Man dies after unprovoked attack by teens at Frederick fair

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame they couldn't have been sent to boarding school 7 or 8 years ago where they would have had some rules, socialization and counseling. Take the food stamps and whatever other benefits the parents are getting and give the money to the boarding school. If the parents want to actually parent their children and regain custody then they will need to fully comply with whatever interventions are deemed appropriate for their children.

I know you're saying this facetiously, but as the (white, priveleged) mom of a 7 year old with some pretty bad behavior problems -- it took a LOT of resources to address them. Therapy @ $200 hr, because the evidence-based therapy is never covered by insurance. Time off work for the therapy. An IEP I insisted on in the face of the school trying to deny it. The ability to reduce stress in my own life so I could be able to implement the therapy. A person struggling with the inability to connect with services, stress due to poverty, part-time or erratically scheduled jobs, stressful service work, bad housing conditions, relatives in jail ... is going to find it almost insurmountable.

No. I'm dead serious. I've seen low income parents who have had some obstacles to overcome with their kids - they love their kids and provide a good home, loving care, supervision and appropriate discipline. I've also seen parents who simply do not GAF. I am going to guess that this group of teenagers came from the don't GAF variety of parents.

And I'm saying that if you have a kid with serious behavioral issues, a "good home, loving care, supervision, and appropriate discipline" are NOT enough. My son had ALL of that, and I still needed a tremendous amount of resources and privilege to be able to help him. Plus, the whole point is that generational poverty undermines the ability to provide a good home and appropriate discipline. For example, my son's discipline depends on doing the same particular thing at the same exact time every day. Are you aware that most minimum wage jobs don't give uniform schedules? If I never knew when I was going to be home and when I was going to be at work, I would not be able to do that.

Almost all parents want to be good parents, but it's not enough to just say that they must be good parents by force of their own character, while we as a society grind down their ability to be good parents. parenting takes tremendous resources, and we deny them that.

Was your son ever running around the fair, completely unsupervised with a pack of his friends punching random, innocent strangers? I will bet that's a big no. I'm sure you had some problems to contend with but you hadn't been been throwing up your hands and saying "Nothing I can do about that!" ever since your kid was a toddler.

If my son hadn't gotten treatment - probably he wouldn't do something like that (just due to his personality) but yeah, he could have done something very violent. But I see that you're convinced you know everything about parenting and poverty, so no use discussing it with you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's a video - it looks like there was some kind of confrontation. The teens knocked him and he quickly feel to the ground, probably hit his head very hard. It was short, not a prolonged attack. But awful, nevertheless.

For the life of me, I do not understand what compels people with the Y chromosome to do this sort of thing. Yes of course "not all men" but violence (random or otherwise) is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. And it's a problem.

But you do understand why women drown their children or drive them strapped into a car into a lake. Because you're a woman.

Besides Susan Smith and that woman from Texas who drowned her kids (and was mentally ill -severely) - can you identify any more recent ones and in the same numbers?

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Some of them, absolutely! How many cases a year are there of women murdering their own children? Vs cases a year of men murdering other humans? Stop with the whataboutism and focus on the fact that violent young men are leading cause of death to others, in this country. Post partum women aren't,

Luckily we have statistics on violent crime. Here's the data directly from DOJ:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv17.pdf

Page 11 (Table 10) shows information on the offenders of violent crime:

Male: 75%
Female: 20%

Age is interesting, as it's not only young men. 49% are age 30 or older.

Race is also interesting: Whites account for 49% of violent crime, and blacks 24.5%. To put that in perspective, whites are 76% of the US population and blacks are 13%, according to Census data.

This is data on all violent crimes. I suspect a lot of this, especially with older offenders, is domestic violence as opposed to random robberies and assaults, not that it makes it any better though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In a few short seconds, the video shows some people recording, some watching, and some fanning the flames. At the peak of this sparked hysteria, a man is punched and spat in the face; and very soon his life is over. At a county fair.

In times like these, I think of something Mr. Rogers once shared during one of his episodes many years ago. You've probably read it before. He said when he was a boy and would see scary things in the news, his mother would say to him, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping." Wise words, indeed. I have my own kids and I use this to help explain tragedies to them - which unfortunately, are all too often.

Naturally, we feel for this man, on a human level. We also feel anger toward the perpetrators. Sometimes that anger may make us lash out and act or say or post things we know are hurtful to others. Further magnifying the pain from the one awful act.

