Man dies after unprovoked attack by teens at Frederick fair

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Anonymous wrote:There's a video - it looks like there was some kind of confrontation. The teens knocked him and he quickly feel to the ground, probably hit his head very hard. It was short, not a prolonged attack. But awful, nevertheless.

For the life of me, I do not understand what compels people with the Y chromosome to do this sort of thing. Yes of course "not all men" but violence (random or otherwise) is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. And it's a problem.

But you do understand why women drown their children or drive them strapped into a car into a lake. Because you're a woman.

Pregnancy hormones can be severe and can royally F with a woman's head.

What major life event do men experience, that's comparable? That they... just exist?

OK, if hormones are the excuse, men have testosterone, and not just a few times per lifetime as with pregnancy, but all the time after puberty. And believe me, testosterone really Fs with your head (see: teenagers, male, frequent misbehavior of). You could even call this crime a case in point!

Show me the documentation of testosterone directly causing psychosis. Such as when post partum psychosis causes women to drown their children. If you can show me literature discussing testosterone causing medically diagnosable psychosis- where the victim is detatched from reality and unable to recognize right from wrong, danger from safety, etc- then we can talk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame they couldn't have been sent to boarding school 7 or 8 years ago where they would have had some rules, socialization and counseling. Take the food stamps and whatever other benefits the parents are getting and give the money to the boarding school. If the parents want to actually parent their children and regain custody then they will need to fully comply with whatever interventions are deemed appropriate for their children.

I know you're saying this facetiously, but as the (white, priveleged) mom of a 7 year old with some pretty bad behavior problems -- it took a LOT of resources to address them. Therapy @ $200 hr, because the evidence-based therapy is never covered by insurance. Time off work for the therapy. An IEP I insisted on in the face of the school trying to deny it. The ability to reduce stress in my own life so I could be able to implement the therapy. A person struggling with the inability to connect with services, stress due to poverty, part-time or erratically scheduled jobs, stressful service work, bad housing conditions, relatives in jail ... is going to find it almost insurmountable.

... and just to add -- I find it totally heartbreaking that other moms cannot access these same services, because they WORK. If as a society we are not willing to devote the resources to helping parents parent well, then this is what we get.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a video - it looks like there was some kind of confrontation. The teens knocked him and he quickly feel to the ground, probably hit his head very hard. It was short, not a prolonged attack. But awful, nevertheless.

For the life of me, I do not understand what compels people with the Y chromosome to do this sort of thing. Yes of course "not all men" but violence (random or otherwise) is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. And it's a problem.

But you do understand why women drown their children or drive them strapped into a car into a lake. Because you're a woman.

Pregnancy hormones can be severe and can royally F with a woman's head.

What major life event do men experience, that's comparable? That they... just exist?

OK, if hormones are the excuse, men have testosterone, and not just a few times per lifetime as with pregnancy, but all the time after puberty. And believe me, testosterone really Fs with your head (see: teenagers, male, frequent misbehavior of). You could even call this crime a case in point!

Translation: Yes, just by existing and not going through a major hormonal health event, males are violent. Yeah... you're not really helping making the terrible point you're trying to make.

Women who kill their children do not all have postpartum psychosis. Plenty of them are just bad. Bad people. Whatever their hormones or chromosomes.

Some of them, absolutely! How many cases a year are there of women murdering their own children? Vs cases a year of men murdering other humans? Stop with the whataboutism and focus on the fact that violent young men are leading cause of death to others, in this country. Post partum women aren't,

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Anonymous wrote:There's a video - it looks like there was some kind of confrontation. The teens knocked him and he quickly feel to the ground, probably hit his head very hard. It was short, not a prolonged attack. But awful, nevertheless.

For the life of me, I do not understand what compels people with the Y chromosome to do this sort of thing. Yes of course "not all men" but violence (random or otherwise) is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. And it's a problem.

But you do understand why women drown their children or drive them strapped into a car into a lake. Because you're a woman.

Pregnancy hormones can be severe and can royally F with a woman's head.

