APS: What's in a name? (Washington-Lee)

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Anonymous wrote:How about replacing R.E. Lee with Major General William C Lee? Father of the US Army Airborne who fought in WWI and WWII?

You're not getting the point. All white dudes are bad, it's just differences of degree, not kind. That's why they couldn't name a school after John Glenn.

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Anonymous wrote:The people screaming the loudest are the same white parents who throw on orange t-shirts and do whatever it takes to avoid the brown kids in south Arlington.
It all just rings hollow.
Integrate the schools, then I’ll give an F.

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A name change is window dressing for limo liberals to make themselves feel better. If they truly were concerned, when the high school boundaries were being redrawn, they would have suggested the name change at that time AND pushed to have boundaries that would create more diversity at Yorktown. Neither happened.

Completely honest question. If no one is really interested in busing kids from north to south and south to north, how is APS supposed to unwind the stratification of Arlington that has built up over many decades, in part due to county housing plans?

I'm not saying APS can't start moving in the right direction. I just think it will take decades to unwind.

If you had been following the last 2 go arounds you would know that APS caved to north Arlington limo liberals and made the schools more degraded and concentrated poverty. This name stuff is such a crock. Change the name. Don’t change the name. Whatever, but don’t pretend that it is any way meaningful. We’ve had opportunities to make meaningful progressive changes and we don’t. We never do.

Bingo. They don't want to look in the mirror so they dig up long dead bogeymen from the past.

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Anonymous wrote:The people screaming the loudest are the same white parents who throw on orange t-shirts and do whatever it takes to avoid the brown kids in south Arlington.
It all just rings hollow.
Integrate the schools, then I’ll give an F.

x10000 times this

A name change is window dressing for limo liberals to make themselves feel better. If they truly were concerned, when the high school boundaries were being redrawn, they would have suggested the name change at that time AND pushed to have boundaries that would create more diversity at Yorktown. Neither happened.

Completely honest question. If no one is really interested in busing kids from north to south and south to north, how is APS supposed to unwind the stratification of Arlington that has built up over many decades, in part due to county housing plans?

I'm not saying APS can't start moving in the right direction. I just think it will take decades to unwind.

If you had been following the last 2 go arounds you would know that APS caved to north Arlington limo liberals and made the schools more degraded and concentrated poverty. This name stuff is such a crock. Change the name. Don’t change the name. Whatever, but don’t pretend that it is any way meaningful. We’ve had opportunities to make meaningful progressive changes and we don’t. We never do.

It was a serious question. False narratives and red herrings don't change the fact that there is no easy solution to unwind years of bad policy, unless we implement busing. Even if the SB hadn't "caved" as you call it, the few planning units would not have made significant changes. Sure it would have been a nice start, but there is no magic solution until the county is less segregated or there is busing.

As for "following the last 2 go arounds", there is no need to assume that opinions that don't align with yours are ignorant. We HAVE been following and have been discussing these same issues with Nancy and Barbara and Reid and Tania and Monique. And before them James and Emma and Sally and Noah.

Would you care to make an honest attempt to answer to the question?

I really wish there were a good and timely solution.

The only people uninterested in busing are north Arlington liberals on a first name basis with local politicians. Plenty of people south of 50 who are quite interested in integrated schools. The red herring is that north Arlington only objects to the means (bussing) not the ends (integrated schools).

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Anonymous wrote:The people screaming the loudest are the same white parents who throw on orange t-shirts and do whatever it takes to avoid the brown kids in south Arlington.
It all just rings hollow.
Integrate the schools, then I’ll give an F.

x10000 times this

A name change is window dressing for limo liberals to make themselves feel better. If they truly were concerned, when the high school boundaries were being redrawn, they would have suggested the name change at that time AND pushed to have boundaries that would create more diversity at Yorktown. Neither happened.

Completely honest question. If no one is really interested in busing kids from north to south and south to north, how is APS supposed to unwind the stratification of Arlington that has built up over many decades, in part due to county housing plans?

