Man dies after unprovoked attack by teens at Frederick fair

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Anonymous wrote:Check their phones. If the were playing the “Knockout Game” then odds are one threw the punch while the other was filming it to post on social media.

yes it's already been established that a female friend of theirs filmed it, laughed, and said "Good one!" after the punch.

We need to start charging bystanders too. It's one thing to not do anything when you see stuff like this, but entirely different to anticipate it, film it, laugh and comment "good one." Charge her as an accomplice. I'm sick of this needless violence. Maybe that will deter some of it.

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Frederick News Post reports that the DA will be meting with detectives today and decide on the complete set of charges. May be up to and include 2nd degree murder.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the question is -- is death an expected result of 'knocking someone out'?

Not intended, but absolutely one possible result. That's what the manslaughter charge is for. Same thing as if you were drag racing and crashed your car and killed someone. Not the expected result, but certainly one you are responsible for criminally.

How is this manslaughter? The kid fully intended to punch that unsuspecting guy's lights out and that is exactly what happened and that is exactly what killed him. How is that not murder?

NP. Because he was operating with reckless disregard for others. It is not likely that punching a person once would result in death. Now if the person is 100 years old, maybe murder would be a possible charge.

Geez, the stupidity! People die from being punched more frequently than you think. Please just stop with the idiocy!

No they don't, dumb dumb. Not a single UFC fighter has died over the last 25 years.

And they don't wear headgear either. Oh wait, I guess they do. Why? Is being punched in the head so harmless you don't need protection?

You PPs don't understand the cause of death. It is not the fist to the skull. It is the skull hitting concrete when the man falls down. UFC fighters do not die when they're knocked down because they do not fight on concrete. If you google "one punch kill" it is invariably a street fight when the victim's head hit the kerb or something else hard. Even strong, healthy men will die if their head hits concrete.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the question is -- is death an expected result of 'knocking someone out'?

Not intended, but absolutely one possible result. That's what the manslaughter charge is for. Same thing as if you were drag racing and crashed your car and killed someone. Not the expected result, but certainly one you are responsible for criminally.

How is this manslaughter? The kid fully intended to punch that unsuspecting guy's lights out and that is exactly what happened and that is exactly what killed him. How is that not murder?

NP. Because he was operating with reckless disregard for others. It is not likely that punching a person once would result in death. Now if the person is 100 years old, maybe murder would be a possible charge.

Geez, the stupidity! People die from being punched more frequently than you think. Please just stop with the idiocy!

No they don't, dumb dumb. Not a single UFC fighter has died over the last 25 years.

And they don't wear headgear either. Oh wait, I guess they do. Why? Is being punched in the head so harmless you don't need protection?

You PPs don't understand the cause of death. It is not the fist to the skull. It is the skull hitting concrete when the man falls down. UFC fighters do not die when they're knocked down because they do not fight on concrete. If you google "one punch kill" it is invariably a street fight when the victim's head hit the kerb or something else hard. Even strong, healthy men will die if their head hits concrete.

No. You aren’t understand that the one punch doesn’t have to have been the fatal blow.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the question is -- is death an expected result of 'knocking someone out'?

Not intended, but absolutely one possible result. That's what the manslaughter charge is for. Same thing as if you were drag racing and crashed your car and killed someone. Not the expected result, but certainly one you are responsible for criminally.

How is this manslaughter? The kid fully intended to punch that unsuspecting guy's lights out and that is exactly what happened and that is exactly what killed him. How is that not murder?

NP. Because he was operating with reckless disregard for others. It is not likely that punching a person once would result in death. Now if the person is 100 years old, maybe murder would be a possible charge.

Geez, the stupidity! People die from being punched more frequently than you think. Please just stop with the idiocy!

No they don't, dumb dumb. Not a single UFC fighter has died over the last 25 years.

And they don't wear headgear either. Oh wait, I guess they do. Why? Is being punched in the head so harmless you don't need protection?

You PPs don't understand the cause of death. It is not the fist to the skull. It is the skull hitting concrete when the man falls down. UFC fighters do not die when they're knocked down because they do not fight on concrete. If you google "one punch kill" it is invariably a street fight when the victim's head hit the kerb or something else hard. Even strong, healthy men will die if their head hits concrete.

No. You aren’t understand that the one punch doesn’t have to have been the fatal blow.

You are arguing nonsense here. A man died as a result of being hit. Whether death occurred when he hit the concrete or when he was punched is irrelevant. He would still be alive today if he wasn't hit.

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The law states (paraphrased) you must take the victim as you find them. It means during a crime whatever the circumstances of the victim are you are responsible. Usually that is example late term pregnancy you hit with car you are responsible for both the mother AND the unborn child whether you knew it or not when the crime occurred.
In this case there is also premeditation as they planned to film it. Premeditation can be only seconds. With no provocation whatsoever this may escalate to murder 2.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the question is -- is death an expected result of 'knocking someone out'?

Not intended, but absolutely one possible result. That's what the manslaughter charge is for. Same thing as if you were drag racing and crashed your car and killed someone. Not the expected result, but certainly one you are responsible for criminally.

How is this manslaughter? The kid fully intended to punch that unsuspecting guy's lights out and that is exactly what happened and that is exactly what killed him. How is that not murder?

NP. Because he was operating with reckless disregard for others. It is not likely that punching a person once would result in death. Now if the person is 100 years old, maybe murder would be a possible charge.

