Man dies after unprovoked attack by teens at Frederick fair

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP You sound like a very rational and reasonable person.....a rarity for this board so kudos to you. Given that, I’d like to get your thoughts on the very charged and sensitive issue of the high rate of violence amongst black males. DOJ statistics report that black males are 6% of the population and account for over 50% of violent crimes. Black teens are arrested for murder and manslaughter at a rate that is ten times that of white teens. Of course institutional racism and poverty account for some of this but what else is driving this highly disproportionate rate of violent crime? And why aren’t leaders in the black community addressing this issue in a serious manner? The vast majority of the victims of these crimes are other black men so why isn’t this issue a priority? It seems to be reaching crisis levels, especially in cities like Chicago and Baltimore. and I just want to understand why so little effort and attention are given to possible solutions. Thanks in advance.

Not the PP, but my feeling is it's lack of positive role models, particular fathers. Around 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers, compared to about 30% for whites (interesting tidbit: the rate is lower, across all races, for immigrant mothers compared to native-born mothers.. maybe it's more "shameful" to give birth out of wedlock in the countries where immigrants are coming from?). There's a benefit to kids growing up with both a father and a mother, and it's just much less likely for black children. That seems to lead to a downward spiral -- lower education achievement, which leads to higher rate of committing crimes and so on.

One theory I've heard is that during the 50s-70s, the black community had a common cause -- civil rights -- and united behind that. Now that we've come much further along on that (sure there is room for improvement, but compare that to the segregated schools my father went to growing up right here in MoCo), then there's less of a common cause to unite the community.

I think we're going to see more issues with boys across all races based on current trends. Women are outperforming men pretty much across the board when it comes to academic achievement in high school and college, be it graduation rates or even just acceptance rates -- at most universities, the undergrad student body is at least 60% female.

Think of the societal implications of this -- 3 women to 2 men. If a woman wants to marry a man who also has a college degree -- not too much to ask -- it's already 3 women competing for 2 men. I'm not quite sure how this will pan out, but in countries like China where there are many more young men than women (one-child policy/selective abortion), many men are getting frustrated that there are no eligible women to marry. In Japan, young men remain unemployed and stuck in their parents' apartment playing video games all day and not leaving the house (there's even a term -- otaku). None of this is good, but I'm not even sure how we address these issues.

STFU RACIST

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP You sound like a very rational and reasonable person.....a rarity for this board so kudos to you. Given that, I’d like to get your thoughts on the very charged and sensitive issue of the high rate of violence amongst black males. DOJ statistics report that black males are 6% of the population and account for over 50% of violent crimes. Black teens are arrested for murder and manslaughter at a rate that is ten times that of white teens. Of course institutional racism and poverty account for some of this but what else is driving this highly disproportionate rate of violent crime? And why aren’t leaders in the black community addressing this issue in a serious manner? The vast majority of the victims of these crimes are other black men so why isn’t this issue a priority? It seems to be reaching crisis levels, especially in cities like Chicago and Baltimore. and I just want to understand why so little effort and attention are given to possible solutions. Thanks in advance.

Not the PP, but my feeling is it's lack of positive role models, particular fathers. Around 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers, compared to about 30% for whites (interesting tidbit: the rate is lower, across all races, for immigrant mothers compared to native-born mothers.. maybe it's more "shameful" to give birth out of wedlock in the countries where immigrants are coming from?). There's a benefit to kids growing up with both a father and a mother, and it's just much less likely for black children. That seems to lead to a downward spiral -- lower education achievement, which leads to higher rate of committing crimes and so on.

One theory I've heard is that during the 50s-70s, the black community had a common cause -- civil rights -- and united behind that. Now that we've come much further along on that (sure there is room for improvement, but compare that to the segregated schools my father went to growing up right here in MoCo), then there's less of a common cause to unite the community.

I think we're going to see more issues with boys across all races based on current trends. Women are outperforming men pretty much across the board when it comes to academic achievement in high school and college, be it graduation rates or even just acceptance rates -- at most universities, the undergrad student body is at least 60% female.

Think of the societal implications of this -- 3 women to 2 men. If a woman wants to marry a man who also has a college degree -- not too much to ask -- it's already 3 women competing for 2 men. I'm not quite sure how this will pan out, but in countries like China where there are many more young men than women (one-child policy/selective abortion), many men are getting frustrated that there are no eligible women to marry. In Japan, young men remain unemployed and stuck in their parents' apartment playing video games all day and not leaving the house (there's even a term -- otaku). None of this is good, but I'm not even sure how we address these issues.

