Impeachment

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What difference does any of this make? He will be re elected because he is a white supremacist and all the racists know this and will vote for him. That is all they care about, not the law, not violating the law, but to keep the country white. Nothing else matters to his voters and his voters are millions upon millions of racists.

Now, that's a wonderful message to campaign on. Pass this to the Democratic candidates and have them run on this message.
It rivals Hillary's "deplorables." It's a winner for sure.

It's the truth. It can rival whatever, but it is the truth.

So delusional. Stop being a fake victim.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this is an absolute mistake for the dems. right thing to do or not, i don't see how this pays off politically.

Trump is longing for this ....... it will be a major distraction

Sigh. Yes, he is and I hope Democrats don’t go this route.

Of course, this is why our President is falling over himself to send documents to Congress, sending subpoenaed people to testify, and vowing to follow every one of their requests.

Wait...

(I mean, really, how bad at trolling can you get?)

So, the Democrats truly believe they can discover something that Mueller's team was unable to find?

No - this is harassment. It's all the Dems have left.

Which is why Trump is fighting the subpoenas on the grounds that it serves no legislative purpose. They are fishing.

Are you serious?

SMH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They aren’t going to impeach him. Nor should they. He should lose the next election then be carted off to prison with his loser children.

I think you misunderstand impeachment.

The House impeaches the POTUS.
Then, there is a trial in the Senate. If he is found guilty, then the POTUS is removed from office. This has never happened.

Bill Clinton was impeached in the House, but acquitted in the Senate, so he stayed in office.

If the House impeaches the Orange Criminal, the Senate will hold a trial, but will most likely acquit him, as the Senate is controlled by McConnell, a criminal himself, and the GOP, complicit all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unpresidented. Dragging the Supreme Court down with him.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/440358-trump-says-he-would-challenge-impeachment-in-supreme-court

President Trump on Wednesday said that he would attempt to challenge impeachment in the Supreme Court if Democrats carried out such proceedings, though it's unclear the high court would hear such a case.

"The Mueller Report, despite being written by Angry Democrats and Trump Haters, and with unlimited money behind it ($35,000,000), didn’t lay a glove on me. I DID NOTHING WRONG," Trump tweeted.

"If the partisan Dems ever tried to Impeach, I would first head to the U.S. Supreme Court. Not only are there no 'High Crimes and Misdemeanors,' there are no Crimes by me at all," he continued.

Given the Liar-in-Chief's track record of always saying the opposite of the truth, clearly Mueller didn't uncover most of the LIC's crimes. There must be dozens, maybe hundreds of impeachable crimes the POTUS has committed, both before and in office, that have not been discovered. He says so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They aren’t going to impeach him. Nor should they. He should lose the next election then be carted off to prison with his loser children.

I think you misunderstand impeachment.

The House impeaches the POTUS.
Then, there is a trial in the Senate. If he is found guilty, then the POTUS is removed from office. This has never happened.

Bill Clinton was impeached in the House, but acquitted in the Senate, so he stayed in office.

If the House impeaches the Orange Criminal, the Senate will hold a trial, but will most likely acquit him, as the Senate is controlled by McConnell, a criminal himself, and the GOP, complicit all.

Not sure what part of my post lead you to believe I was misinformed on the process...? Pelosi isn’t going to back impeachment. It typically backfires. But in Clinton’s case, he won both the popular vote and the EC so I’m not sure you can compare situations.... meaning Clinton was more popular the Trump. Additionally, Pelosi is correct it will further polarize the citizens. Trump has a sh*t ton of investigations circling him. I think as time goes on the only support he will get in from Cult45, Graham, and McConnell. Trump is stupid and toxic. He should not be President because he is f*cking stupid and a con artist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Impeachment proceedings will be the gift Trump is waiting for. Democrats should not fall into this trap.

Nice try, Kellyanne.

Seriously, even the left leaning media outlets are saying this. Aside from that, all of the "analysis" podcasts I listen to, from NPR to FiveThirtyEight to Left/Right/Center are more or less in agreement that impeachment is risky for Democrats.

That's not quite the same thing.

Yes, of course, impeachment is risky for Democrats. But it's NOT the gift Dumputin is waiting for!!

If it were, he'd welcome all the hearings! He would not threaten to take it to the Supreme Court (whatever that means? Call Daddy?).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They aren’t going to impeach him. Nor should they. He should lose the next election then be carted off to prison with his loser children.

