APS: What's in a name? (Washington-Lee)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. Why is there so much opposition to changing the name of Washington-Lee HS?

Because a lot of people still respect General Lee. What's so hard about that?

Because it’s 2018 and we don’t like people who fight for slavery.

Who are we? Many people still like General Lee despite the fact he fought for the South. Do you accept that people can have different opinions?

We = decent people who don’t like slavery

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance here. It wasn't about slavery. Enjoy being brainwashed!

You were the one brainwashed by your VA textbooks. The rest of us have critical thinking skills. It was about preserving the Southern economy, and protecting the rights of wealthy property owners. Not coincidentally, both things were dependent upon chattel slavery. So yes, it was about state's rights to self-govern and individual's rights to own other human beings as property, aka, it was about slavery.

Actually, Lee's motivation for resigning his commission was based on his loyalty to the state of Virginia, so it wasn't all about slavery, to Lee. He made it clear that he was against secession, and only resigned his commission once Virginia actually seceded.

Yup. You were brainwashed.

What year did you graduate HS? Wonder if they still teach that crap in APS. Richmond/VA DOE is still controlled by the nutters. Did you see the abstinence education crap they’re starting to insert?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance here. It wasn't about slavery. Enjoy being brainwashed!

You were the one brainwashed by your VA textbooks. The rest of us have critical thinking skills. It was about preserving the Southern economy, and protecting the rights of wealthy property owners. Not coincidentally, both things were dependent upon chattel slavery. So yes, it was about state's rights to self-govern and individual's rights to own other human beings as property, aka, it was about slavery.

Actually, Lee's motivation for resigning his commission was based on his loyalty to the state of Virginia, so it wasn't all about slavery, to Lee. He made it clear that he was against secession, and only resigned his commission once Virginia actually seceded.

Yup. You were brainwashed.

What year did you graduate HS? Wonder if they still teach that crap in APS. Richmond/VA DOE is still controlled by the nutters. Did you see the abstinence education crap they’re starting to insert?

I did not attend APS schools. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance here. It wasn't about slavery. Enjoy being brainwashed!

You were the one brainwashed by your VA textbooks. The rest of us have critical thinking skills. It was about preserving the Southern economy, and protecting the rights of wealthy property owners. Not coincidentally, both things were dependent upon chattel slavery. So yes, it was about state's rights to self-govern and individual's rights to own other human beings as property, aka, it was about slavery.

Actually, Lee's motivation for resigning his commission was based on his loyalty to the state of Virginia, so it wasn't all about slavery, to Lee. He made it clear that he was against secession, and only resigned his commission once Virginia actually seceded.

Yup. You were brainwashed.

What year did you graduate HS? Wonder if they still teach that crap in APS. Richmond/VA DOE is still controlled by the nutters. Did you see the abstinence education crap they’re starting to insert?

I did not attend APS schools. Sorry.

VA? What year?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance here. It wasn't about slavery. Enjoy being brainwashed!

You were the one brainwashed by your VA textbooks. The rest of us have critical thinking skills. It was about preserving the Southern economy, and protecting the rights of wealthy property owners. Not coincidentally, both things were dependent upon chattel slavery. So yes, it was about state's rights to self-govern and individual's rights to own other human beings as property, aka, it was about slavery.

Actually, Lee's motivation for resigning his commission was based on his loyalty to the state of Virginia, so it wasn't all about slavery, to Lee. He made it clear that he was against secession, and only resigned his commission once Virginia actually seceded.

Yup. You were brainwashed.

What year did you graduate HS? Wonder if they still teach that crap in APS. Richmond/VA DOE is still controlled by the nutters. Did you see the abstinence education crap they’re starting to insert?

I did not attend APS schools. Sorry.

VA? What year?

Yes to VA...70s/80s. Not that it matters. Plenty of documentation, outside of classroom history books, that supports the assertion that he was most concerned about being loyal to Virginia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance here. It wasn't about slavery. Enjoy being brainwashed!

You were the one brainwashed by your VA textbooks. The rest of us have critical thinking skills. It was about preserving the Southern economy, and protecting the rights of wealthy property owners. Not coincidentally, both things were dependent upon chattel slavery. So yes, it was about state's rights to self-govern and individual's rights to own other human beings as property, aka, it was about slavery.