What major life event do men experience, that's comparable? That they... just exist?

OK, if hormones are the excuse, men have testosterone, and not just a few times per lifetime as with pregnancy, but all the time after puberty. And believe me, testosterone really Fs with your head (see: teenagers, male, frequent misbehavior of). You could even call this crime a case in point!

Translation: Yes, just by existing and not going through a major hormonal health event, males are violent. Yeah... you're not really helping making the terrible point you're trying to make.

Women who kill their children do not all have postpartum psychosis. Plenty of them are just bad. Bad people. Whatever their hormones or chromosomes.

How many women just kill and randomly attack people without postpartum psychosis, compared to the men who just kill (and assault, and molest, and rape, etc) people because they're bad people... what's that ratio? How do those numbers stack up?

Men and women, we're all human. The problem isn't men, it's us.

These boys were raised by mothers, there was a girl behind the camera involved in this incident. This wasn't testosterone, it was people.

OMG so it's the girls/womens fault that men do this sort of thing??? Hahahahahahahahahahaha

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame they couldn't have been sent to boarding school 7 or 8 years ago where they would have had some rules, socialization and counseling. Take the food stamps and whatever other benefits the parents are getting and give the money to the boarding school. If the parents want to actually parent their children and regain custody then they will need to fully comply with whatever interventions are deemed appropriate for their children.

I know you're saying this facetiously, but as the (white, priveleged) mom of a 7 year old with some pretty bad behavior problems -- it took a LOT of resources to address them. Therapy @ $200 hr, because the evidence-based therapy is never covered by insurance. Time off work for the therapy. An IEP I insisted on in the face of the school trying to deny it. The ability to reduce stress in my own life so I could be able to implement the therapy. A person struggling with the inability to connect with services, stress due to poverty, part-time or erratically scheduled jobs, stressful service work, bad housing conditions, relatives in jail ... is going to find it almost insurmountable.

No. I'm dead serious. I've seen low income parents who have had some obstacles to overcome with their kids - they love their kids and provide a good home, loving care, supervision and appropriate discipline. I've also seen parents who simply do not GAF. I am going to guess that this group of teenagers came from the don't GAF variety of parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame they couldn't have been sent to boarding school 7 or 8 years ago where they would have had some rules, socialization and counseling. Take the food stamps and whatever other benefits the parents are getting and give the money to the boarding school. If the parents want to actually parent their children and regain custody then they will need to fully comply with whatever interventions are deemed appropriate for their children.

Let's go farther back- give the kids (because they were probably kids) who have these babies who turn into criminals (because underprivileged children cannot raise productive citizens)--- easy access to birth control AND Plan B AND abortions (sorry to say).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame they couldn't have been sent to boarding school 7 or 8 years ago where they would have had some rules, socialization and counseling. Take the food stamps and whatever other benefits the parents are getting and give the money to the boarding school. If the parents want to actually parent their children and regain custody then they will need to fully comply with whatever interventions are deemed appropriate for their children.

I know you're saying this facetiously, but as the (white, priveleged) mom of a 7 year old with some pretty bad behavior problems -- it took a LOT of resources to address them. Therapy @ $200 hr, because the evidence-based therapy is never covered by insurance. Time off work for the therapy. An IEP I insisted on in the face of the school trying to deny it. The ability to reduce stress in my own life so I could be able to implement the therapy. A person struggling with the inability to connect with services, stress due to poverty, part-time or erratically scheduled jobs, stressful service work, bad housing conditions, relatives in jail ... is going to find it almost insurmountable.

No. I'm dead serious. I've seen low income parents who have had some obstacles to overcome with their kids - they love their kids and provide a good home, loving care, supervision and appropriate discipline. I've also seen parents who simply do not GAF. I am going to guess that this group of teenagers came from the don't GAF variety of parents.

