Your experience with a 40% FARMS rate Middle School

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OP, I thought about you last night and your concern. I recommend that you join the Facebook Group "Howard County School Redistricting Opposition". https://www.facebook.com/groups/2481593048731404/

Group members are organizing a protest on September 14th. Go here for more information https://scotteblog.com/2019/08/31/walk-the-mall-protest-of-the-current-hcpss-redistricting-plan-scheduled-for-september-14th/

People who reside in Howard County that want to get their voices heard are welcome to join the Howard County School Redistricting Opposition group.

What about people who reside in Howard County who want to get their voices heard who support the proposed boundary changes?

Those who support it already have 3 known BOE members (Mavis, Taj, and Mallo) who will vote Yes on their side. Also, there are county council members including the county executive who are %100 percent behind this social engineering experiment to bus students to schools 30-40 minutes away from their house. The folks opposing Dr. Martirano's plan are the ones who need to mobilize because the odds are not in their favor.

Taking students who are within walking distance to their neighborhood schools and placing them on a bus miles away outside of their communities is bussing. Call it boundary changes, redistricting, etc. It is bussing and it is going to rip communities apart. There are people who are calling for the Dr. Martirano to resign because he has his hands in the back pockets of local politicians who are pushing for this.

I fully support diverse schools. I wish magnet programs, tutoring, social services programs, etc. will be implemented into the majority of FARM schools. However, bussing is what is on the table and it is not an effective solution. Things are getting ugly in Howard County because over 7,000 students will be displaced. The Baltimore Sun has some articles about what is going on in Howard County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
OP, I thought about you last night and your concern. I recommend that you join the Facebook Group "Howard County School Redistricting Opposition". https://www.facebook.com/groups/2481593048731404/

Group members are organizing a protest on September 14th. Go here for more information https://scotteblog.com/2019/08/31/walk-the-mall-protest-of-the-current-hcpss-redistricting-plan-scheduled-for-september-14th/

People who reside in Howard County that want to get their voices heard are welcome to join the Howard County School Redistricting Opposition group.

What about people who reside in Howard County who want to get their voices heard who support the proposed boundary changes?

Those who support it already have 3 known BOE members (Mavis, Taj, and Mallo) who will vote Yes on their side. Also, there are county council members including the county executive who are %100 percent behind this social engineering experiment to bus students to schools 30-40 minutes away from their house. The folks opposing Dr. Martirano's plan are the ones who need to mobilize because the odds are not in their favor.

Taking students who are within walking distance to their neighborhood schools and placing them on a bus miles away outside of their communities is bussing. Call it boundary changes, redistricting, etc. It is bussing and it is going to rip communities apart. There are people who are calling for the Dr. Martirano to resign because he has his hands in the back pockets of local politicians who are pushing for this.

I fully support diverse schools. I wish magnet programs, tutoring, social services programs, etc. will be implemented into the majority of FARM schools. However, bussing is what is on the table and it is not an effective solution. Things are getting ugly in Howard County because over 7,000 students will be displaced. The Baltimore Sun has some articles about what is going on in Howard County.

Nah, people who support it also need to mobilize.

Also, while there may be some people who actually fully support diverse schools but also use the word "social engineering" to describe government policies they dislike, there aren't many.

And rezoning students from this school to that school, within the same school district, isn't displacement.

[Anonymous]

I know this is a very unpopular thing to say but I wouldn’t want to lose 100-200k home value. We aren’t a super rich family that could easily afford to lose that equity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know this is a very unpopular thing to say but I wouldn’t want to lose 100-200k home value. We aren’t a super rich family that could easily afford to lose that equity.

There are plenty of middle class families in MoCo who have a lot of their net worth tied up in their home value. This is an expensive area.

People are dismissive of that concern, but it’s a reasonable one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know this is a very unpopular thing to say but I wouldn’t want to lose 100-200k home value. We aren’t a super rich family that could easily afford to lose that equity.

NP. We live in Fairfax Co and this happened to a lot of families, including ours, during a redistricting about ten years ago. Property values have never really recovered. Residents' concerns about this were mostly glossed over at the time, and to this day, it's the third rail whenever the issue comes up. It's worth noting, though, that no one on the BOS or School Board lived in a neighborhood that was negatively impacted by that redistricting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a very unpopular thing to say but I wouldn’t want to lose 100-200k home value. We aren’t a super rich family that could easily afford to lose that equity.

