Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

+ 1 billion....but that is a VERY unpopular mindset these days. The more the schools try to do, the less people intrinsically feel responsible to do. And the less they are doing. Foist the problems back onto the schools because that is where they are misbehaving and disrupting others. But the problem stems from home or should be dealt with from there. In the long run it will solve more problems if our culture begins to believe in personal responsibility again.

What's your plan for getting parents to do what you think parents should do?

Not the PP, but a mandatory parent or guardian sit-in for a school day. Or at least half day. County-wide. Just like jury duty. Show a letter to employer. Instead of suspension, the parent needs to come in and spend the day with the student. Observe each class from the back, watch lunch, PE, etc...

Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.

BRILLIANT!!!

This is what is called accountability. Many don’t like that. They will shout unfair for sure. But I think it is what school systems need.

How is this brilliant? The parents just won't show up and the student will still face zero actual consequences.

I'd say at least half of parents would indeed show up, and it would probably help.

In the Damascus rape case, the ringleader had been transferred from multiple other schools due to behavioral issues. His mother would not do anything about his behavior, so all school officials could do was transfer the problem around. But my guess is most parents aren't like that.

The child is not allowed back in the school until a parent, guardian, or grandparent comes. It is simple as having rules and administration with some balls.

And I am shocked that kids just get moved all around. If I was one of the parent's of the victims, I would be suing the country and asking for changes. That ringleader should have been in RICA or just homeschooled if there are so many issues. That is appalling . Same thing MCPS does with their sexual predator teachers. Just bounces them around and ignores the problem.

[magrathean]

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Anonymous wrote:If the kid can't return to school unless parent shows up, parent will show up.

I wish. I've had kids suspended whose parents don't show up for the in-take meeting. Parents either send the kid in on the bus or drive up to a neighboring corner and drop them off. I then have the kid sit in the office for hours while trying to get the parent to answer the phone. It's reached points where I've had to have grandparents called so that SOMEONE comes in and meets with us and the student. Sends a terrible message to everyone involved.

And this is where Admins fail by not doing what they are legally required to do. Dropping off your child like that (the child has been suspended from school and so the parent is legally responsible for them that day) can be argued to fall under the definition of child abuse. At that point, what MCPS should be doing is what they are legally required to do; namely call Child Protective Services and reporting the parent.

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Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

+ 1 billion....but that is a VERY unpopular mindset these days. The more the schools try to do, the less people intrinsically feel responsible to do. And the less they are doing. Foist the problems back onto the schools because that is where they are misbehaving and disrupting others. But the problem stems from home or should be dealt with from there. In the long run it will solve more problems if our culture begins to believe in personal responsibility again.

What's your plan for getting parents to do what you think parents should do?

Not the PP, but a mandatory parent or guardian sit-in for a school day. Or at least half day. County-wide. Just like jury duty. Show a letter to employer. Instead of suspension, the parent needs to come in and spend the day with the student. Observe each class from the back, watch lunch, PE, etc...

Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.

BRILLIANT!!!

This is what is called accountability. Many don’t like that. They will shout unfair for sure. But I think it is what school systems need.

How is this brilliant? The parents just won't show up and the student will still face zero actual consequences.

I'd say at least half of parents would indeed show up, and it would probably help.

In the Damascus rape case, the ringleader had been transferred from multiple other schools due to behavioral issues. His mother would not do anything about his behavior, so all school officials could do was transfer the problem around. But my guess is most parents aren't like that.

The child is not allowed back in the school until a parent, guardian, or grandparent comes. It is simple as having rules and administration with some balls.

And I am shocked that kids just get moved all around. If I was one of the parent's of the victims, I would be suing the country and asking for changes. That ringleader should have been in RICA or just homeschooled if there are so many issues. That is appalling . Same thing MCPS does with their sexual predator teachers. Just bounces them around and ignores the problem.

Agree completely. We see MCPS do this with kids who have had issues at other schools - simply move them to a different school. We see MCPS do this with staff who have had issues -- simply move them to a different school.

ZEro accountability.

[Anonymous]

I'm so glad to hear that MCPS is using these forward-thinking measures instead of the older methods which never worked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm so glad to hear that MCPS is using these forward-thinking measures instead of the older methods which never worked.

Please explain how this is working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm so glad to hear that MCPS is using these forward-thinking measures instead of the older methods which never worked.

What older methods specifically did not work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So now we will remove the 2.0 GPA requirement for sports because it isn't fair to minorities and we will purposely decrease suspensions too.

Seems right. Seems safe.

How do these teachers do it? No thanks. Even a 6 figure salary is not enough to keep the best in it when you have these kind of stipulations.

What is restorative justice?

[Anonymous]

What’s in place now is certainly NOT working. Why not try something else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s in place now is certainly NOT working. Why not try something else?

Restorative juice has been in place now for a few years. Started in 2017 and rolled out to most schools by 2018.