And I'm saying that if you have a kid with serious behavioral issues, a "good home, loving care, supervision, and appropriate discipline" are NOT enough. My son had ALL of that, and I still needed a tremendous amount of resources and privilege to be able to help him. Plus, the whole point is that generational poverty undermines the ability to provide a good home and appropriate discipline. For example, my son's discipline depends on doing the same particular thing at the same exact time every day. Are you aware that most minimum wage jobs don't give uniform schedules? If I never knew when I was going to be home and when I was going to be at work, I would not be able to do that.

Almost all parents want to be good parents, but it's not enough to just say that they must be good parents by force of their own character, while we as a society grind down their ability to be good parents. parenting takes tremendous resources, and we deny them that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a video - it looks like there was some kind of confrontation. The teens knocked him and he quickly feel to the ground, probably hit his head very hard. It was short, not a prolonged attack. But awful, nevertheless.

For the life of me, I do not understand what compels people with the Y chromosome to do this sort of thing. Yes of course "not all men" but violence (random or otherwise) is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. And it's a problem.

But you do understand why women drown their children or drive them strapped into a car into a lake. Because you're a woman.

Pregnancy hormones can be severe and can royally F with a woman's head.

What major life event do men experience, that's comparable? That they... just exist?

OK, if hormones are the excuse, men have testosterone, and not just a few times per lifetime as with pregnancy, but all the time after puberty. And believe me, testosterone really Fs with your head (see: teenagers, male, frequent misbehavior of). You could even call this crime a case in point!

Translation: Yes, just by existing and not going through a major hormonal health event, males are violent. Yeah... you're not really helping making the terrible point you're trying to make.

Women who kill their children do not all have postpartum psychosis. Plenty of them are just bad. Bad people. Whatever their hormones or chromosomes.

How many women just kill and randomly attack people without postpartum psychosis, compared to the men who just kill (and assault, and molest, and rape, etc) people because they're bad people... what's that ratio? How do those numbers stack up?

Men and women, we're all human. The problem isn't men, it's us.

These boys were raised by mothers, there was a girl behind the camera involved in this incident. This wasn't testosterone, it was people.

OMG so it's the girls/womens fault that men do this sort of thing??? Hahahahahahahahahahaha

That awful girl was egging those boys on. So, yep, she is also responsible for this!

[Anonymous]

In a few short seconds, the video shows some people recording, some watching, and some fanning the flames. At the peak of this sparked hysteria, a man is punched and spat in the face; and very soon his life is over. At a county fair.

In times like these, I think of something Mr. Rogers once shared during one of his episodes many years ago. You've probably read it before. He said when he was a boy and would see scary things in the news, his mother would say to him, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping." Wise words, indeed. I have my own kids and I use this to help explain tragedies to them - which unfortunately, are all too often.

Naturally, we feel for this man, on a human level. We also feel anger toward the perpetrators. Sometimes that anger may make us lash out and act or say or post things we know are hurtful to others. Further magnifying the pain from the one awful act.

Maybe it's just me getting older; or maybe it's the hermitical life-style I've happily chosen, but I find myself worrying a lot nowadays about the human condition. As a middle aged black man, and like many of you, I've seen some dark days in our country - from a county fair to the White House. I find all of it disturbing. And one of the saddest things is, I don't see the helpers.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a video - it looks like there was some kind of confrontation. The teens knocked him and he quickly feel to the ground, probably hit his head very hard. It was short, not a prolonged attack. But awful, nevertheless.

For the life of me, I do not understand what compels people with the Y chromosome to do this sort of thing. Yes of course "not all men" but violence (random or otherwise) is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. And it's a problem.

But you do understand why women drown their children or drive them strapped into a car into a lake. Because you're a woman.

Pregnancy hormones can be severe and can royally F with a woman's head.

What major life event do men experience, that's comparable? That they... just exist?

OK, if hormones are the excuse, men have testosterone, and not just a few times per lifetime as with pregnancy, but all the time after puberty. And believe me, testosterone really Fs with your head (see: teenagers, male, frequent misbehavior of). You could even call this crime a case in point!

Translation: Yes, just by existing and not going through a major hormonal health event, males are violent. Yeah... you're not really helping making the terrible point you're trying to make.