STFU RACIST

They seem to be citing statistics mostly. Are the statistics racist or inaccurate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP You sound like a very rational and reasonable person.....a rarity for this board so kudos to you. Given that, I’d like to get your thoughts on the very charged and sensitive issue of the high rate of violence amongst black males. DOJ statistics report that black males are 6% of the population and account for over 50% of violent crimes. Black teens are arrested for murder and manslaughter at a rate that is ten times that of white teens. Of course institutional racism and poverty account for some of this but what else is driving this highly disproportionate rate of violent crime? And why aren’t leaders in the black community addressing this issue in a serious manner? The vast majority of the victims of these crimes are other black men so why isn’t this issue a priority? It seems to be reaching crisis levels, especially in cities like Chicago and Baltimore. and I just want to understand why so little effort and attention are given to possible solutions. Thanks in advance.

Not the PP, but my feeling is it's lack of positive role models, particular fathers. Around 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers, compared to about 30% for whites (interesting tidbit: the rate is lower, across all races, for immigrant mothers compared to native-born mothers.. maybe it's more "shameful" to give birth out of wedlock in the countries where immigrants are coming from?). There's a benefit to kids growing up with both a father and a mother, and it's just much less likely for black children. That seems to lead to a downward spiral -- lower education achievement, which leads to higher rate of committing crimes and so on.

One theory I've heard is that during the 50s-70s, the black community had a common cause -- civil rights -- and united behind that. Now that we've come much further along on that (sure there is room for improvement, but compare that to the segregated schools my father went to growing up right here in MoCo), then there's less of a common cause to unite the community.

I think we're going to see more issues with boys across all races based on current trends. Women are outperforming men pretty much across the board when it comes to academic achievement in high school and college, be it graduation rates or even just acceptance rates -- at most universities, the undergrad student body is at least 60% female.

Think of the societal implications of this -- 3 women to 2 men. If a woman wants to marry a man who also has a college degree -- not too much to ask -- it's already 3 women competing for 2 men. I'm not quite sure how this will pan out, but in countries like China where there are many more young men than women (one-child policy/selective abortion), many men are getting frustrated that there are no eligible women to marry. In Japan, young men remain unemployed and stuck in their parents' apartment playing video games all day and not leaving the house (there's even a term -- otaku). None of this is good, but I'm not even sure how we address these issues.

STFU RACIST

This is not racist; this is a reality. There is a very strong movement in black churches to encourage black women to marry outside their race so that they can find a husband of similar education and financial levels. In China, the so-called leftover women are educated and well employed and scare the bejesus out of Chinese men who want a more subservient or who are no educational match for them. They are encouraged to marry outside of their country which is a big deal for the Chinese. Love markets are flourishing in China for this reason. Same thing in Japan. Men would rather watch on line porn than be involved with a woman who takes up too much energy after their draining jobs.

Look around your workplace and see how many smart, interesting, well employed have difficulty meeting a man. It was code in law school that you had to leave with your JD and a boy friend or you would be the sad partner who had everything in life but a family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically DCUMers want to bring back segregation and/or lock up every black person between the ages of 6 and 60. That seems to be the underlying sentiment I’m sensing from posters.

Citation please, drama llama.

Please show us excerpts that support your assertion.

Hmmm, you must not be very familiar with underlying sentiments if you’re asking for citations so let’s start with some basics...

When you perform sentiment analysis on content, you're basically looking for the opinions in content and picking the sentiment within those opinions.
Sentiment is influenced by emotion, a subjective feeling or thought. The strength of a sentiment is usually linked to the intensity of emotions felt by the opinion holder.

Now generally we describe something as “underlying” when it is below the surface of something else, i.e. an underlying sentiment. So when trying to identify underlying sentiments, which are not overt or explicit but instead something concealed but detectable, the key to discernment is not looking for a specific citation but rather the simple task of asking the question: “What are the underlying opinions behind that specific content?”

If you go back thru many of the posts in the 20+ pages of this thread and ask that question you should be able to discern the .underlying sentiments. It is not the two teenage siblings who senselessly murdered that poor man who posters are taking issue with. It is ALL blacks who posters are taking issue with.

Your word salad, translated: “I don’t have any actual proof of what I said, but I really dislike white people, and in my mind, I can imagine them saying things like this, so I’ll just go ahead and say they were implying it... even though no one said it.”