Maybe it's just me getting older; or maybe it's the hermitical life-style I've happily chosen, but I find myself worrying a lot nowadays about the human condition. As a middle aged black man, and like many of you, I've seen some dark days in our country - from a county fair to the White House. I find all of it disturbing. And one of the saddest things is, I don't see the helpers.

Admirable words but you damn sure ain't gonna see any helpers in this thread brotha.
These folks are riled up and ready to lock up every black teen in the area just on general principle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In a few short seconds, the video shows some people recording, some watching, and some fanning the flames. At the peak of this sparked hysteria, a man is punched and spat in the face; and very soon his life is over. At a county fair.

In times like these, I think of something Mr. Rogers once shared during one of his episodes many years ago. You've probably read it before. He said when he was a boy and would see scary things in the news, his mother would say to him, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping." Wise words, indeed. I have my own kids and I use this to help explain tragedies to them - which unfortunately, are all too often.

Naturally, we feel for this man, on a human level. We also feel anger toward the perpetrators. Sometimes that anger may make us lash out and act or say or post things we know are hurtful to others. Further magnifying the pain from the one awful act.

Maybe it's just me getting older; or maybe it's the hermitical life-style I've happily chosen, but I find myself worrying a lot nowadays about the human condition. As a middle aged black man, and like many of you, I've seen some dark days in our country - from a county fair to the White House. I find all of it disturbing. And one of the saddest things is, I don't see the helpers.

Admirable words but you damn sure ain't gonna see any helpers in this thread brotha.
These folks are riled up and ready to lock up every black teen in the area just on general principle.

Just stop it. I agree that people use incidents like this to advance racist agendas, but by downplaying the violence (which you consistently do on DCUM, I believe) you're not doing anyone any favors. Least of all the kids who have now ruined their own lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a few short seconds, the video shows some people recording, some watching, and some fanning the flames. At the peak of this sparked hysteria, a man is punched and spat in the face; and very soon his life is over. At a county fair.

In times like these, I think of something Mr. Rogers once shared during one of his episodes many years ago. You've probably read it before. He said when he was a boy and would see scary things in the news, his mother would say to him, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping." Wise words, indeed. I have my own kids and I use this to help explain tragedies to them - which unfortunately, are all too often.

Naturally, we feel for this man, on a human level. We also feel anger toward the perpetrators. Sometimes that anger may make us lash out and act or say or post things we know are hurtful to others. Further magnifying the pain from the one awful act.

Maybe it's just me getting older; or maybe it's the hermitical life-style I've happily chosen, but I find myself worrying a lot nowadays about the human condition. As a middle aged black man, and like many of you, I've seen some dark days in our country - from a county fair to the White House. I find all of it disturbing. And one of the saddest things is, I don't see the helpers.

Admirable words but you damn sure ain't gonna see any helpers in this thread brotha.
These folks are riled up and ready to lock up every black teen in the area just on general principle.

Nope, you haven't read this thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame they couldn't have been sent to boarding school 7 or 8 years ago where they would have had some rules, socialization and counseling. Take the food stamps and whatever other benefits the parents are getting and give the money to the boarding school. If the parents want to actually parent their children and regain custody then they will need to fully comply with whatever interventions are deemed appropriate for their children.

I know you're saying this facetiously, but as the (white, priveleged) mom of a 7 year old with some pretty bad behavior problems -- it took a LOT of resources to address them. Therapy @ $200 hr, because the evidence-based therapy is never covered by insurance. Time off work for the therapy. An IEP I insisted on in the face of the school trying to deny it. The ability to reduce stress in my own life so I could be able to implement the therapy. A person struggling with the inability to connect with services, stress due to poverty, part-time or erratically scheduled jobs, stressful service work, bad housing conditions, relatives in jail ... is going to find it almost insurmountable.

No. I'm dead serious. I've seen low income parents who have had some obstacles to overcome with their kids - they love their kids and provide a good home, loving care, supervision and appropriate discipline. I've also seen parents who simply do not GAF. I am going to guess that this group of teenagers came from the don't GAF variety of parents.