NP. We live in Fairfax Co and this happened to a lot of families, including ours, during a redistricting about ten years ago. Property values have never really recovered. Residents' concerns about this were mostly glossed over at the time, and to this day, it's the third rail whenever the issue comes up. It's worth noting, though, that no one on the BOS or School Board lived in a neighborhood that was negatively impacted by that redistricting.

Exactly what is happening in MoCo.

Actually, the BOE and other MCPS leadership has been openly hostile towards anyone who even dares to mention property value as a concern.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a very unpopular thing to say but I wouldn’t want to lose 100-200k home value. We aren’t a super rich family that could easily afford to lose that equity.

People who paid 1-2 million dollars for their homes to reside in River Hill are going to loose more than that once their communities are zoned to Wilde Lake. I have some friends who are going to loose 500k on their homes.

If the BOE votes Dr. Martirano's bussing plan into action with River Hill, then they will continue to dismantle more communities in the future. Basically, it will not matter where you purchase your home in Howard County because your children will be bus to a school outside of your community. However, this is a wake up call to the residents of Howard County who naively voted in liberal fanatics at the local level. When you welcome a fox inside a hen house you can not be surprise that the fox attacks the hens. I think the recent events in Howard County has open the eyes of everyone who voted for the most radical BOE and county council members this county has every had.

Four BOE members are up for reelection next year. If anyone cares about their home equity or their children being bus to schools outside of their communities, then they better vote the radicals off the school board. Go a step further and vote the radical county council members out as well because they are the snakes who facilitated this school bussing nightmare.

Dr. Martirano needs to resign because he no longer is working for the best interest of the community. Instead he is in the bed of local politicians who are using him as their puppet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a very unpopular thing to say but I wouldn’t want to lose 100-200k home value. We aren’t a super rich family that could easily afford to lose that equity.

There are plenty of middle class families in MoCo who have a lot of their net worth tied up in their home value. This is an expensive area.

People are dismissive of that concern, but it’s a reasonable one.

It's a reasonable concern for individual property owners to have.

It's not a reasonable factor for the Board of Education to take into account while making decisions about public school boundaries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a very unpopular thing to say but I wouldn’t want to lose 100-200k home value. We aren’t a super rich family that could easily afford to lose that equity.

People who paid 1-2 million dollars for their homes to reside in River Hill are going to loose more than that once their communities are zoned to Wilde Lake. I have some friends who are going to loose 500k on their homes.

If the BOE votes Dr. Martirano's bussing plan into action with River Hill, then they will continue to dismantle more communities in the future. Basically, it will not matter where you purchase your home in Howard County because your children will be bus to a school outside of your community. However, this is a wake up call to the residents of Howard County who naively voted in liberal fanatics at the local level. When you welcome a fox inside a hen house you can not be surprise that the fox attacks the hens. I think the recent events in Howard County has open the eyes of everyone who voted for the most radical BOE and county council members this county has every had.

Four BOE members are up for reelection next year. If anyone cares about their home equity or their children being bus to schools outside of their communities, then they better vote the radicals off the school board. Go a step further and vote the radical county council members out as well because they are the snakes who facilitated this school bussing nightmare.

Dr. Martirano needs to resign because he no longer is working for the best interest of the community. Instead he is in the bed of local politicians who are using him as their puppet.

A community will be dismantled if its children go to School A instead of School B?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know this is a very unpopular thing to say but I wouldn’t want to lose 100-200k home value. We aren’t a super rich family that could easily afford to lose that equity.

There are plenty of middle class families in MoCo who have a lot of their net worth tied up in their home value. This is an expensive area.

People are dismissive of that concern, but it’s a reasonable one.

It's a reasonable concern for individual property owners to have.

It's not a reasonable factor for the Board of Education to take into account while making decisions about public school boundaries.

By rezoning, property values will indeed go down, which translates into this: People with means will go private or move. Once you lose the wealthy folks who are keeping Mo Co afloat, you lose the tax base that supposedly made the schools strong and attractive to those within and outside of the area.

A poorer population means schools don't have the resources to provide for those who are struggling.

So the BOE may get its wish, but it's a temporary solution b/c performance is what the state is looking at. And moving around children as though they're game pieces isn't a long-lasting solution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know this is a very unpopular thing to say but I wouldn’t want to lose 100-200k home value. We aren’t a super rich family that could easily afford to lose that equity.