I'm not saying APS can't start moving in the right direction. I just think it will take decades to unwind.

If you had been following the last 2 go arounds you would know that APS caved to north Arlington limo liberals and made the schools more degraded and concentrated poverty. This name stuff is such a crock. Change the name. Don’t change the name. Whatever, but don’t pretend that it is any way meaningful. We’ve had opportunities to make meaningful progressive changes and we don’t. We never do.

It was a serious question. False narratives and red herrings don't change the fact that there is no easy solution to unwind years of bad policy, unless we implement busing. Even if the SB hadn't "caved" as you call it, the few planning units would not have made significant changes. Sure it would have been a nice start, but there is no magic solution until the county is less segregated or there is busing.

As for "following the last 2 go arounds", there is no need to assume that opinions that don't align with yours are ignorant. We HAVE been following and have been discussing these same issues with Nancy and Barbara and Reid and Tania and Monique. And before them James and Emma and Sally and Noah.

Would you care to make an honest attempt to answer to the question?

I really wish there were a good and timely solution.

The only people uninterested in busing are north Arlington liberals on a first name basis with local politicians. Plenty of people south of 50 who are quite interested in integrated schools. The red herring is that north Arlington only objects to the means (bussing) not the ends (integrated schools).

Wrong. The NA republicans are every bit as uninterested in bussing as the limo liberals. Would you like students bussed to your kid’s school who were Farms and had poor test scores? Dont think so.

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Anonymous wrote:The people screaming the loudest are the same white parents who throw on orange t-shirts and do whatever it takes to avoid the brown kids in south Arlington.
It all just rings hollow.
Integrate the schools, then I’ll give an F.

x10000 times this

A name change is window dressing for limo liberals to make themselves feel better. If they truly were concerned, when the high school boundaries were being redrawn, they would have suggested the name change at that time AND pushed to have boundaries that would create more diversity at Yorktown. Neither happened.

Completely honest question. If no one is really interested in busing kids from north to south and south to north, how is APS supposed to unwind the stratification of Arlington that has built up over many decades, in part due to county housing plans?

I'm not saying APS can't start moving in the right direction. I just think it will take decades to unwind.

If you had been following the last 2 go arounds you would know that APS caved to north Arlington limo liberals and made the schools more degraded and concentrated poverty. This name stuff is such a crock. Change the name. Don’t change the name. Whatever, but don’t pretend that it is any way meaningful. We’ve had opportunities to make meaningful progressive changes and we don’t. We never do.

It was a serious question. False narratives and red herrings don't change the fact that there is no easy solution to unwind years of bad policy, unless we implement busing. Even if the SB hadn't "caved" as you call it, the few planning units would not have made significant changes. Sure it would have been a nice start, but there is no magic solution until the county is less segregated or there is busing.

As for "following the last 2 go arounds", there is no need to assume that opinions that don't align with yours are ignorant. We HAVE been following and have been discussing these same issues with Nancy and Barbara and Reid and Tania and Monique. And before them James and Emma and Sally and Noah.

Would you care to make an honest attempt to answer to the question?

I really wish there were a good and timely solution.

The only people uninterested in busing are north Arlington liberals on a first name basis with local politicians. Plenty of people south of 50 who are quite interested in integrated schools. The red herring is that north Arlington only objects to the means (bussing) not the ends (integrated schools).

Wrong. The NA republicans are every bit as uninterested in bussing as the limo liberals. Would you like students bussed to your kid’s school who were Farms and had poor test scores? Dont think so.

Still wrong. No one in any part of Arlington. Well, except for a handful of people who don't want to be "stuck with the poors". The ones from SA who applied to choice schools and didn't get in.

Anyway, go look at the poll results. Almost everyone values proximity. Most people don't want busing. Busing doesn't work.

Why don't you just move to Tuckahoe?

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Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance here. It wasn't about slavery. Enjoy being brainwashed!

You were the one brainwashed by your VA textbooks. The rest of us have critical thinking skills. It was about preserving the Southern economy, and protecting the rights of wealthy property owners. Not coincidentally, both things were dependent upon chattel slavery. So yes, it was about state's rights to self-govern and individual's rights to own other human beings as property, aka, it was about slavery.