And I'm saying that if you have a kid with serious behavioral issues, a "good home, loving care, supervision, and appropriate discipline" are NOT enough. My son had ALL of that, and I still needed a tremendous amount of resources and privilege to be able to help him. Plus, the whole point is that generational poverty undermines the ability to provide a good home and appropriate discipline. For example, my son's discipline depends on doing the same particular thing at the same exact time every day. Are you aware that most minimum wage jobs don't give uniform schedules? If I never knew when I was going to be home and when I was going to be at work, I would not be able to do that.

Almost all parents want to be good parents, but it's not enough to just say that they must be good parents by force of their own character, while we as a society grind down their ability to be good parents. parenting takes tremendous resources, and we deny them that.

Was your son ever running around the fair, completely unsupervised with a pack of his friends punching random, innocent strangers? I will bet that's a big no. I'm sure you had some problems to contend with but you hadn't been been throwing up your hands and saying "Nothing I can do about that!" ever since your kid was a toddler.

If my son hadn't gotten treatment - probably he wouldn't do something like that (just due to his personality) but yeah, he could have done something very violent. But I see that you're convinced you know everything about parenting and poverty, so no use discussing it with you.

Sometimes kids raised by loving parents do horrible things - I get that. It's the completely callous behavior of these boys and their laughing friends which suggest that the parenting in this situation was not the best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a few short seconds, the video shows some people recording, some watching, and some fanning the flames. At the peak of this sparked hysteria, a man is punched and spat in the face; and very soon his life is over. At a county fair.

In times like these, I think of something Mr. Rogers once shared during one of his episodes many years ago. You've probably read it before. He said when he was a boy and would see scary things in the news, his mother would say to him, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping." Wise words, indeed. I have my own kids and I use this to help explain tragedies to them - which unfortunately, are all too often.

Naturally, we feel for this man, on a human level. We also feel anger toward the perpetrators. Sometimes that anger may make us lash out and act or say or post things we know are hurtful to others. Further magnifying the pain from the one awful act.

Maybe it's just me getting older; or maybe it's the hermitical life-style I've happily chosen, but I find myself worrying a lot nowadays about the human condition. As a middle aged black man, and like many of you, I've seen some dark days in our country - from a county fair to the White House. I find all of it disturbing. And one of the saddest things is, I don't see the helpers.

Admirable words but you damn sure ain't gonna see any helpers in this thread brotha.
These folks are riled up and ready to lock up every black teen in the area just on general principle.

Just stop it. I agree that people use incidents like this to advance racist agendas, but by downplaying the violence (which you consistently do on DCUM, I believe) you're not doing anyone any favors. Least of all the kids who have now ruined their own lives.

F you mean I'm not doing the kids any favors? You saying the kids read DCUM? I thought they were all illiterate degenerates who spend most of their time playing "Call of Duty" and watching UFC fights. Look here son, it's an open forum and an open thread if I wanna offer my 2 cents I'm gonna do it and if you got a problem the report button is at the bottom to your right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a few short seconds, the video shows some people recording, some watching, and some fanning the flames. At the peak of this sparked hysteria, a man is punched and spat in the face; and very soon his life is over. At a county fair.

In times like these, I think of something Mr. Rogers once shared during one of his episodes many years ago. You've probably read it before. He said when he was a boy and would see scary things in the news, his mother would say to him, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping." Wise words, indeed. I have my own kids and I use this to help explain tragedies to them - which unfortunately, are all too often.

Naturally, we feel for this man, on a human level. We also feel anger toward the perpetrators. Sometimes that anger may make us lash out and act or say or post things we know are hurtful to others. Further magnifying the pain from the one awful act.

Maybe it's just me getting older; or maybe it's the hermitical life-style I've happily chosen, but I find myself worrying a lot nowadays about the human condition. As a middle aged black man, and like many of you, I've seen some dark days in our country - from a county fair to the White House. I find all of it disturbing. And one of the saddest things is, I don't see the helpers.

Admirable words but you damn sure ain't gonna see any helpers in this thread brotha.
These folks are riled up and ready to lock up every black teen in the area just on general principle.

It would have taken just ONE of those friends to say "Watch out!" and at least the guy would have stood a fighting chance to defend himself. Why did not one of those laughing kids help that man?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a few short seconds, the video shows some people recording, some watching, and some fanning the flames. At the peak of this sparked hysteria, a man is punched and spat in the face; and very soon his life is over. At a county fair.