Geez, the stupidity! People die from being punched more frequently than you think. Please just stop with the idiocy!

No they don't, dumb dumb. Not a single UFC fighter has died over the last 25 years.

And they don't wear headgear either. Oh wait, I guess they do. Why? Is being punched in the head so harmless you don't need protection?

You PPs don't understand the cause of death. It is not the fist to the skull. It is the skull hitting concrete when the man falls down. UFC fighters do not die when they're knocked down because they do not fight on concrete. If you google "one punch kill" it is invariably a street fight when the victim's head hit the kerb or something else hard. Even strong, healthy men will die if their head hits concrete.

UFC has plenty of rules on prohibited strikes. And a UFC fighter is expecting their opponent to attack them. And it goes without saying, but obviously UFC fighters AGREE to the fight and are conditioned for it. There's no analogy to suddenly sucker punching a 50-something stranger.

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Anonymous wrote:Check their phones. If the were playing the “Knockout Game” then odds are one threw the punch while the other was filming it to post on social media.

yes it's already been established that a female friend of theirs filmed it, laughed, and said "Good one!" after the punch.

We need to start charging bystanders too. It's one thing to not do anything when you see stuff like this, but entirely different to anticipate it, film it, laugh and comment "good one." Charge her as an accomplice. I'm sick of this needless violence. Maybe that will deter some of it.

I agree. The crowd was egging them on and putting them up to it. The boys were showing off for their friends and their friends thought that what they were doing was hilarious and videotape worthy.

The people egging those boys on are guilty, too.

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The sheriff says "after the man was on the ground, they spit on him repeatedly."

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Anonymous wrote:To me the question is -- is death an expected result of 'knocking someone out'?

Not intended, but absolutely one possible result. That's what the manslaughter charge is for. Same thing as if you were drag racing and crashed your car and killed someone. Not the expected result, but certainly one you are responsible for criminally.

How is this manslaughter? The kid fully intended to punch that unsuspecting guy's lights out and that is exactly what happened and that is exactly what killed him. How is that not murder?

NP. Because he was operating with reckless disregard for others. It is not likely that punching a person once would result in death. Now if the person is 100 years old, maybe murder would be a possible charge.

Geez, the stupidity! People die from being punched more frequently than you think. Please just stop with the idiocy!

No they don't, dumb dumb. Not a single UFC fighter has died over the last 25 years.

And they don't wear headgear either. Oh wait, I guess they do. Why? Is being punched in the head so harmless you don't need protection?

You PPs don't understand the cause of death. It is not the fist to the skull. It is the skull hitting concrete when the man falls down. UFC fighters do not die when they're knocked down because they do not fight on concrete. If you google "one punch kill" it is invariably a street fight when the victim's head hit the kerb or something else hard. Even strong, healthy men will die if their head hits concrete.

Oh, so the ground killed him, not the person who assaulted him. Gotcha.

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Anonymous wrote:The law states (paraphrased) you must take the victim as you find them. It means during a crime whatever the circumstances of the victim are you are responsible. Usually that is example late term pregnancy you hit with car you are responsible for both the mother AND the unborn child whether you knew it or not when the crime occurred.
In this case there is also premeditation as they planned to film it. Premeditation can be only seconds. With no provocation whatsoever this may escalate to murder 2.

How is this not murder 1? They planned and videotaped this for their own shits and giggles.

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They spit on the victim after he hit the ground. Disgusting.

Try them as adults. Put them away. There is no hope to be had for kids like this. They are too far gone.

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It's a shame they couldn't have been sent to boarding school 7 or 8 years ago where they would have had some rules, socialization and counseling. Take the food stamps and whatever other benefits the parents are getting and give the money to the boarding school. If the parents want to actually parent their children and regain custody then they will need to fully comply with whatever interventions are deemed appropriate for their children.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame they couldn't have been sent to boarding school 7 or 8 years ago where they would have had some rules, socialization and counseling. Take the food stamps and whatever other benefits the parents are getting and give the money to the boarding school. If the parents want to actually parent their children and regain custody then they will need to fully comply with whatever interventions are deemed appropriate for their children.

I know you're saying this facetiously, but as the (white, priveleged) mom of a 7 year old with some pretty bad behavior problems -- it took a LOT of resources to address them. Therapy @ $200 hr, because the evidence-based therapy is never covered by insurance. Time off work for the therapy. An IEP I insisted on in the face of the school trying to deny it. The ability to reduce stress in my own life so I could be able to implement the therapy. A person struggling with the inability to connect with services, stress due to poverty, part-time or erratically scheduled jobs, stressful service work, bad housing conditions, relatives in jail ... is going to find it almost insurmountable.

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Anonymous wrote:The law states (paraphrased) you must take the victim as you find them. It means during a crime whatever the circumstances of the victim are you are responsible. Usually that is example late term pregnancy you hit with car you are responsible for both the mother AND the unborn child whether you knew it or not when the crime occurred.
In this case there is also premeditation as they planned to film it. Premeditation can be only seconds. With no provocation whatsoever this may escalate to murder 2.

How is this not murder 1? They planned and videotaped this for their own shits and giggles.

It could be, of course, but overcharging can be tactically dangerous. Murder 1 could be seen as an overreach by jurors, which could push them down to manslaughter. Murder 2 is a lay-up if they were over 18, but their age makes it tricky. Probably they get charged with murder 2 and are allowed to plea to manslaughter. Just an educated guess of course. Way too easy on them if it goes down like that.