Actually, Lee's motivation for resigning his commission was based on his loyalty to the state of Virginia, so it wasn't all about slavery, to Lee. He made it clear that he was against secession, and only resigned his commission once Virginia actually seceded.

Yup. You were brainwashed.

What year did you graduate HS? Wonder if they still teach that crap in APS. Richmond/VA DOE is still controlled by the nutters. Did you see the abstinence education crap they’re starting to insert?

I did not attend APS schools. Sorry.

VA? What year?

Yes to VA...70s/80s. Not that it matters. Plenty of documentation, outside of classroom history books, that supports the assertion that he was most concerned about being loyal to Virginia.

“Loyalty to VA” doesn’t mean much. German commanders who were “loyal to Germany” weren’t any less Nazi leaders.

“Loyalty to VA” = loyalty to slavery. Many people in VA were happy to abolish slavery. That’s why we now have WV.

It means something. It means that he was conflicted about the dissolution of the Union. There were things about both the southern states and northern states, that he did not like. Read his letters just prior to Virginia's secession. He clearly felt he had no choice but to be loyal to Virginia.

Was he a slaveholder? Yes. Was that terrible? Of course. However, that does not mean that slavery was HIS reason for supporting Virginia's secession. Further, I have yet to meet anyone who thinks that Lee's name on W-L high school was meant to honor the fact that he was a slaveholder.

Loyalty to VA = loyalty to slavery. He made his choice. He chose to lead an army to fight -- to kill others -- to maintain slavery.

It wasn't just that he was a slaveholder, but that he led an army to fight to keep slavery. The W-L name is celebrating this GENERAL of the Confederacy.

W-L was created in 1925 during peak Jim Crow era -- it celebrates a Confederate general. Of course, it was intended at that time to boost white supremacy.

Brainwashed.

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Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance here. It wasn't about slavery. Enjoy being brainwashed!

You were the one brainwashed by your VA textbooks. The rest of us have critical thinking skills. It was about preserving the Southern economy, and protecting the rights of wealthy property owners. Not coincidentally, both things were dependent upon chattel slavery. So yes, it was about state's rights to self-govern and individual's rights to own other human beings as property, aka, it was about slavery.

Actually, Lee's motivation for resigning his commission was based on his loyalty to the state of Virginia, so it wasn't all about slavery, to Lee. He made it clear that he was against secession, and only resigned his commission once Virginia actually seceded.

Yup. You were brainwashed.

What year did you graduate HS? Wonder if they still teach that crap in APS. Richmond/VA DOE is still controlled by the nutters. Did you see the abstinence education crap they’re starting to insert?

I did not attend APS schools. Sorry.

VA? What year?

Yes to VA...70s/80s. Not that it matters. Plenty of documentation, outside of classroom history books, that supports the assertion that he was most concerned about being loyal to Virginia.

“Loyalty to VA” doesn’t mean much. German commanders who were “loyal to Germany” weren’t any less Nazi leaders.

“Loyalty to VA” = loyalty to slavery. Many people in VA were happy to abolish slavery. That’s why we now have WV.

It means something. It means that he was conflicted about the dissolution of the Union. There were things about both the southern states and northern states, that he did not like. Read his letters just prior to Virginia's secession. He clearly felt he had no choice but to be loyal to Virginia.

Was he a slaveholder? Yes. Was that terrible? Of course. However, that does not mean that slavery was HIS reason for supporting Virginia's secession. Further, I have yet to meet anyone who thinks that Lee's name on W-L high school was meant to honor the fact that he was a slaveholder.

Loyalty to VA = loyalty to slavery. He made his choice. He chose to lead an army to fight -- to kill others -- to maintain slavery.

It wasn't just that he was a slaveholder, but that he led an army to fight to keep slavery. The W-L name is celebrating this GENERAL of the Confederacy.