Go away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP You sound like a very rational and reasonable person.....a rarity for this board so kudos to you. Given that, I’d like to get your thoughts on the very charged and sensitive issue of the high rate of violence amongst black males. DOJ statistics report that black males are 6% of the population and account for over 50% of violent crimes. Black teens are arrested for murder and manslaughter at a rate that is ten times that of white teens. Of course institutional racism and poverty account for some of this but what else is driving this highly disproportionate rate of violent crime? And why aren’t leaders in the black community addressing this issue in a serious manner? The vast majority of the victims of these crimes are other black men so why isn’t this issue a priority? It seems to be reaching crisis levels, especially in cities like Chicago and Baltimore. and I just want to understand why so little effort and attention are given to possible solutions. Thanks in advance.

Not the PP, but my feeling is it's lack of positive role models, particular fathers. Around 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers, compared to about 30% for whites (interesting tidbit: the rate is lower, across all races, for immigrant mothers compared to native-born mothers.. maybe it's more "shameful" to give birth out of wedlock in the countries where immigrants are coming from?). There's a benefit to kids growing up with both a father and a mother, and it's just much less likely for black children. That seems to lead to a downward spiral -- lower education achievement, which leads to higher rate of committing crimes and so on.

One theory I've heard is that during the 50s-70s, the black community had a common cause -- civil rights -- and united behind that. Now that we've come much further along on that (sure there is room for improvement, but compare that to the segregated schools my father went to growing up right here in MoCo), then there's less of a common cause to unite the community.

I think we're going to see more issues with boys across all races based on current trends. Women are outperforming men pretty much across the board when it comes to academic achievement in high school and college, be it graduation rates or even just acceptance rates -- at most universities, the undergrad student body is at least 60% female.

Think of the societal implications of this -- 3 women to 2 men. If a woman wants to marry a man who also has a college degree -- not too much to ask -- it's already 3 women competing for 2 men. I'm not quite sure how this will pan out, but in countries like China where there are many more young men than women (one-child policy/selective abortion), many men are getting frustrated that there are no eligible women to marry. In Japan, young men remain unemployed and stuck in their parents' apartment playing video games all day and not leaving the house (there's even a term -- otaku). None of this is good, but I'm not even sure how we address these issues.

STFU RACIST

Hahahahaha!!!!

That’s your retort?!?!? Really!?!?!?

You’re a clown. Go back to the circus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically DCUMers want to bring back segregation and/or lock up every black person between the ages of 6 and 60. That seems to be the underlying sentiment I’m sensing from posters.

Citation please, drama llama.

Please show us excerpts that support your assertion.

Hmmm, you must not be very familiar with underlying sentiments if you’re asking for citations so let’s start with some basics...

When you perform sentiment analysis on content, you're basically looking for the opinions in content and picking the sentiment within those opinions.
Sentiment is influenced by emotion, a subjective feeling or thought. The strength of a sentiment is usually linked to the intensity of emotions felt by the opinion holder.

Now generally we describe something as “underlying” when it is below the surface of something else, i.e. an underlying sentiment. So when trying to identify underlying sentiments, which are not overt or explicit but instead something concealed but detectable, the key to discernment is not looking for a specific citation but rather the simple task of asking the question: “What are the underlying opinions behind that specific content?”

If you go back thru many of the posts in the 20+ pages of this thread and ask that question you should be able to discern the .underlying sentiments. It is not the two teenage siblings who senselessly murdered that poor man who posters are taking issue with. It is ALL blacks who posters are taking issue with.

Your word salad, translated: “I don’t have any actual proof of what I said, but I really dislike white people, and in my mind, I can imagine them saying things like this, so I’ll just go ahead and say they were implying it... even though no one said it.”


Go away.

Good for you! Glad to hear you don’t fear black teens and black people. Glad to hear you don’t cross the street and clutch your purse and call 911 at the mere sight of someone with dark skin like so many posters have openly admitted. Glad to know there are some posters on here who don’t let the actions of a few distort their perceptions of all and glad to hear there are posters on here let their fears turn into prejudice and their prejudice turn into hate. You bring hope for the future much appreciated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP You sound like a very rational and reasonable person.....a rarity for this board so kudos to you. Given that, I’d like to get your thoughts on the very charged and sensitive issue of the high rate of violence amongst black males. DOJ statistics report that black males are 6% of the population and account for over 50% of violent crimes. Black teens are arrested for murder and manslaughter at a rate that is ten times that of white teens. Of course institutional racism and poverty account for some of this but what else is driving this highly disproportionate rate of violent crime? And why aren’t leaders in the black community addressing this issue in a serious manner? The vast majority of the victims of these crimes are other black men so why isn’t this issue a priority? It seems to be reaching crisis levels, especially in cities like Chicago and Baltimore. and I just want to understand why so little effort and attention are given to possible solutions. Thanks in advance.