In times like these, I think of something Mr. Rogers once shared during one of his episodes many years ago. You've probably read it before. He said when he was a boy and would see scary things in the news, his mother would say to him, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping." Wise words, indeed. I have my own kids and I use this to help explain tragedies to them - which unfortunately, are all too often.

Naturally, we feel for this man, on a human level. We also feel anger toward the perpetrators. Sometimes that anger may make us lash out and act or say or post things we know are hurtful to others. Further magnifying the pain from the one awful act.

Maybe it's just me getting older; or maybe it's the hermitical life-style I've happily chosen, but I find myself worrying a lot nowadays about the human condition. As a middle aged black man, and like many of you, I've seen some dark days in our country - from a county fair to the White House. I find all of it disturbing. And one of the saddest things is, I don't see the helpers.

Admirable words but you damn sure ain't gonna see any helpers in this thread brotha.
These folks are riled up and ready to lock up every black teen in the area just on general principle.

Just stop it. I agree that people use incidents like this to advance racist agendas, but by downplaying the violence (which you consistently do on DCUM, I believe) you're not doing anyone any favors. Least of all the kids who have now ruined their own lives.

F you mean I'm not doing the kids any favors? You saying the kids read DCUM? I thought they were all illiterate degenerates who spend most of their time playing "Call of Duty" and watching UFC fights. Look here son, it's an open forum and an open thread if I wanna offer my 2 cents I'm gonna do it and if you got a problem the report button is at the bottom to your right.

A man died for F's sake!!! Have some sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's a video - it looks like there was some kind of confrontation. The teens knocked him and he quickly feel to the ground, probably hit his head very hard. It was short, not a prolonged attack. But awful, nevertheless.

For the life of me, I do not understand what compels people with the Y chromosome to do this sort of thing. Yes of course "not all men" but violence (random or otherwise) is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. And it's a problem.

But you do understand why women drown their children or drive them strapped into a car into a lake. Because you're a woman.

Pregnancy hormones can be severe and can royally F with a woman's head.

What major life event do men experience, that's comparable? That they... just exist?

OK, if hormones are the excuse, men have testosterone, and not just a few times per lifetime as with pregnancy, but all the time after puberty. And believe me, testosterone really Fs with your head (see: teenagers, male, frequent misbehavior of). You could even call this crime a case in point!

Translation: Yes, just by existing and not going through a major hormonal health event, males are violent. Yeah... you're not really helping making the terrible point you're trying to make.

Women who kill their children do not all have postpartum psychosis. Plenty of them are just bad. Bad people. Whatever their hormones or chromosomes.

How many women just kill and randomly attack people without postpartum psychosis, compared to the men who just kill (and assault, and molest, and rape, etc) people because they're bad people... what's that ratio? How do those numbers stack up?

Men and women, we're all human. The problem isn't men, it's us.

These boys were raised by mothers, there was a girl behind the camera involved in this incident. This wasn't testosterone, it was people.

OMG so it's the girls/womens fault that men do this sort of thing??? Hahahahahahahahahahaha

That awful girl was egging those boys on. So, yep, she is also responsible for this!

She sounds like a horrible human being who should be charged with something, and who never deserves another happy day in her life. But- she didn't murder the guy. The teenage boy did. In the eyes of the law, the two crimes are not the same.

O.k.....that doesn't mean that she's innocent. She should be held accountable and charged accordingly.

Of course. She is awful. But- let's not forget who the actual murderer here is. The teenage MALES. As usual. You can try, but you can't ACTUALLY pin all of the blame on women for everything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In a few short seconds, the video shows some people recording, some watching, and some fanning the flames. At the peak of this sparked hysteria, a man is punched and spat in the face; and very soon his life is over. At a county fair.

In times like these, I think of something Mr. Rogers once shared during one of his episodes many years ago. You've probably read it before. He said when he was a boy and would see scary things in the news, his mother would say to him, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping." Wise words, indeed. I have my own kids and I use this to help explain tragedies to them - which unfortunately, are all too often.

Naturally, we feel for this man, on a human level. We also feel anger toward the perpetrators. Sometimes that anger may make us lash out and act or say or post things we know are hurtful to others. Further magnifying the pain from the one awful act.

Maybe it's just me getting older; or maybe it's the hermitical life-style I've happily chosen, but I find myself worrying a lot nowadays about the human condition. As a middle aged black man, and like many of you, I've seen some dark days in our country - from a county fair to the White House. I find all of it disturbing. And one of the saddest things is, I don't see the helpers.