Look at how this girl who was sexually assaulted, thinks of restorative justice.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/community-members-question-effectiveness-of-mcps-restorative-justice-practices/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

+ 1 billion....but that is a VERY unpopular mindset these days. The more the schools try to do, the less people intrinsically feel responsible to do. And the less they are doing. Foist the problems back onto the schools because that is where they are misbehaving and disrupting others. But the problem stems from home or should be dealt with from there. In the long run it will solve more problems if our culture begins to believe in personal responsibility again.

What's your plan for getting parents to do what you think parents should do?

Not the PP, but a mandatory parent or guardian sit-in for a school day. Or at least half day. County-wide. Just like jury duty. Show a letter to employer. Instead of suspension, the parent needs to come in and spend the day with the student. Observe each class from the back, watch lunch, PE, etc...

Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.

BRILLIANT!!!

This is what is called accountability. Many don’t like that. They will shout unfair for sure. But I think it is what school systems need.

How is this brilliant? The parents just won't show up and the student will still face zero actual consequences.

I'd say at least half of parents would indeed show up, and it would probably help.

In the Damascus rape case, the ringleader had been transferred from multiple other schools due to behavioral issues. His mother would not do anything about his behavior, so all school officials could do was transfer the problem around. But my guess is most parents aren't like that.

The child is not allowed back in the school until a parent, guardian, or grandparent comes. It is simple as having rules and administration with some balls.

And I am shocked that kids just get moved all around. If I was one of the parent's of the victims, I would be suing the country and asking for changes. That ringleader should have been in RICA or just homeschooled if there are so many issues. That is appalling . Same thing MCPS does with their sexual predator teachers. Just bounces them around and ignores the problem.

I love the idea of the parent shadowing the kid for half a day or more. If my kid got in trouble I would love to do this. I almost think every parent should shadow or help out in the class half a day. Parents need to own up to becoming more involved in their child’s education. It’s amazing how involved parents are at sports and other outside activities, but maybe 20 parents from a 1500 kid school show up for PTA meetings or help out in any way for a teacher or school. It is really sad.

[Anonymous]

I have never seen a student moved to a different school due to behavior. What I have seen is parents work the system to get a COSA. Particularly if the student is a minority or the family can not afford after school care. So, when the family and student burns all the bridges at one school either they apply for a new COSA claiming bullying or some other problem. Kid goes to new school. Kid and family continues being a train wreck, so the COSA gets overturned and kid goes back to old school or another school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s in place now is certainly NOT working. Why not try something else?

Restorative juice has been in place now for a few years. Started in 2017 and rolled out to most schools by 2018.

Look at how this girl who was sexually assaulted, thinks of restorative justice.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/community-members-question-effectiveness-of-mcps-restorative-justice-practices/

Well, they create a sense of belonging. But, certainly not for the victims.

Parents, contact the police if anything even remotely comes up with your kids. Don’t ever trust MCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s in place now is certainly NOT working. Why not try something else?

Restorative juice has been in place now for a few years. Started in 2017 and rolled out to most schools by 2018.

Look at how this girl who was sexually assaulted, thinks of restorative justice.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/community-members-question-effectiveness-of-mcps-restorative-justice-practices/

Well, they create a sense of belonging. But, certainly not for the victims.

Parents, contact the police if anything even remotely comes up with your kids. Don’t ever trust MCPS.

These are kids. They shouldn’t have to do a circle if they’re not comfortable, and parents should be involved, but the aggressors are also kids. Kids do things for different reasons than adults and with different degrees of understanding of the meaning of what they do and how their actions affect others. I don’t know what grade level the harassers were from the posted article, but expecting them to grow and learn and change their behavior is important, and restorative justice is one way to try to accomplish that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s in place now is certainly NOT working. Why not try something else?

Restorative juice has been in place now for a few years. Started in 2017 and rolled out to most schools by 2018.

Look at how this girl who was sexually assaulted, thinks of restorative justice.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/community-members-question-effectiveness-of-mcps-restorative-justice-practices/

Well, they create a sense of belonging. But, certainly not for the victims.

Parents, contact the police if anything even remotely comes up with your kids. Don’t ever trust MCPS.

These are kids. They shouldn’t have to do a circle if they’re not comfortable, and parents should be involved, but the aggressors are also kids. Kids do things for different reasons than adults and with different degrees of understanding of the meaning of what they do and how their actions affect others. I don’t know what grade level the harassers were from the posted article, but expecting them to grow and learn and change their behavior is important, and restorative justice is one way to try to accomplish that.

Yes but not at the expense of other kids and teachers. I.e if they repeatedly continue to abuse others, they should be removed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have never seen a student moved to a different school due to behavior. What I have seen is parents work the system to get a COSA. Particularly if the student is a minority or the family can not afford after school care. So, when the family and student burns all the bridges at one school either they apply for a new COSA claiming bullying or some other problem. Kid goes to new school. Kid and family continues being a train wreck, so the COSA gets overturned and kid goes back to old school or another school.

Who are you to say "I have never seen"

It was shown and proven one of the Damascus convicted was moved from multiple schools BY MCPS. You honestly think parents that can not control their kids are spending time getting COSA's? Come on now. Maybe for a few entitled parents who just think it is the school and not their kid. But that is rare.