I think you misunderstand impeachment.

The House impeaches the POTUS.
Then, there is a trial in the Senate. If he is found guilty, then the POTUS is removed from office. This has never happened.

Bill Clinton was impeached in the House, but acquitted in the Senate, so he stayed in office.

If the House impeaches the Orange Criminal, the Senate will hold a trial, but will most likely acquit him, as the Senate is controlled by McConnell, a criminal himself, and the GOP, complicit all.

Not sure what part of my post lead you to believe I was misinformed on the process...? Pelosi isn’t going to back impeachment. It typically backfires. But in Clinton’s case, he won both the popular vote and the EC so I’m not sure you can compare situations.... meaning Clinton was more popular the Trump. Additionally, Pelosi is correct it will further polarize the citizens. Trump has a sh*t ton of investigations circling him. I think as time goes on the only support he will get in from Cult45, Graham, and McConnell. Trump is stupid and toxic. He should not be President because he is f*cking stupid and a con artist.

Pelosi is a good politician. I'm not sure deciding whether to impeach a possibly-criminal president is the right time to be a politician, though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They aren’t going to impeach him. Nor should they. He should lose the next election then be carted off to prison with his loser children.

I think you misunderstand impeachment.

The House impeaches the POTUS.
Then, there is a trial in the Senate. If he is found guilty, then the POTUS is removed from office. This has never happened.

Bill Clinton was impeached in the House, but acquitted in the Senate, so he stayed in office.

If the House impeaches the Orange Criminal, the Senate will hold a trial, but will most likely acquit him, as the Senate is controlled by McConnell, a criminal himself, and the GOP, complicit all.

Not sure what part of my post lead you to believe I was misinformed on the process...? Pelosi isn’t going to back impeachment. It typically backfires. But in Clinton’s case, he won both the popular vote and the EC so I’m not sure you can compare situations.... meaning Clinton was more popular the Trump. Additionally, Pelosi is correct it will further polarize the citizens. Trump has a sh*t ton of investigations circling him. I think as time goes on the only support he will get in from Cult45, Graham, and McConnell. Trump is stupid and toxic. He should not be President because he is f*cking stupid and a con artist.

I agree with everything you wrote. But I think the Democrats need to impeach the POTUS, else they will appear weak, as if they are looking the other way at POTUS's crimes.

In any case, impeach or not, it's going to be a mess. The Democrats are not going to sit and allow the POTUS to order federal employees (paid by us, not him) to ignore legal subpoenas, risking jail.

BTW, how come the Democrats are not jailing the people who are ignoring their subpoenas? Doesn't Congress have the right to jail people if they disobey the law?

Let Gore, McGahn sit in jail for a few weeks. They might change their minds and disobey their Despotic Orange Leader.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They aren’t going to impeach him. Nor should they. He should lose the next election then be carted off to prison with his loser children.

I think you misunderstand impeachment.

The House impeaches the POTUS.
Then, there is a trial in the Senate. If he is found guilty, then the POTUS is removed from office. This has never happened.

Bill Clinton was impeached in the House, but acquitted in the Senate, so he stayed in office.

If the House impeaches the Orange Criminal, the Senate will hold a trial, but will most likely acquit him, as the Senate is controlled by McConnell, a criminal himself, and the GOP, complicit all.

Not sure what part of my post lead you to believe I was misinformed on the process...? Pelosi isn’t going to back impeachment. It typically backfires. But in Clinton’s case, he won both the popular vote and the EC so I’m not sure you can compare situations.... meaning Clinton was more popular the Trump. Additionally, Pelosi is correct it will further polarize the citizens. Trump has a sh*t ton of investigations circling him. I think as time goes on the only support he will get in from Cult45, Graham, and McConnell. Trump is stupid and toxic. He should not be President because he is f*cking stupid and a con artist.

I agree with everything you wrote. But I think the Democrats need to impeach the POTUS, else they will appear weak, as if they are looking the other way at POTUS's crimes.

In any case, impeach or not, it's going to be a mess. The Democrats are not going to sit and allow the POTUS to order federal employees (paid by us, not him) to ignore legal subpoenas, risking jail.

BTW, how come the Democrats are not jailing the people who are ignoring their subpoenas? Doesn't Congress have the right to jail people if they disobey the law?