Not the PP, but my feeling is it's lack of positive role models, particular fathers. Around 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers, compared to about 30% for whites (interesting tidbit: the rate is lower, across all races, for immigrant mothers compared to native-born mothers.. maybe it's more "shameful" to give birth out of wedlock in the countries where immigrants are coming from?). There's a benefit to kids growing up with both a father and a mother, and it's just much less likely for black children. That seems to lead to a downward spiral -- lower education achievement, which leads to higher rate of committing crimes and so on.

One theory I've heard is that during the 50s-70s, the black community had a common cause -- civil rights -- and united behind that. Now that we've come much further along on that (sure there is room for improvement, but compare that to the segregated schools my father went to growing up right here in MoCo), then there's less of a common cause to unite the community.

I think we're going to see more issues with boys across all races based on current trends. Women are outperforming men pretty much across the board when it comes to academic achievement in high school and college, be it graduation rates or even just acceptance rates -- at most universities, the undergrad student body is at least 60% female.

Think of the societal implications of this -- 3 women to 2 men. If a woman wants to marry a man who also has a college degree -- not too much to ask -- it's already 3 women competing for 2 men. I'm not quite sure how this will pan out, but in countries like China where there are many more young men than women (one-child policy/selective abortion), many men are getting frustrated that there are no eligible women to marry. In Japan, young men remain unemployed and stuck in their parents' apartment playing video games all day and not leaving the house (there's even a term -- otaku). None of this is good, but I'm not even sure how we address these issues.

STFU RACIST

This is not racist; this is a reality. There is a very strong movement in black churches to encourage black women to marry outside their race so that they can find a husband of similar education and financial levels. In China, the so-called leftover women are educated and well employed and scare the bejesus out of Chinese men who want a more subservient or who are no educational match for them. They are encouraged to marry outside of their country which is a big deal for the Chinese. Love markets are flourishing in China for this reason. Same thing in Japan. Men would rather watch on line porn than be involved with a woman who takes up too much energy after their draining jobs.

Look around your workplace and see how many smart, interesting, well employed have difficulty meeting a man. It was code in law school that you had to leave with your JD and a boy friend or you would be the sad partner who had everything in life but a family.

Hmmmm
Are you black?
I am
I go to a predominately black church and have NEVER EVER HEARD THIS.
EVER!
I am college educated
My BLACK husband is college educated as our parents most of whom have graduate degrees.
Our friends are educated, have various lucrative careers. And they are not unicorns.
You Are so worried about black men and black women you need to be worried about yourself because according to recent statistics black women are the most educated in the United States-PERIOD! So you better check your white men and leave the rest of us folks alone.
You read half an article in Essence magazine 10 yrs ago and think you are now an expert on black folks.
Sit your self down and hush!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
according to recent statistics black women are the most educated in the United States-PERIOD!

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2017/12/04/black-women-are-earning-more-college-degrees-but-that-alone-wont-close-race-gaps/ doesn't back you up, and it doesn't even include Asians in the comparison and they have the highest attainment rates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP You sound like a very rational and reasonable person.....a rarity for this board so kudos to you. Given that, I’d like to get your thoughts on the very charged and sensitive issue of the high rate of violence amongst black males. DOJ statistics report that black males are 6% of the population and account for over 50% of violent crimes. Black teens are arrested for murder and manslaughter at a rate that is ten times that of white teens. Of course institutional racism and poverty account for some of this but what else is driving this highly disproportionate rate of violent crime? And why aren’t leaders in the black community addressing this issue in a serious manner? The vast majority of the victims of these crimes are other black men so why isn’t this issue a priority? It seems to be reaching crisis levels, especially in cities like Chicago and Baltimore. and I just want to understand why so little effort and attention are given to possible solutions. Thanks in advance.

Not the PP, but my feeling is it's lack of positive role models, particular fathers. Around 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers, compared to about 30% for whites (interesting tidbit: the rate is lower, across all races, for immigrant mothers compared to native-born mothers.. maybe it's more "shameful" to give birth out of wedlock in the countries where immigrants are coming from?). There's a benefit to kids growing up with both a father and a mother, and it's just much less likely for black children. That seems to lead to a downward spiral -- lower education achievement, which leads to higher rate of committing crimes and so on.

One theory I've heard is that during the 50s-70s, the black community had a common cause -- civil rights -- and united behind that. Now that we've come much further along on that (sure there is room for improvement, but compare that to the segregated schools my father went to growing up right here in MoCo), then there's less of a common cause to unite the community.