Actually, Lee's motivation for resigning his commission was based on his loyalty to the state of Virginia, so it wasn't all about slavery, to Lee. He made it clear that he was against secession, and only resigned his commission once Virginia actually seceded.

Yup. You were brainwashed.

What year did you graduate HS? Wonder if they still teach that crap in APS. Richmond/VA DOE is still controlled by the nutters. Did you see the abstinence education crap they’re starting to insert?

I did not attend APS schools. Sorry.

VA? What year?

Yes to VA...70s/80s. Not that it matters. Plenty of documentation, outside of classroom history books, that supports the assertion that he was most concerned about being loyal to Virginia.

“Loyalty to VA” doesn’t mean much. German commanders who were “loyal to Germany” weren’t any less Nazi leaders.

“Loyalty to VA” = loyalty to slavery. Many people in VA were happy to abolish slavery. That’s why we now have WV.

[Anonymous]

How about replacing R.E. Lee with Major General William C Lee? Father of the US Army Airborne who fought in WWI and WWII?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance here. It wasn't about slavery. Enjoy being brainwashed!

You were the one brainwashed by your VA textbooks. The rest of us have critical thinking skills. It was about preserving the Southern economy, and protecting the rights of wealthy property owners. Not coincidentally, both things were dependent upon chattel slavery. So yes, it was about state's rights to self-govern and individual's rights to own other human beings as property, aka, it was about slavery.

Actually, Lee's motivation for resigning his commission was based on his loyalty to the state of Virginia, so it wasn't all about slavery, to Lee. He made it clear that he was against secession, and only resigned his commission once Virginia actually seceded.

Yup. You were brainwashed.

What year did you graduate HS? Wonder if they still teach that crap in APS. Richmond/VA DOE is still controlled by the nutters. Did you see the abstinence education crap they’re starting to insert?

I did not attend APS schools. Sorry.

VA? What year?

Yes to VA...70s/80s. Not that it matters. Plenty of documentation, outside of classroom history books, that supports the assertion that he was most concerned about being loyal to Virginia.

“Loyalty to VA” doesn’t mean much. German commanders who were “loyal to Germany” weren’t any less Nazi leaders.

“Loyalty to VA” = loyalty to slavery. Many people in VA were happy to abolish slavery. That’s why we now have WV.

It means something. It means that he was conflicted about the dissolution of the Union. There were things about both the southern states and northern states, that he did not like. Read his letters just prior to Virginia's secession. He clearly felt he had no choice but to be loyal to Virginia.

Was he a slaveholder? Yes. Was that terrible? Of course. However, that does not mean that slavery was HIS reason for supporting Virginia's secession. Further, I have yet to meet anyone who thinks that Lee's name on W-L high school was meant to honor the fact that he was a slaveholder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Raise your hand if you'd change your name because someone didn't like it. If not, STFU.

You have it backwards. Raise your hand if you want someone else to tell you that you can't change your own name, even if you don't like it.

APS has full authority to change the names of schools withing their jurisdiction, whether people like it or not. That's reality.

As a kid, I remember watching a basketball team called the Washington Bullets. I wonder what happened to that team after it was shutdown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people screaming the loudest are the same white parents who throw on orange t-shirts and do whatever it takes to avoid the brown kids in south Arlington.
It all just rings hollow.
Integrate the schools, then I’ll give an F.

x10000 times this

A name change is window dressing for limo liberals to make themselves feel better. If they truly were concerned, when the high school boundaries were being redrawn, they would have suggested the name change at that time AND pushed to have boundaries that would create more diversity at Yorktown. Neither happened.

Completely honest question. If no one is really interested in busing kids from north to south and south to north, how is APS supposed to unwind the stratification of Arlington that has built up over many decades, in part due to county housing plans?

I'm not saying APS can't start moving in the right direction. I just think it will take decades to unwind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Raise your hand if you'd change your name because someone didn't like it. If not, STFU.

You have it backwards. Raise your hand if you want someone else to tell you that you can't change your own name, even if you don't like it.