Let Gore, McGahn sit in jail for a few weeks. They might change their minds and disobey their Despotic Orange Leader.

Why not? The federal employees who worked under Obama ignored subpoenas all the time. They have a model to follow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They aren’t going to impeach him. Nor should they. He should lose the next election then be carted off to prison with his loser children.

I think you misunderstand impeachment.

The House impeaches the POTUS.
Then, there is a trial in the Senate. If he is found guilty, then the POTUS is removed from office. This has never happened.

Bill Clinton was impeached in the House, but acquitted in the Senate, so he stayed in office.

If the House impeaches the Orange Criminal, the Senate will hold a trial, but will most likely acquit him, as the Senate is controlled by McConnell, a criminal himself, and the GOP, complicit all.

Not sure what part of my post lead you to believe I was misinformed on the process...? Pelosi isn’t going to back impeachment. It typically backfires. But in Clinton’s case, he won both the popular vote and the EC so I’m not sure you can compare situations.... meaning Clinton was more popular the Trump. Additionally, Pelosi is correct it will further polarize the citizens. Trump has a sh*t ton of investigations circling him. I think as time goes on the only support he will get in from Cult45, Graham, and McConnell. Trump is stupid and toxic. He should not be President because he is f*cking stupid and a con artist.

I agree with everything you wrote. But I think the Democrats need to impeach the POTUS, else they will appear weak, as if they are looking the other way at POTUS's crimes.

In any case, impeach or not, it's going to be a mess. The Democrats are not going to sit and allow the POTUS to order federal employees (paid by us, not him) to ignore legal subpoenas, risking jail.

BTW, how come the Democrats are not jailing the people who are ignoring their subpoenas? Doesn't Congress have the right to jail people if they disobey the law?

Let Gore, McGahn sit in jail for a few weeks. They might change their minds and disobey their Despotic Orange Leader.

Why not? The federal employees who worked under Obama ignored subpoenas all the time. They have a model to follow.

I'm trying to remember when Obama told federal employees to refuse to respond to subpoenas from the House. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any times that happened. Can you refresh my memory?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Impeachment proceedings will be the gift Trump is waiting for. Democrats should not fall into this trap.

Nice try, Kellyanne.

Seriously, even the left leaning media outlets are saying this. Aside from that, all of the "analysis" podcasts I listen to, from NPR to FiveThirtyEight to Left/Right/Center are more or less in agreement that impeachment is risky for Democrats.

I feel like the dialogue on this has started to shift, actually. Starting with Warren's call for impeachment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They aren’t going to impeach him. Nor should they. He should lose the next election then be carted off to prison with his loser children.

I think you misunderstand impeachment.

The House impeaches the POTUS.
Then, there is a trial in the Senate. If he is found guilty, then the POTUS is removed from office. This has never happened.

Bill Clinton was impeached in the House, but acquitted in the Senate, so he stayed in office.

If the House impeaches the Orange Criminal, the Senate will hold a trial, but will most likely acquit him, as the Senate is controlled by McConnell, a criminal himself, and the GOP, complicit all.

Not sure what part of my post lead you to believe I was misinformed on the process...? Pelosi isn’t going to back impeachment. It typically backfires. But in Clinton’s case, he won both the popular vote and the EC so I’m not sure you can compare situations.... meaning Clinton was more popular the Trump. Additionally, Pelosi is correct it will further polarize the citizens. Trump has a sh*t ton of investigations circling him. I think as time goes on the only support he will get in from Cult45, Graham, and McConnell. Trump is stupid and toxic. He should not be President because he is f*cking stupid and a con artist.

I agree with everything you wrote. But I think the Democrats need to impeach the POTUS, else they will appear weak, as if they are looking the other way at POTUS's crimes.

In any case, impeach or not, it's going to be a mess. The Democrats are not going to sit and allow the POTUS to order federal employees (paid by us, not him) to ignore legal subpoenas, risking jail.

BTW, how come the Democrats are not jailing the people who are ignoring their subpoenas? Doesn't Congress have the right to jail people if they disobey the law?

Let Gore, McGahn sit in jail for a few weeks. They might change their minds and disobey their Despotic Orange Leader.

Why not? The federal employees who worked under Obama ignored subpoenas all the time. They have a model to follow.

I'm trying to remember when Obama told federal employees to refuse to respond to subpoenas from the House. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any times that happened. Can you refresh my memory?