I think we're going to see more issues with boys across all races based on current trends. Women are outperforming men pretty much across the board when it comes to academic achievement in high school and college, be it graduation rates or even just acceptance rates -- at most universities, the undergrad student body is at least 60% female.

Think of the societal implications of this -- 3 women to 2 men. If a woman wants to marry a man who also has a college degree -- not too much to ask -- it's already 3 women competing for 2 men. I'm not quite sure how this will pan out, but in countries like China where there are many more young men than women (one-child policy/selective abortion), many men are getting frustrated that there are no eligible women to marry. In Japan, young men remain unemployed and stuck in their parents' apartment playing video games all day and not leaving the house (there's even a term -- otaku). None of this is good, but I'm not even sure how we address these issues.

STFU RACIST

This is not racist; this is a reality. There is a very strong movement in black churches to encourage black women to marry outside their race so that they can find a husband of similar education and financial levels. In China, the so-called leftover women are educated and well employed and scare the bejesus out of Chinese men who want a more subservient or who are no educational match for them. They are encouraged to marry outside of their country which is a big deal for the Chinese. Love markets are flourishing in China for this reason. Same thing in Japan. Men would rather watch on line porn than be involved with a woman who takes up too much energy after their draining jobs.

Look around your workplace and see how many smart, interesting, well employed have difficulty meeting a man. It was code in law school that you had to leave with your JD and a boy friend or you would be the sad partner who had everything in life but a family.

Hmmmm
Are you black?
I am
I go to a predominately black church and have NEVER EVER HEARD THIS.
EVER!
I am college educated
My BLACK husband is college educated as our parents most of whom have graduate degrees.
Our friends are educated, have various lucrative careers. And they are not unicorns.
You Are so worried about black men and black women you need to be worried about yourself because according to recent statistics black women are the most educated in the United States-PERIOD! So you better check your white men and leave the rest of us folks alone.
You read half an article in Essence magazine 10 yrs ago and think you are now an expert on black folks.
Sit your self down and hush!

I am black. My black husband and I met at law school and married after we passed the bar and before our clerkships began. We have been married 17 years. As you mentioned black women are among the most educated in the United States. Our marriage ministry encourages the single women among them to look for husbands of similar SES of any race. Your predominantly black church might not do this, but that doesn't mean other churches do not.
We have black friends and relatives who are well educated and we never thought of them as unicorns. How odd that you would say that.
I have been in a good marriage, and encourage others to find spouses. That doesn't worry me; does it worry you?
I suppose "Essence" may have had some articles that I missed, but then I go to a salon that doesn't specialize in extensions.

[Anonymous]

Hmmmm
Are you black?
I am
I go to a predominately black church and have NEVER EVER HEARD THIS.
EVER!
I am college educated
My BLACK husband is college educated as our parents most of whom have graduate degrees.
Our friends are educated, have various lucrative careers. And they are not unicorns.
You Are so worried about black men and black women you need to be worried about yourself because according to recent statistics black women are the most educated in the United States-PERIOD! So you better check your white men and leave the rest of us folks alone.
You read half an article in Essence magazine 10 yrs ago and think you are now an expert on black folks.
Sit your self down and hush!


I am black. My black husband and I met at law school and married after we passed the bar and before our clerkships began. We have been married 17 years. As you mentioned black women are among the most educated in the United States. Our marriage ministry encourages the single women among them to look for husbands of similar SES of any race. Your predominantly black church might not do this, but that doesn't mean other churches do not.
We have black friends and relatives who are well educated and we never thought of them as unicorns. How odd that you would say that.
I have been in a good marriage, and encourage others to find spouses. That doesn't worry me; does it worry you?
I suppose "Essence" may have had some articles that I missed, but then I go to a salon that doesn't specialize in extensions.

Both of you are the backbone of the black race. I literally don't know where we'd be without you.

I love you very much.

~A black man

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hmmmm
Are you black?
I am
I go to a predominately black church and have NEVER EVER HEARD THIS.
EVER!
I am college educated
My BLACK husband is college educated as our parents most of whom have graduate degrees.
Our friends are educated, have various lucrative careers. And they are not unicorns.
You Are so worried about black men and black women you need to be worried about yourself because according to recent statistics black women are the most educated in the United States-PERIOD! So you better check your white men and leave the rest of us folks alone.
You read half an article in Essence magazine 10 yrs ago and think you are now an expert on black folks.
Sit your self down and hush!