There are plenty of middle class families in MoCo who have a lot of their net worth tied up in their home value. This is an expensive area.

People are dismissive of that concern, but it’s a reasonable one.

It's a reasonable concern for individual property owners to have.

It's not a reasonable factor for the Board of Education to take into account while making decisions about public school boundaries.

By rezoning, property values will indeed go down, which translates into this: People with means will go private or move. Once you lose the wealthy folks who are keeping Mo Co afloat, you lose the tax base that supposedly made the schools strong and attractive to those within and outside of the area.

A poorer population means schools don't have the resources to provide for those who are struggling.

So the BOE may get its wish, but it's a temporary solution b/c performance is what the state is looking at. And moving around children as though they're game pieces isn't a long-lasting solution.

Property values will only go down insofar as (1) they were artificially inflated by the current school boundaries and (2) people panic about the new boundaries and all put their properties on the market at once (which would be dumb).

And keeping children in overcrowded schools with outdated boundaries isn't a long-lasting solution, even if you did pay too much for your property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know this is a very unpopular thing to say but I wouldn’t want to lose 100-200k home value. We aren’t a super rich family that could easily afford to lose that equity.

There are plenty of middle class families in MoCo who have a lot of their net worth tied up in their home value. This is an expensive area.

People are dismissive of that concern, but it’s a reasonable one.

It's a reasonable concern for individual property owners to have.

It's not a reasonable factor for the Board of Education to take into account while making decisions about public school boundaries.

By rezoning, property values will indeed go down, which translates into this: People with means will go private or move. Once you lose the wealthy folks who are keeping Mo Co afloat, you lose the tax base that supposedly made the schools strong and attractive to those within and outside of the area.

A poorer population means schools don't have the resources to provide for those who are struggling.

So the BOE may get its wish, but it's a temporary solution b/c performance is what the state is looking at. And moving around children as though they're game pieces isn't a long-lasting solution.

Agreed.

And this is why it’s a bad idea. In reality, it’s the middle class that loser out (as usual). The super wealthy leave for private. And the school system needs buy-in from middle class and UMC families in order to maintain a quality school system.

Plus, it won’t really solve any problems in the long run.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know this is a very unpopular thing to say but I wouldn’t want to lose 100-200k home value. We aren’t a super rich family that could easily afford to lose that equity.

There are plenty of middle class families in MoCo who have a lot of their net worth tied up in their home value. This is an expensive area.

People are dismissive of that concern, but it’s a reasonable one.

It's a reasonable concern for individual property owners to have.

It's not a reasonable factor for the Board of Education to take into account while making decisions about public school boundaries.

By rezoning, property values will indeed go down, which translates into this: People with means will go private or move. Once you lose the wealthy folks who are keeping Mo Co afloat, you lose the tax base that supposedly made the schools strong and attractive to those within and outside of the area.

A poorer population means schools don't have the resources to provide for those who are struggling.

So the BOE may get its wish, but it's a temporary solution b/c performance is what the state is looking at. And moving around children as though they're game pieces isn't a long-lasting solution.

Property values will only go down insofar as (1) they were artificially inflated by the current school boundaries and (2) people panic about the new boundaries and all put their properties on the market at once (which would be dumb).

And keeping children in overcrowded schools with outdated boundaries isn't a long-lasting solution, even if you did pay too much for your property.

Wow. You're a dumb aren't you.

Property values were never artificially inflated--the market determined the value of a property based on that properties characteristics at the time of sale.

And there doesn't have to be an immediate influx of sell side liquidity to change the market. They just have to change the characteristics of the property such that buyers don't want it as much anymore. Change the boundaries, and that's exactly what you'll get.

[Anonymous]

It makes me chuckle that both HoCo and FFX have had or are having these issues while at the same time, MCPS parents are threatening to move to one of those school districts because MCPS hired a consultant to look into how to look at boundary changes. So, where will these parents who are complaining about MCPS and the hiring of the consultants go now?

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me chuckle that both HoCo and FFX have had or are having these issues while at the same time, MCPS parents are threatening to move to one of those school districts because MCPS hired a consultant to look into how to look at boundary changes. So, where will these parents who are complaining about MCPS and the hiring of the consultants go now?

Exactly. It’s screws the Middle Class families who have nowhere else to go.

The rich move on to private. Unless Middle Class families can relocate even farther out (we’ve had several neighbors move to Frederick County), they are stuck.

Not sure why that makes you chuckle?