It was the time he was being investigated for colluding with the Russians, campaign finance fraud and giving a top secret clearance to his shady son-in-law. Oh sorry, that was Trump.

[Anonymous]

You don’t get it.

The facts in the Mueller report are enough to impeach.

The Congress investigations will serve the purpose of informing the public in a more sledgehammer-like way, since they all prefer to watch TV rather than read 400 pages. Plus some have bought into the Barr/Fox News spin about the Mueller report, so we need live sworn testimony to counter the spin. This is a campaign to put the truth squarely in front of the lies in a way that no one will be able to deny.

As for opinions, you’ll notice that more and more politicians, lawyers and journalists are and will agree that impeachment has to happen. On both sides of the aisle. Some just needed to read the Report, others needed to think about it a bit more. This will continue to build and inevitably a turning point will be reached when public opinion follows suit.

As for Pelosi, she’s always wanted to impeach, but she has played a very intelligent game of appearing against it, to lull pro-Trump media into a false sense of security and not startle his base. She will wait until most of her party are clamoring for it, along with half the nation, and then she will “reluctantly” do her duty. Sneaky, but highly efficient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don’t get it.

The facts in the Mueller report are enough to impeach.

The Congress investigations will serve the purpose of informing the public in a more sledgehammer-like way, since they all prefer to watch TV rather than read 400 pages. Plus some have bought into the Barr/Fox News spin about the Mueller report, so we need live sworn testimony to counter the spin. This is a campaign to put the truth squarely in front of the lies in a way that no one will be able to deny.

As for opinions, you’ll notice that more and more politicians, lawyers and journalists are and will agree that impeachment has to happen. On both sides of the aisle. Some just needed to read the Report, others needed to think about it a bit more. This will continue to build and inevitably a turning point will be reached when public opinion follows suit.

As for Pelosi, she’s always wanted to impeach, but she has played a very intelligent game of appearing against it, to lull pro-Trump media into a false sense of security and not startle his base. She will wait until most of her party are clamoring for it, along with half the nation, and then she will “reluctantly” do her duty. Sneaky, but highly efficient.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don’t get it.

The facts in the Mueller report are enough to impeach.

The Congress investigations will serve the purpose of informing the public in a more sledgehammer-like way, since they all prefer to watch TV rather than read 400 pages. Plus some have bought into the Barr/Fox News spin about the Mueller report, so we need live sworn testimony to counter the spin. This is a campaign to put the truth squarely in front of the lies in a way that no one will be able to deny.

As for opinions, you’ll notice that more and more politicians, lawyers and journalists are and will agree that impeachment has to happen. On both sides of the aisle. Some just needed to read the Report, others needed to think about it a bit more. This will continue to build and inevitably a turning point will be reached when public opinion follows suit.

As for Pelosi, she’s always wanted to impeach, but she has played a very intelligent game of appearing against it, to lull pro-Trump media into a false sense of security and not startle his base. She will wait until most of her party are clamoring for it, along with half the nation, and then she will “reluctantly” do her duty. Sneaky, but highly efficient.

Good luck.
My prediction - It won't happen. Why? Because, despite what you say, there is not evidence in the Mueller report to go the impeachment route. Pelosi knows that.
The Congressional investigations are all about the 2020 elections. They are not about getting to the "truth." They are a dog and pony show. And, they too will backfire.
And, once we have the IG's report, there will be even LESS appetite for impeachment with the public.

Oh, and the majority of the public want Congress to move on from the Russia report. Pelosi is paying attention to public opinion.

Almost four in 10 Democratic voters want Congress to move on from its investigations into President Trump stemming from special counsel Robert Mueller's report and instead focus on issues like health care and immigration, according to a new poll.

A Hill-HarrisX survey released Thursday, found that 37 percent of Democratic respondents wanted lawmakers to abandon the Russia-related probes and move on to policy matters that include infrastructure development. Sixty-three percent of party loyalists said congressional Democrats should continue with the investigations.

Those figures put Democratic voters at odds not just with Republicans but with independents as well.

Sixty-one percent of independents in the survey said they wanted Congress to move on from the Russia-related probes, as did 86 percent of Republicans.

Among voters overall, 60 percent said the focus should be on policy matters, while 40 percent said they wanted further inquiries into Russia's involvement in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/440623-poll-37-percent-of-Dems-want-party-to-move-on-from-russia-related-trump-probes