W-L was created in 1925 during peak Jim Crow era -- it celebrates a Confederate general. Of course, it was intended at that time to boost white supremacy.

Brainwashed.

But...Generals. LOL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people screaming the loudest are the same white parents who throw on orange t-shirts and do whatever it takes to avoid the brown kids in south Arlington.
It all just rings hollow.
Integrate the schools, then I’ll give an F.

x10000 times this

A name change is window dressing for limo liberals to make themselves feel better. If they truly were concerned, when the high school boundaries were being redrawn, they would have suggested the name change at that time AND pushed to have boundaries that would create more diversity at Yorktown. Neither happened.

Completely honest question. If no one is really interested in busing kids from north to south and south to north, how is APS supposed to unwind the stratification of Arlington that has built up over many decades, in part due to county housing plans?

I'm not saying APS can't start moving in the right direction. I just think it will take decades to unwind.

If you had been following the last 2 go arounds you would know that APS caved to north Arlington limo liberals and made the schools more degraded and concentrated poverty. This name stuff is such a crock. Change the name. Don’t change the name. Whatever, but don’t pretend that it is any way meaningful. We’ve had opportunities to make meaningful progressive changes and we don’t. We never do.

It was a serious question. False narratives and red herrings don't change the fact that there is no easy solution to unwind years of bad policy, unless we implement busing. Even if the SB hadn't "caved" as you call it, the few planning units would not have made significant changes. Sure it would have been a nice start, but there is no magic solution until the county is less segregated or there is busing.

As for "following the last 2 go arounds", there is no need to assume that opinions that don't align with yours are ignorant. We HAVE been following and have been discussing these same issues with Nancy and Barbara and Reid and Tania and Monique. And before them James and Emma and Sally and Noah.

Would you care to make an honest attempt to answer to the question?

I really wish there were a good and timely solution.

The only people uninterested in busing are north Arlington liberals on a first name basis with local politicians. Plenty of people south of 50 who are quite interested in integrated schools. The red herring is that north Arlington only objects to the means (bussing) not the ends (integrated schools).

This.

A simple solution would have been to make boundary lines vertical and not nori zonal and then every singl school would have residents from north and south arlington. And people who are opposed to bussing in a county as small as Arlingtom just sound dumb. The bus ride would have been fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about replacing R.E. Lee with Major General William C Lee? Father of the US Army Airborne who fought in WWI and WWII?

You're not getting the point. All white dudes are bad, it's just differences of degree, not kind. That's why they couldn't name a school after John Glenn.

No, they didn't give it his name because he wasn't dead yet. School was completed in 2015, but he didn't die until 2016. The county has a policy of not naming schools for people who are still living (you know, in case they do something abhorrent).

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Anonymous wrote:The people screaming the loudest are the same white parents who throw on orange t-shirts and do whatever it takes to avoid the brown kids in south Arlington.
It all just rings hollow.
Integrate the schools, then I’ll give an F.

x10000 times this

A name change is window dressing for limo liberals to make themselves feel better. If they truly were concerned, when the high school boundaries were being redrawn, they would have suggested the name change at that time AND pushed to have boundaries that would create more diversity at Yorktown. Neither happened.

Completely honest question. If no one is really interested in busing kids from north to south and south to north, how is APS supposed to unwind the stratification of Arlington that has built up over many decades, in part due to county housing plans?

I'm not saying APS can't start moving in the right direction. I just think it will take decades to unwind.

If you had been following the last 2 go arounds you would know that APS caved to north Arlington limo liberals and made the schools more degraded and concentrated poverty. This name stuff is such a crock. Change the name. Don’t change the name. Whatever, but don’t pretend that it is any way meaningful. We’ve had opportunities to make meaningful progressive changes and we don’t. We never do.

It was a serious question. False narratives and red herrings don't change the fact that there is no easy solution to unwind years of bad policy, unless we implement busing. Even if the SB hadn't "caved" as you call it, the few planning units would not have made significant changes. Sure it would have been a nice start, but there is no magic solution until the county is less segregated or there is busing.