I am black. My black husband and I met at law school and married after we passed the bar and before our clerkships began. We have been married 17 years. As you mentioned black women are among the most educated in the United States. Our marriage ministry encourages the single women among them to look for husbands of similar SES of any race. Your predominantly black church might not do this, but that doesn't mean other churches do not.
We have black friends and relatives who are well educated and we never thought of them as unicorns. How odd that you would say that.
I have been in a good marriage, and encourage others to find spouses. That doesn't worry me; does it worry you?
I suppose "Essence" may have had some articles that I missed, but then I go to a salon that doesn't specialize in extensions.

Both of you are the backbone of the black race. I literally don't know where we'd be without you.

I love you very much.

~A black man

Me too
- Mixed woman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP You sound like a very rational and reasonable person.....a rarity for this board so kudos to you. Given that, I’d like to get your thoughts on the very charged and sensitive issue of the high rate of violence amongst black males. DOJ statistics report that black males are 6% of the population and account for over 50% of violent crimes. Black teens are arrested for murder and manslaughter at a rate that is ten times that of white teens. Of course institutional racism and poverty account for some of this but what else is driving this highly disproportionate rate of violent crime? And why aren’t leaders in the black community addressing this issue in a serious manner? The vast majority of the victims of these crimes are other black men so why isn’t this issue a priority? It seems to be reaching crisis levels, especially in cities like Chicago and Baltimore. and I just want to understand why so little effort and attention are given to possible solutions. Thanks in advance.

Not the PP, but my feeling is it's lack of positive role models, particular fathers. Around 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers, compared to about 30% for whites (interesting tidbit: the rate is lower, across all races, for immigrant mothers compared to native-born mothers.. maybe it's more "shameful" to give birth out of wedlock in the countries where immigrants are coming from?). There's a benefit to kids growing up with both a father and a mother, and it's just much less likely for black children. That seems to lead to a downward spiral -- lower education achievement, which leads to higher rate of committing crimes and so on.

One theory I've heard is that during the 50s-70s, the black community had a common cause -- civil rights -- and united behind that. Now that we've come much further along on that (sure there is room for improvement, but compare that to the segregated schools my father went to growing up right here in MoCo), then there's less of a common cause to unite the community.

I think we're going to see more issues with boys across all races based on current trends. Women are outperforming men pretty much across the board when it comes to academic achievement in high school and college, be it graduation rates or even just acceptance rates -- at most universities, the undergrad student body is at least 60% female.

Think of the societal implications of this -- 3 women to 2 men. If a woman wants to marry a man who also has a college degree -- not too much to ask -- it's already 3 women competing for 2 men. I'm not quite sure how this will pan out, but in countries like China where there are many more young men than women (one-child policy/selective abortion), many men are getting frustrated that there are no eligible women to marry. In Japan, young men remain unemployed and stuck in their parents' apartment playing video games all day and not leaving the house (there's even a term -- otaku). None of this is good, but I'm not even sure how we address these issues.

STFU RACIST

This is not racist; this is a reality. There is a very strong movement in black churches to encourage black women to marry outside their race so that they can find a husband of similar education and financial levels. In China, the so-called leftover women are educated and well employed and scare the bejesus out of Chinese men who want a more subservient or who are no educational match for them. They are encouraged to marry outside of their country which is a big deal for the Chinese. Love markets are flourishing in China for this reason. Same thing in Japan. Men would rather watch on line porn than be involved with a woman who takes up too much energy after their draining jobs.

Look around your workplace and see how many smart, interesting, well employed have difficulty meeting a man. It was code in law school that you had to leave with your JD and a boy friend or you would be the sad partner who had everything in life but a family.

Hmmmm
Are you black?
I am
I go to a predominately black church and have NEVER EVER HEARD THIS.
EVER!
I am college educated
My BLACK husband is college educated as our parents most of whom have graduate degrees.
Our friends are educated, have various lucrative careers. And they are not unicorns.
You Are so worried about black men and black women you need to be worried about yourself because according to recent statistics black women are the most educated in the United States-PERIOD! So you better check your white men and leave the rest of us folks alone.
You read half an article in Essence magazine 10 yrs ago and think you are now an expert on black folks.
Sit your self down and hush!

I am black. My black husband and I met at law school and married after we passed the bar and before our clerkships began. We have been married 17 years. As you mentioned black women are among the most educated in the United States. Our marriage ministry encourages the single women among them to look for husbands of similar SES of any race. Your predominantly black church might not do this, but that doesn't mean other churches do not.
We have black friends and relatives who are well educated and we never thought of them as unicorns. How odd that you would say that.
I have been in a good marriage, and encourage others to find spouses. That doesn't worry me; does it worry you?
I suppose "Essence" may have had some articles that I missed, but then I go to a salon that doesn't specialize in extensions.

