Impeachment

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t get it.

The facts in the Mueller report are enough to impeach.

The Congress investigations will serve the purpose of informing the public in a more sledgehammer-like way, since they all prefer to watch TV rather than read 400 pages. Plus some have bought into the Barr/Fox News spin about the Mueller report, so we need live sworn testimony to counter the spin. This is a campaign to put the truth squarely in front of the lies in a way that no one will be able to deny.

As for opinions, you’ll notice that more and more politicians, lawyers and journalists are and will agree that impeachment has to happen. On both sides of the aisle. Some just needed to read the Report, others needed to think about it a bit more. This will continue to build and inevitably a turning point will be reached when public opinion follows suit.

As for Pelosi, she’s always wanted to impeach, but she has played a very intelligent game of appearing against it, to lull pro-Trump media into a false sense of security and not startle his base. She will wait until most of her party are clamoring for it, along with half the nation, and then she will “reluctantly” do her duty. Sneaky, but highly efficient.

Good luck.
My prediction - It won't happen. Why? Because, despite what you say, there is not evidence in the Mueller report to go the impeachment route. Pelosi knows that.
The Congressional investigations are all about the 2020 elections. They are not about getting to the "truth." They are a dog and pony show. And, they too will backfire.
And, once we have the IG's report, there will be even LESS appetite for impeachment with the public.

Oh, and the majority of the public want Congress to move on from the Russia report. Pelosi is paying attention to public opinion.

Almost four in 10 Democratic voters want Congress to move on from its investigations into President Trump stemming from special counsel Robert Mueller's report and instead focus on issues like health care and immigration, according to a new poll.

A Hill-HarrisX survey released Thursday, found that 37 percent of Democratic respondents wanted lawmakers to abandon the Russia-related probes and move on to policy matters that include infrastructure development. Sixty-three percent of party loyalists said congressional Democrats should continue with the investigations.

Those figures put Democratic voters at odds not just with Republicans but with independents as well.

Sixty-one percent of independents in the survey said they wanted Congress to move on from the Russia-related probes, as did 86 percent of Republicans.

Among voters overall, 60 percent said the focus should be on policy matters, while 40 percent said they wanted further inquiries into Russia's involvement in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/440623-poll-37-percent-of-Dems-want-party-to-move-on-from-russia-related-trump-probes

No.

You need to understand these opinion numbers will change, just as the numbers did with Nixon (who had done much less egregious things). They changed when the public finally paid attention and realized what he and his administration had been doing.

This is why you don’t base an impeachment decision on public opinion. Public opinion will change according to what is publicly stated by interested parties under oath. You should base such a decision on the facts. The facts are already there.

Note that impeachment may or may not lead to ousting the President. Given the 2020 election and SDNY’s pending charges, whether the President leaves before or at the end of his term is of no consequence. What matters is congress holding him accountable, for the principle of it. If we don’t have principles, we have nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:They aren’t going to impeach him. Nor should they. He should lose the next election then be carted off to prison with his loser children.

I think you misunderstand impeachment.

The House impeaches the POTUS.
Then, there is a trial in the Senate. If he is found guilty, then the POTUS is removed from office. This has never happened.

Bill Clinton was impeached in the House, but acquitted in the Senate, so he stayed in office.

If the House impeaches the Orange Criminal, the Senate will hold a trial, but will most likely acquit him, as the Senate is controlled by McConnell, a criminal himself, and the GOP, complicit all.

Not sure what part of my post lead you to believe I was misinformed on the process...? Pelosi isn’t going to back impeachment. It typically backfires. But in Clinton’s case, he won both the popular vote and the EC so I’m not sure you can compare situations.... meaning Clinton was more popular the Trump. Additionally, Pelosi is correct it will further polarize the citizens. Trump has a sh*t ton of investigations circling him. I think as time goes on the only support he will get in from Cult45, Graham, and McConnell. Trump is stupid and toxic. He should not be President because he is f*cking stupid and a con artist.

I agree with everything you wrote. But I think the Democrats need to impeach the POTUS, else they will appear weak, as if they are looking the other way at POTUS's crimes.

In any case, impeach or not, it's going to be a mess. The Democrats are not going to sit and allow the POTUS to order federal employees (paid by us, not him) to ignore legal subpoenas, risking jail.

BTW, how come the Democrats are not jailing the people who are ignoring their subpoenas? Doesn't Congress have the right to jail people if they disobey the law?

Let Gore, McGahn sit in jail for a few weeks. They might change their minds and disobey their Despotic Orange Leader.

Why not? The federal employees who worked under Obama ignored subpoenas all the time. They have a model to follow.

