You are reaching because you know transwomen in pro sports are plain wrong. |
Oh. Yeah. All those Pro Sports women making millions of dollars like men in the NBA, NFL, MLB.
And I'm not reaching. I'm trying to educate you. There are many more biologically Intersex and other biologically gender diverse than trans people. Some estimates are 1% of humans have some intersex traits. |
O.k. that does not make a guy like Jenner Intersex. |
So what category do you put Intersex people in for sports? I'm just trying to open your mind to the idea that biological sex is more complicated than man=has penis=has testosterone. The black and white thinking has got to go. |
Honestly, I would expect that this issue would have been worked out for the person long before they were playing competitive sports. It's not like they get to Olympic level competition and suddenly realize that they need to compete as a man or a woman. I also don't think that a person can start off competing as a man and then suddenly decided that they should be competing as a woman after all. I'm sure that this stuff comes up in competitive sports and it's dealt with on an individual level. As you state some cases are less clear cut than others are. |
If you were born with a penis you compete in men's sports. The end. 1% you talk about are not the epidemic we are seeing today. No way should Kaitlyn Jenner compete in any women's competitions. This is plain gaming the system that women fought so hard for in sports. |
There isn't an "epidemic" of trans people. Step away from Gox News. What about people with 5a reductase deficiency who are born with female genitalia but grow Male genitalia when they hit puberty? Where do they compete? |
You are talking about very rare medical issues that would be best dealt with at the individual athlete level. Trying to make rules that apply in a broad brush sort of way is only going to open the door to gaming the system - not in anyone's best interests. |
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Oh, yes, so many people around with reductase deficiency around us. I am a Bernie Sanders kind of liberal, but I stand firm on this. Transwomen have no place in girls or women's sports. Enough is enough. Next time when we have Rachel Dolezal, or a Elizabeth Warren claiming she is Native and we tell them to shut up, we tell the same exact thing to transwoman that wants to compete in women's sports. I am happy to accept anyone as any sex they feel or want to be. Just don't send your 6'5" boy to beat up my dd in volleyball in high school when it is not a coed team. This is simply taking it too far. Most of them do not even go through a full transition. That is some extra crappy BS to prevent my and your daughter from having a fair chance in women's sports. Men have significantly higher testosterone levels, do you know that a college level tennis player can beat Serena Willams? And not that is not just McEnroe talking trash. And not even the best one! They find sparring partners from college players and they travel with them on tour to have a strong hitting partner.
To me it is exactly the same as steroid use, we forbid that as unfair, correct? |
that's exactly my point. Biological sex is complicated and trying to make rules like penis=man isn't in anyone's best interests. |
And exactly how many Trans athletes are there that you are so freaked out about? More than Intersex? And what about people with female genitalia who have naturally high testosterone? Where is your cut off? 5 nanomoles/L? |
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After Obama, my far left cousins felt even more entitled to our money as they barely worked.
They didn't think it was fair that we were wealthy and supported a ridiculous income tax as well as a significant increase in minimum wage and union power. Yeah.... They're a lovely bunch. |
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My mom and cousin were talking about the upcoming presidential election. My mom doesn’t particularly care for trump because she views him as immoral. But she said she’d rather have Trump re-elected than have a woman president. And definitely not a black man. “We’ve already seen what a black man would do.”
She’s always been racist, but she used to keep her mouth shut around me. I don’t know if it’s age or the new culture where it’s fine to say racist stuff. Or both. |
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No. In my world, most people don't discuss politics anymore, at all. They only talk to people they are sure are on their side.
Your in laws sound like jerks and I would not expose myself or my half minority children to them. |