I read her statement that they are not unicorns as debunking the previous poster's suggestion that educated black people are somehow "rare." They're not. In other words, they aren't unicorns. She said they weren't.

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DP You sound like a very rational and reasonable person.....a rarity for this board so kudos to you. Given that, I’d like to get your thoughts on the very charged and sensitive issue of the high rate of violence amongst black males. DOJ statistics report that black males are 6% of the population and account for over 50% of violent crimes. Black teens are arrested for murder and manslaughter at a rate that is ten times that of white teens. Of course institutional racism and poverty account for some of this but what else is driving this highly disproportionate rate of violent crime? And why aren’t leaders in the black community addressing this issue in a serious manner? The vast majority of the victims of these crimes are other black men so why isn’t this issue a priority? It seems to be reaching crisis levels, especially in cities like Chicago and Baltimore. and I just want to understand why so little effort and attention are given to possible solutions. Thanks in advance.

Not the PP, but my feeling is it's lack of positive role models, particular fathers. Around 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers, compared to about 30% for whites (interesting tidbit: the rate is lower, across all races, for immigrant mothers compared to native-born mothers.. maybe it's more "shameful" to give birth out of wedlock in the countries where immigrants are coming from?). There's a benefit to kids growing up with both a father and a mother, and it's just much less likely for black children. That seems to lead to a downward spiral -- lower education achievement, which leads to higher rate of committing crimes and so on.

One theory I've heard is that during the 50s-70s, the black community had a common cause -- civil rights -- and united behind that. Now that we've come much further along on that (sure there is room for improvement, but compare that to the segregated schools my father went to growing up right here in MoCo), then there's less of a common cause to unite the community.

I think we're going to see more issues with boys across all races based on current trends. Women are outperforming men pretty much across the board when it comes to academic achievement in high school and college, be it graduation rates or even just acceptance rates -- at most universities, the undergrad student body is at least 60% female.

Think of the societal implications of this -- 3 women to 2 men. If a woman wants to marry a man who also has a college degree -- not too much to ask -- it's already 3 women competing for 2 men. I'm not quite sure how this will pan out, but in countries like China where there are many more young men than women (one-child policy/selective abortion), many men are getting frustrated that there are no eligible women to marry. In Japan, young men remain unemployed and stuck in their parents' apartment playing video games all day and not leaving the house (there's even a term -- otaku). None of this is good, but I'm not even sure how we address these issues.

STFU RACIST

This is not racist; this is a reality. There is a very strong movement in black churches to encourage black women to marry outside their race so that they can find a husband of similar education and financial levels. In China, the so-called leftover women are educated and well employed and scare the bejesus out of Chinese men who want a more subservient or who are no educational match for them. They are encouraged to marry outside of their country which is a big deal for the Chinese. Love markets are flourishing in China for this reason. Same thing in Japan. Men would rather watch on line porn than be involved with a woman who takes up too much energy after their draining jobs.

Look around your workplace and see how many smart, interesting, well employed have difficulty meeting a man. It was code in law school that you had to leave with your JD and a boy friend or you would be the sad partner who had everything in life but a family.

Hmmmm
Are you black?
I am
I go to a predominately black church and have NEVER EVER HEARD THIS.
EVER!
I am college educated
My BLACK husband is college educated as our parents most of whom have graduate degrees.
Our friends are educated, have various lucrative careers. And they are not unicorns.
You Are so worried about black men and black women you need to be worried about yourself because according to recent statistics black women are the most educated in the United States-PERIOD! So you better check your white men and leave the rest of us folks alone.
You read half an article in Essence magazine 10 yrs ago and think you are now an expert on black folks.
Sit your self down and hush!

I am black. My black husband and I met at law school and married after we passed the bar and before our clerkships began. We have been married 17 years. As you mentioned black women are among the most educated in the United States. Our marriage ministry encourages the single women among them to look for husbands of similar SES of any race. Your predominantly black church might not do this, but that doesn't mean other churches do not.
We have black friends and relatives who are well educated and we never thought of them as unicorns. How odd that you would say that.
I have been in a good marriage, and encourage others to find spouses. That doesn't worry me; does it worry you?
I suppose "Essence" may have had some articles that I missed, but then I go to a salon that doesn't specialize in extensions.

I read her statement that they are not unicorns as debunking the previous poster's suggestion that educated black people are somehow "rare." They're not. In other words, they aren't unicorns. She said they weren't.