I'm trying to remember when Obama told federal employees to refuse to respond to subpoenas from the House. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any times that happened. Can you refresh my memory?

You can start with holder. Refused subpoenas and was actually found in contempt. Congressional subpoenas have no teeth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They aren’t going to impeach him. Nor should they. He should lose the next election then be carted off to prison with his loser children.

I think you misunderstand impeachment.

The House impeaches the POTUS.
Then, there is a trial in the Senate. If he is found guilty, then the POTUS is removed from office. This has never happened.

Bill Clinton was impeached in the House, but acquitted in the Senate, so he stayed in office.

If the House impeaches the Orange Criminal, the Senate will hold a trial, but will most likely acquit him, as the Senate is controlled by McConnell, a criminal himself, and the GOP, complicit all.

Not sure what part of my post lead you to believe I was misinformed on the process...? Pelosi isn’t going to back impeachment. It typically backfires. But in Clinton’s case, he won both the popular vote and the EC so I’m not sure you can compare situations.... meaning Clinton was more popular the Trump. Additionally, Pelosi is correct it will further polarize the citizens. Trump has a sh*t ton of investigations circling him. I think as time goes on the only support he will get in from Cult45, Graham, and McConnell. Trump is stupid and toxic. He should not be President because he is f*cking stupid and a con artist.

I agree with everything you wrote. But I think the Democrats need to impeach the POTUS, else they will appear weak, as if they are looking the other way at POTUS's crimes.

In any case, impeach or not, it's going to be a mess. The Democrats are not going to sit and allow the POTUS to order federal employees (paid by us, not him) to ignore legal subpoenas, risking jail.

BTW, how come the Democrats are not jailing the people who are ignoring their subpoenas? Doesn't Congress have the right to jail people if they disobey the law?

Let Gore, McGahn sit in jail for a few weeks. They might change their minds and disobey their Despotic Orange Leader.

Why not? The federal employees who worked under Obama ignored subpoenas all the time. They have a model to follow.

I'm trying to remember when Obama told federal employees to refuse to respond to subpoenas from the House. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any times that happened. Can you refresh my memory?

You can start with holder. Refused subpoenas and was actually found in contempt. Congressional subpoenas have no teeth.

I guess you can't remember any time that Obama told someone to refuse to comply with a subpoena either.

Unprecedented.

[Anonymous]

It's time. The president is a corrupt criminal.

The most corrupt and most criminal president in our history. More than Warren Harding. More than Nixon. Time to go into the dustbin of history, Traitor Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's time. The president is a corrupt criminal.

The most corrupt and most criminal president in our history. More than Warren Harding. More than Nixon. Time to go into the dustbin of history, Traitor Trump.

Any day now right?

[Anonymous]

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Seem pretty inevitable now.

There was a little bit of floating and uncertainty last week and through the weekend as people processed the implications of the Mueller Report, but I'm sensing this week that there is a clearer understanding that the President did in fact obstruct justice. Congress investigations will not only confirm that by hearing key witnesses on the issues, but also keep the President's misdeeds in the spotlight, live on TV, for weeks or months. Trump has everything to lose in that scenario, because his approval rating has always gone down whenever his most egregious behaviors have been foremost in people's minds.

Seen in that light, it matters little to Democrats that the Senate will acquit the President. The important thing is for impeachment proceedings to start, to prove that Congress is doing the job it was appointed to do. If Republicans don't want to impeach, it will be on their heads, not on the heads of Democrats.

And to people saying additional investigations or impeachment proceedings take away from critically important (campaign) topics such as climate change, healthcare, gun control, etc, I don't think so. Democrats and Republicans have been pursuing their respective agendas throughout the roller-coaster ride of this White House administration. These people can multitask, and voters can pay attention to multiple topics.

Way too late to impeach Obama for his dereliction of duty.

But I guess someone will ask Biden during the primaries what exactly did he do to prevent all the Russian operations which we now know started in 2014?

[Anonymous]

Give it up ....... there will be no impeachment.

Just as there was no removal under the 25th Amendment.

[Anonymous]

Politics aside, I've always found it galling that 'impeachment' has nothing whatsoever to do with peaches. Can't we involve peaches somehow?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Politics aside, I've always found it galling that 'impeachment' has nothing whatsoever to do with peaches. Can't we involve peaches somehow?

“Millions of peaches, peaches for me...”

Meanwhile, numerous top Democrats are now seriously considering impeachment hearings as required response to Trump's maximal resistance to oversight. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/30/us/politics/trump-democrats-impeachment.html#click=https://t.co/xflIAAdZYW