was horrified when my kindergartner and early elementary kids came home and said "kids with brown skin get in trouble a lot". They were taking this in just from being in school together, and generalizing from it. I am a huge fan of MCPS restorative justice. If little kids can see the differences in how students of color are treated so easily, why is it so hard for adults?

Because parents of older kids have seen how the restorative justice practices are COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE! And, how under MCPS leadership, and the current BOE, we have seen a huge decline in discipline at school, and a huge increase in terrible behavior. Day in and day out.

Again, wait until you get to MS and see what goes on. Any parent (white, black, brown, yellow or green) that listen to their kids stories of the bad behavior they witness on a daily basis recognizes that restorative justice and PBIS are useless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a mixed race kid (AA and white) who is 2- this is already on our minds when looking at schools.

My DH was (and is still) friends with mostly wealthy, white kids. One kid took the cops on a high speed chase through HoCo after being pulled over for a DUI. He got probation and a fine. If he was a minority, he would've been shot.

There are ingrained stereotypes that we all carry with us. Teachers and administrations are not exempt from this and data does not lie. More minority kids are suspended for lesser offenses and non-minority kids can tag a school with offense images (see reference to VA tagging in article about Glenelg "Among black families like hers, there were doubts that the white teens would face the kind of punishment black teens receive for similar crimes. Two years earlier, a group of students had painted swastikas on a historic black schoolhouse in Northern Virginia. A Loudoun County judge sentenced them not to jail time or community service, but to reading: along with visiting the Holocaust museum, each had to choose a single book about Nazi Germany or the Jim Crow era and write a report on it")

Every day, all day across the country.

Little white kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class=ADD/ADHD. Little black kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class= thug, bad parenting, disruptive, etc.

+1

IDK why the first reaction isn't - IT"S ABOUT TIME! I was horrified when my kindergartner and early elementary kids came home and said "kids with brown skin get in trouble a lot". They were taking this in just from being in school together, and generalizing from it. I am a huge fan of MCPS restorative justice. If little kids can see the differences in how students of color are treated so easily, why is it so hard for adults?

Maybe your child is picking up on the fact that, in your school, kids with brown skin have more behavior problems. Or, I suppose it could be that all the teachers in your school are racists. But, I think it's probably the former.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now we will remove the 2.0 GPA requirement for sports because it isn't fair to minorities and we will purposely decrease suspensions too.

Seems right. Seems safe.

How do these teachers do it? No thanks. Even a 6 figure salary is not enough to keep the best in it when you have these kind of stipulations.

It wasn't enough for me.

same for the pension - I needed another 7 years.

I'm out!

Bye Felicia

Bye!

I can't tell you how good it feels to be free of that prison.

So, depending upon your circumstances,
1.good luck in receiving consistent education for your kids and/or
2. Start looking for a good therapist who helps teachers survive.