Women who kill their children do not all have postpartum psychosis. Plenty of them are just bad. Bad people. Whatever their hormones or chromosomes.

How many women just kill and randomly attack people without postpartum psychosis, compared to the men who just kill (and assault, and molest, and rape, etc) people because they're bad people... what's that ratio? How do those numbers stack up?

Men and women, we're all human. The problem isn't men, it's us.

These boys were raised by mothers, there was a girl behind the camera involved in this incident. This wasn't testosterone, it was people.

OMG so it's the girls/womens fault that men do this sort of thing??? Hahahahahahahahahahaha

That awful girl was egging those boys on. So, yep, she is also responsible for this!

She sounds like a horrible human being who should be charged with something, and who never deserves another happy day in her life. But- she didn't murder the guy. The teenage boy did. In the eyes of the law, the two crimes are not the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame they couldn't have been sent to boarding school 7 or 8 years ago where they would have had some rules, socialization and counseling. Take the food stamps and whatever other benefits the parents are getting and give the money to the boarding school. If the parents want to actually parent their children and regain custody then they will need to fully comply with whatever interventions are deemed appropriate for their children.

I know you're saying this facetiously, but as the (white, priveleged) mom of a 7 year old with some pretty bad behavior problems -- it took a LOT of resources to address them. Therapy @ $200 hr, because the evidence-based therapy is never covered by insurance. Time off work for the therapy. An IEP I insisted on in the face of the school trying to deny it. The ability to reduce stress in my own life so I could be able to implement the therapy. A person struggling with the inability to connect with services, stress due to poverty, part-time or erratically scheduled jobs, stressful service work, bad housing conditions, relatives in jail ... is going to find it almost insurmountable.

No. I'm dead serious. I've seen low income parents who have had some obstacles to overcome with their kids - they love their kids and provide a good home, loving care, supervision and appropriate discipline. I've also seen parents who simply do not GAF. I am going to guess that this group of teenagers came from the don't GAF variety of parents.

And I'm saying that if you have a kid with serious behavioral issues, a "good home, loving care, supervision, and appropriate discipline" are NOT enough. My son had ALL of that, and I still needed a tremendous amount of resources and privilege to be able to help him. Plus, the whole point is that generational poverty undermines the ability to provide a good home and appropriate discipline. For example, my son's discipline depends on doing the same particular thing at the same exact time every day. Are you aware that most minimum wage jobs don't give uniform schedules? If I never knew when I was going to be home and when I was going to be at work, I would not be able to do that.

Almost all parents want to be good parents, but it's not enough to just say that they must be good parents by force of their own character, while we as a society grind down their ability to be good parents. parenting takes tremendous resources, and we deny them that.

Was your son ever running around the fair, completely unsupervised with a pack of his friends punching random, innocent strangers? I will bet that's a big no. I'm sure you had some problems to contend with but you hadn't been been throwing up your hands and saying "Nothing I can do about that!" ever since your kid was a toddler.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's a video - it looks like there was some kind of confrontation. The teens knocked him and he quickly feel to the ground, probably hit his head very hard. It was short, not a prolonged attack. But awful, nevertheless.

For the life of me, I do not understand what compels people with the Y chromosome to do this sort of thing. Yes of course "not all men" but violence (random or otherwise) is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. And it's a problem.

But you do understand why women drown their children or drive them strapped into a car into a lake. Because you're a woman.

Pregnancy hormones can be severe and can royally F with a woman's head.

What major life event do men experience, that's comparable? That they... just exist?

OK, if hormones are the excuse, men have testosterone, and not just a few times per lifetime as with pregnancy, but all the time after puberty. And believe me, testosterone really Fs with your head (see: teenagers, male, frequent misbehavior of). You could even call this crime a case in point!

Translation: Yes, just by existing and not going through a major hormonal health event, males are violent. Yeah... you're not really helping making the terrible point you're trying to make.

Women who kill their children do not all have postpartum psychosis. Plenty of them are just bad. Bad people. Whatever their hormones or chromosomes.