As for "following the last 2 go arounds", there is no need to assume that opinions that don't align with yours are ignorant. We HAVE been following and have been discussing these same issues with Nancy and Barbara and Reid and Tania and Monique. And before them James and Emma and Sally and Noah.

Would you care to make an honest attempt to answer to the question?

I really wish there were a good and timely solution.

The only people uninterested in busing are north Arlington liberals on a first name basis with local politicians. Plenty of people south of 50 who are quite interested in integrated schools. The red herring is that north Arlington only objects to the means (bussing) not the ends (integrated schools).

This.

A simple solution would have been to make boundary lines vertical and not nori zonal and then every singl school would have residents from north and south arlington. And people who are opposed to bussing in a county as small as Arlingtom just sound dumb. The bus ride would have been fine.

What dont you understand? The people in NA dont want poors with low test scores bussed into their kids schools. A handul of poors, maybe. But thousands of them? Oh hell nah. Do you blame them? Would you want poors/low test scores to inundate your kids’ schools? Im not taking about a poor here and a poor there. Im talking about busloads and busloads of them.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/

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If you care more about a dead traitor fighting for slavery vs. real live kids at the school today, then that says a lot about you.

And you bought into the white supremist propaganda elevating him as some kind of hero.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/

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Anonymous wrote:Raise your hand if you'd change your name because someone didn't like it. If not, STFU.

I’m sure that many students there today would like to change the name of their school. They don’t want to celebrate someone who fought the US to preserve slavery.

Keep drinking the kool aid. It wasn't about slavery.

What history books are you reading? It absolutely was about slavery. The only reason we kept it together during the revolution was we had a common enemy...Great Britain. But, there were the cracks from the very beginning.

Why did 4 slave holding states fight for the union?

Lincoln had to make a strategic concessions. Yes, they had slaves but, he didn't want to DC to be surrounded by the enemy. He would have lost the union and then slavery would still exist. This way, he got the four states on his side and then when they won slavery could be abolished and it was. Too bad Lincoln was murdered because the South basically ruled by fear and kept blacks in slavery without the name slavery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people screaming the loudest are the same white parents who throw on orange t-shirts and do whatever it takes to avoid the brown kids in south Arlington.
It all just rings hollow.
Integrate the schools, then I’ll give an F.

x10000 times this

A name change is window dressing for limo liberals to make themselves feel better. If they truly were concerned, when the high school boundaries were being redrawn, they would have suggested the name change at that time AND pushed to have boundaries that would create more diversity at Yorktown. Neither happened.

Completely honest question. If no one is really interested in busing kids from north to south and south to north, how is APS supposed to unwind the stratification of Arlington that has built up over many decades, in part due to county housing plans?

I'm not saying APS can't start moving in the right direction. I just think it will take decades to unwind.

If you had been following the last 2 go arounds you would know that APS caved to north Arlington limo liberals and made the schools more degraded and concentrated poverty. This name stuff is such a crock. Change the name. Don’t change the name. Whatever, but don’t pretend that it is any way meaningful. We’ve had opportunities to make meaningful progressive changes and we don’t. We never do.

Arlington Forest is a prime example of the hypocrisy of Arlington "liberals."

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Lincoln had to make a strategic concessions. Yes, they had slaves but, he didn't want to DC to be surrounded by the enemy. He would have lost the union and then slavery would still exist. This way, he got the four states on his side and then when they won slavery could be abolished and it was. Too bad Lincoln was murdered because the South basically ruled by fear and kept blacks in slavery without the name slavery.

Now we are getting closer. The real agenda was for this renaming to be done quietly. The Democratic Party needs to rewrite history and whitewash the past QUIETLY. The can't let people realize that the Democrats were the party of the Old South, of slavery, of Jim Crow, of Bull Conner, and of Woodrow Wilson. Can't have anyone realize that the KKK was the militant wing of the Democrats during Reconstruction. That being said, Robert E Lee wasn't the worst Democrat of that era. That "honor" would likely fall to Nathan Bedford Forrest.