APS has full authority to change the names of schools withing their jurisdiction, whether people like it or not. That's reality.

As a kid, I remember watching a basketball team called the Washington Bullets. I wonder what happened to that team after it was shutdown.

That analogy only works if you were a member of the Washington bullets. Were you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people screaming the loudest are the same white parents who throw on orange t-shirts and do whatever it takes to avoid the brown kids in south Arlington.
It all just rings hollow.
Integrate the schools, then I’ll give an F.

x10000 times this

A name change is window dressing for limo liberals to make themselves feel better. If they truly were concerned, when the high school boundaries were being redrawn, they would have suggested the name change at that time AND pushed to have boundaries that would create more diversity at Yorktown. Neither happened.

Completely honest question. If no one is really interested in busing kids from north to south and south to north, how is APS supposed to unwind the stratification of Arlington that has built up over many decades, in part due to county housing plans?

I'm not saying APS can't start moving in the right direction. I just think it will take decades to unwind.

If you had been following the last 2 go arounds you would know that APS caved to north Arlington limo liberals and made the schools more degraded and concentrated poverty. This name stuff is such a crock. Change the name. Don’t change the name. Whatever, but don’t pretend that it is any way meaningful. We’ve had opportunities to make meaningful progressive changes and we don’t. We never do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people screaming the loudest are the same white parents who throw on orange t-shirts and do whatever it takes to avoid the brown kids in south Arlington.
It all just rings hollow.
Integrate the schools, then I’ll give an F.

x10000 times this

A name change is window dressing for limo liberals to make themselves feel better. If they truly were concerned, when the high school boundaries were being redrawn, they would have suggested the name change at that time AND pushed to have boundaries that would create more diversity at Yorktown. Neither happened.

Completely honest question. If no one is really interested in busing kids from north to south and south to north, how is APS supposed to unwind the stratification of Arlington that has built up over many decades, in part due to county housing plans?

I'm not saying APS can't start moving in the right direction. I just think it will take decades to unwind.

If you had been following the last 2 go arounds you would know that APS caved to north Arlington limo liberals and made the schools more degraded and concentrated poverty. This name stuff is such a crock. Change the name. Don’t change the name. Whatever, but don’t pretend that it is any way meaningful. We’ve had opportunities to make meaningful progressive changes and we don’t. We never do.

At least APS got that right. If they could just now back of this silly name chage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people screaming the loudest are the same white parents who throw on orange t-shirts and do whatever it takes to avoid the brown kids in south Arlington.
It all just rings hollow.
Integrate the schools, then I’ll give an F.

x10000 times this

A name change is window dressing for limo liberals to make themselves feel better. If they truly were concerned, when the high school boundaries were being redrawn, they would have suggested the name change at that time AND pushed to have boundaries that would create more diversity at Yorktown. Neither happened.

Completely honest question. If no one is really interested in busing kids from north to south and south to north, how is APS supposed to unwind the stratification of Arlington that has built up over many decades, in part due to county housing plans?

I'm not saying APS can't start moving in the right direction. I just think it will take decades to unwind.

If you had been following the last 2 go arounds you would know that APS caved to north Arlington limo liberals and made the schools more degraded and concentrated poverty. This name stuff is such a crock. Change the name. Don’t change the name. Whatever, but don’t pretend that it is any way meaningful. We’ve had opportunities to make meaningful progressive changes and we don’t. We never do.

It was a serious question. False narratives and red herrings don't change the fact that there is no easy solution to unwind years of bad policy, unless we implement busing. Even if the SB hadn't "caved" as you call it, the few planning units would not have made significant changes. Sure it would have been a nice start, but there is no magic solution until the county is less segregated or there is busing.

As for "following the last 2 go arounds", there is no need to assume that opinions that don't align with yours are ignorant. We HAVE been following and have been discussing these same issues with Nancy and Barbara and Reid and Tania and Monique. And before them James and Emma and Sally and Noah.

Would you care to make an honest attempt to answer to the question?

I really wish there were a good and timely solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people went there. They don’t want their past erased.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Until 15 yrs ago wakefield had an indian head for a mascot but its still the same