How many women just kill and randomly attack people without postpartum psychosis, compared to the men who just kill (and assault, and molest, and rape, etc) people because they're bad people... what's that ratio? How do those numbers stack up?

Men and women, we're all human. The problem isn't men, it's us.

These boys were raised by mothers, there was a girl behind the camera involved in this incident. This wasn't testosterone, it was people.

OMG so it's the girls/womens fault that men do this sort of thing??? Hahahahahahahahahahaha

That awful girl was egging those boys on. So, yep, she is also responsible for this!

She sounds like a horrible human being who should be charged with something, and who never deserves another happy day in her life. But- she didn't murder the guy. The teenage boy did. In the eyes of the law, the two crimes are not the same.

O.k.....that doesn't mean that she's innocent. She should be held accountable and charged accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In a few short seconds, the video shows some people recording, some watching, and some fanning the flames. At the peak of this sparked hysteria, a man is punched and spat in the face; and very soon his life is over. At a county fair.

In times like these, I think of something Mr. Rogers once shared during one of his episodes many years ago. You've probably read it before. He said when he was a boy and would see scary things in the news, his mother would say to him, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping." Wise words, indeed. I have my own kids and I use this to help explain tragedies to them - which unfortunately, are all too often.

Naturally, we feel for this man, on a human level. We also feel anger toward the perpetrators. Sometimes that anger may make us lash out and act or say or post things we know are hurtful to others. Further magnifying the pain from the one awful act.

Maybe it's just me getting older; or maybe it's the hermitical life-style I've happily chosen, but I find myself worrying a lot nowadays about the human condition. As a middle aged black man, and like many of you, I've seen some dark days in our country - from a county fair to the White House. I find all of it disturbing. And one of the saddest things is, I don't see the helpers.

Well said, but some people must have come to his aid and requested medical help; and alerted the police and provided information that lead to the swift arrest of the suspects.

News tends to focus on that which is out of the ordinary, like crimes. No one is writing a news story about the average person living their uneventful life, which is the typical case.

[Anonymous]

The sad thing is that this father probably went to the fair because he thought that sending his daughter alone with a couple of friends wouldn't have been safe in this day in age.

He was sadly very right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame they couldn't have been sent to boarding school 7 or 8 years ago where they would have had some rules, socialization and counseling. Take the food stamps and whatever other benefits the parents are getting and give the money to the boarding school. If the parents want to actually parent their children and regain custody then they will need to fully comply with whatever interventions are deemed appropriate for their children.

I know you're saying this facetiously, but as the (white, priveleged) mom of a 7 year old with some pretty bad behavior problems -- it took a LOT of resources to address them. Therapy @ $200 hr, because the evidence-based therapy is never covered by insurance. Time off work for the therapy. An IEP I insisted on in the face of the school trying to deny it. The ability to reduce stress in my own life so I could be able to implement the therapy. A person struggling with the inability to connect with services, stress due to poverty, part-time or erratically scheduled jobs, stressful service work, bad housing conditions, relatives in jail ... is going to find it almost insurmountable.

No. I'm dead serious. I've seen low income parents who have had some obstacles to overcome with their kids - they love their kids and provide a good home, loving care, supervision and appropriate discipline. I've also seen parents who simply do not GAF. I am going to guess that this group of teenagers came from the don't GAF variety of parents.

And I'm saying that if you have a kid with serious behavioral issues, a "good home, loving care, supervision, and appropriate discipline" are NOT enough. My son had ALL of that, and I still needed a tremendous amount of resources and privilege to be able to help him. Plus, the whole point is that generational poverty undermines the ability to provide a good home and appropriate discipline. For example, my son's discipline depends on doing the same particular thing at the same exact time every day. Are you aware that most minimum wage jobs don't give uniform schedules? If I never knew when I was going to be home and when I was going to be at work, I would not be able to do that.

Almost all parents want to be good parents, but it's not enough to just say that they must be good parents by force of their own character, while we as a society grind down their ability to be good parents. parenting takes tremendous resources, and we deny them that.

There are still too many people having kids who should not because they lack responsibility.