It’s a fact that educated black men aren’t rare. Unfortunately, it’s also a fact that violent black men aren’t rare.

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So are the boys charged as adults or what?

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Anonymous wrote:

DP You sound like a very rational and reasonable person.....a rarity for this board so kudos to you. Given that, I’d like to get your thoughts on the very charged and sensitive issue of the high rate of violence amongst black males. DOJ statistics report that black males are 6% of the population and account for over 50% of violent crimes. Black teens are arrested for murder and manslaughter at a rate that is ten times that of white teens. Of course institutional racism and poverty account for some of this but what else is driving this highly disproportionate rate of violent crime? And why aren’t leaders in the black community addressing this issue in a serious manner? The vast majority of the victims of these crimes are other black men so why isn’t this issue a priority? It seems to be reaching crisis levels, especially in cities like Chicago and Baltimore. and I just want to understand why so little effort and attention are given to possible solutions. Thanks in advance.

Not the PP, but my feeling is it's lack of positive role models, particular fathers. Around 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers, compared to about 30% for whites (interesting tidbit: the rate is lower, across all races, for immigrant mothers compared to native-born mothers.. maybe it's more "shameful" to give birth out of wedlock in the countries where immigrants are coming from?). There's a benefit to kids growing up with both a father and a mother, and it's just much less likely for black children. That seems to lead to a downward spiral -- lower education achievement, which leads to higher rate of committing crimes and so on.

One theory I've heard is that during the 50s-70s, the black community had a common cause -- civil rights -- and united behind that. Now that we've come much further along on that (sure there is room for improvement, but compare that to the segregated schools my father went to growing up right here in MoCo), then there's less of a common cause to unite the community.

I think we're going to see more issues with boys across all races based on current trends. Women are outperforming men pretty much across the board when it comes to academic achievement in high school and college, be it graduation rates or even just acceptance rates -- at most universities, the undergrad student body is at least 60% female.

Think of the societal implications of this -- 3 women to 2 men. If a woman wants to marry a man who also has a college degree -- not too much to ask -- it's already 3 women competing for 2 men. I'm not quite sure how this will pan out, but in countries like China where there are many more young men than women (one-child policy/selective abortion), many men are getting frustrated that there are no eligible women to marry. In Japan, young men remain unemployed and stuck in their parents' apartment playing video games all day and not leaving the house (there's even a term -- otaku). None of this is good, but I'm not even sure how we address these issues.

STFU RACIST

This is not racist; this is a reality. There is a very strong movement in black churches to encourage black women to marry outside their race so that they can find a husband of similar education and financial levels. In China, the so-called leftover women are educated and well employed and scare the bejesus out of Chinese men who want a more subservient or who are no educational match for them. They are encouraged to marry outside of their country which is a big deal for the Chinese. Love markets are flourishing in China for this reason. Same thing in Japan. Men would rather watch on line porn than be involved with a woman who takes up too much energy after their draining jobs.

Look around your workplace and see how many smart, interesting, well employed have difficulty meeting a man. It was code in law school that you had to leave with your JD and a boy friend or you would be the sad partner who had everything in life but a family.

Hmmmm
Are you black?
I am
I go to a predominately black church and have NEVER EVER HEARD THIS.
EVER!
I am college educated
My BLACK husband is college educated as our parents most of whom have graduate degrees.
Our friends are educated, have various lucrative careers. And they are not unicorns.
You Are so worried about black men and black women you need to be worried about yourself because according to recent statistics black women are the most educated in the United States-PERIOD! So you better check your white men and leave the rest of us folks alone.
You read half an article in Essence magazine 10 yrs ago and think you are now an expert on black folks.
Sit your self down and hush!

I am black. My black husband and I met at law school and married after we passed the bar and before our clerkships began. We have been married 17 years. As you mentioned black women are among the most educated in the United States. Our marriage ministry encourages the single women among them to look for husbands of similar SES of any race. Your predominantly black church might not do this, but that doesn't mean other churches do not.
We have black friends and relatives who are well educated and we never thought of them as unicorns. How odd that you would say that.
I have been in a good marriage, and encourage others to find spouses. That doesn't worry me; does it worry you?
I suppose "Essence" may have had some articles that I missed, but then I go to a salon that doesn't specialize in extensions.

I read her statement that they are not unicorns as debunking the previous poster's suggestion that educated black people are somehow "rare." They're not. In other words, they aren't unicorns. She said they weren't.

It’s a fact that educated black men aren’t rare. Unfortunately, it’s also a fact that violent black men aren’t rare.

Couldn't you say the same thing about men in general.