Admirable words but you damn sure ain't gonna see any helpers in this thread brotha.
These folks are riled up and ready to lock up every black teen in the area just on general principle.

Actually, I just want to lock up the two specific black teens who murdered this man in cold blood. But carry on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's a video - it looks like there was some kind of confrontation. The teens knocked him and he quickly feel to the ground, probably hit his head very hard. It was short, not a prolonged attack. But awful, nevertheless.

For the life of me, I do not understand what compels people with the Y chromosome to do this sort of thing. Yes of course "not all men" but violence (random or otherwise) is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. And it's a problem.

But you do understand why women drown their children or drive them strapped into a car into a lake. Because you're a woman.

Pregnancy hormones can be severe and can royally F with a woman's head.

What major life event do men experience, that's comparable? That they... just exist?

OK, if hormones are the excuse, men have testosterone, and not just a few times per lifetime as with pregnancy, but all the time after puberty. And believe me, testosterone really Fs with your head (see: teenagers, male, frequent misbehavior of). You could even call this crime a case in point!

Translation: Yes, just by existing and not going through a major hormonal health event, males are violent. Yeah... you're not really helping making the terrible point you're trying to make.

Women who kill their children do not all have postpartum psychosis. Plenty of them are just bad. Bad people. Whatever their hormones or chromosomes.

How many women just kill and randomly attack people without postpartum psychosis, compared to the men who just kill (and assault, and molest, and rape, etc) people because they're bad people... what's that ratio? How do those numbers stack up?

Men and women, we're all human. The problem isn't men, it's us.

These boys were raised by mothers, there was a girl behind the camera involved in this incident. This wasn't testosterone, it was people.

OMG so it's the girls/womens fault that men do this sort of thing??? Hahahahahahahahahahaha

That awful girl was egging those boys on. So, yep, she is also responsible for this!

She sounds like a horrible human being who should be charged with something, and who never deserves another happy day in her life. But- she didn't murder the guy. The teenage boy did. In the eyes of the law, the two crimes are not the same.

O.k.....that doesn't mean that she's innocent. She should be held accountable and charged accordingly.

Of course. She is awful. But- let's not forget who the actual murderer here is. The teenage MALES. As usual. You can try, but you can't ACTUALLY pin all of the blame on women for everything.

She is just as mentally warped as those boys are. I'm sorry you can't see that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a few short seconds, the video shows some people recording, some watching, and some fanning the flames. At the peak of this sparked hysteria, a man is punched and spat in the face; and very soon his life is over. At a county fair.

In times like these, I think of something Mr. Rogers once shared during one of his episodes many years ago. You've probably read it before. He said when he was a boy and would see scary things in the news, his mother would say to him, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping." Wise words, indeed. I have my own kids and I use this to help explain tragedies to them - which unfortunately, are all too often.

Naturally, we feel for this man, on a human level. We also feel anger toward the perpetrators. Sometimes that anger may make us lash out and act or say or post things we know are hurtful to others. Further magnifying the pain from the one awful act.

Maybe it's just me getting older; or maybe it's the hermitical life-style I've happily chosen, but I find myself worrying a lot nowadays about the human condition. As a middle aged black man, and like many of you, I've seen some dark days in our country - from a county fair to the White House. I find all of it disturbing. And one of the saddest things is, I don't see the helpers.

Admirable words but you damn sure ain't gonna see any helpers in this thread brotha.
These folks are riled up and ready to lock up every black teen in the area just on general principle.

Just stop it. I agree that people use incidents like this to advance racist agendas, but by downplaying the violence (which you consistently do on DCUM, I believe) you're not doing anyone any favors. Least of all the kids who have now ruined their own lives.

F you mean I'm not doing the kids any favors? You saying the kids read DCUM? I thought they were all illiterate degenerates who spend most of their time playing "Call of Duty" and watching UFC fights. Look here son, it's an open forum and an open thread if I wanna offer my 2 cents I'm gonna do it and if you got a problem the report button is at the bottom to your right.

I mean if you murder someone and spit in his face as he lays dying on the ground, as a 15 year old, I'm going to go out on a limb and call you a degenerate. I won't speculate on literacy level as it's not relevant.

[Anonymous]

^And she will probably one day have kids of her own one day - which is absolutely scary!