APS: What's in a name? (Washington-Lee)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just turned onto Lee Jackson Highway. OMG we have to erase all of it. There was never a civil war.

You shouldn't text and drive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just turned onto Lee Jackson Highway. OMG we have to erase all of it. There was never a civil war.

Naw. Just change to the winner - Grant Highway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I want my kids to be surrounded by the smartest kids possible. If test scores and other performance indicia. If test scores, etc. are correlated with race and income, simple logic suggests that my motivation is neither racism nor classism. As for property value considerations, what's wrong with that? Don't you value your property? If you are not a hypocrite, tell where you live and leave all your shit on the lawn so we can steal it you commie bastard.

As far as you want to bus high-performing NA kids south to help diversify your kids' school, this merely makes you a little fascist helping yourself at the expense of others through government coercion.

LOL, you're not a new poster. You're the same troll.

Yes he is a new poster and Im the pp and not a troll, you dimwitted South Arlingtonian.

Dp- yeah, we know. North arlignton is full of the likes of you. Sad.

[Anonymous]

Aw .. you hurt my feelings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not just rename it Washington-Lincoln HS? Sounds almost identical, plus they can keep the W-L abbreviation. Easy fix

Washington was a slave owner. Where does this stop?

Well I don't think they're renaming the nation's capital anytime soon...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aw .. you hurt my feelings.

Hilarious. We all know you have no feelings.

[Anonymous]

Ah, Ms. Southie; willing over the hearts and minds of DCUM since 2012.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I want my kids to be surrounded by the smartest kids possible. If test scores and other performance indicia. If test scores, etc. are correlated with race and income, simple logic suggests that my motivation is neither racism nor classism. As for property value considerations, what's wrong with that? Don't you value your property? If you are not a hypocrite, tell where you live and leave all your shit on the lawn so we can steal it you commie bastard.

As far as you want to bus high-performing NA kids south to help diversify your kids' school, this merely makes you a little fascist helping yourself at the expense of others through government coercion.

LOL, you're not a new poster. You're the same troll.

Yes he is a new poster and Im the pp and not a troll, you dimwitted South Arlingtonian.

So you and your dad post? Cool.

[Anonymous]

NP here:
1) When I first moved to Arlington, I was surprised how many things were named after Confederates. As a person of color, I am not comfortable sending my kids to a school with Lee attached to the name. I welcome a name change.

2) I don't really see it as erasing history, as it's not a zero-sum game. Lincoln and Congress decided not to punish Confederates as harshly as they could have so that the nation could heal. Instead, places in the South venerated those leaders and made shrines to them. Naming a high school Washington-Lee suggests that Lee should be ranked with a founding father and signals to people of color that we're not really welcome. Times have changed.

3) At the county fair, there was a table for raising money to keep the name. The looks on the women working that table when I stopped to read their signs told me all I need to know about some of the people who support keeping the name.

4) I offer up the name of Washington-Lincoln Hayes (Mod Squad). Hopefully, that will at least make some people smile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here:
1) When I first moved to Arlington, I was surprised how many things were named after Confederates. As a person of color, I am not comfortable sending my kids to a school with Lee attached to the name. I welcome a name change.

2) I don't really see it as erasing history, as it's not a zero-sum game. Lincoln and Congress decided not to punish Confederates as harshly as they could have so that the nation could heal. Instead, places in the South venerated those leaders and made shrines to them. Naming a high school Washington-Lee suggests that Lee should be ranked with a founding father and signals to people of color that we're not really welcome. Times have changed.

3) At the county fair, there was a table for raising money to keep the name. The looks on the women working that table when I stopped to read their signs told me all I need to know about some of the people who support keeping the name.

4) I offer up the name of Washington-Lincoln Hayes (Mod Squad). Hopefully, that will at least make some people smile.

This was their big mistake. We're essentially still fighting the same war, just now it's a cultural war rather than an actual war. We should've brought them to their knees then, and maybe we wouldn't still be rehashing this same s*** over 150 years later. It's time. No more placating the Confederate sympathizers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here:
1) When I first moved to Arlington, I was surprised how many things were named after Confederates. As a person of color, I am not comfortable sending my kids to a school with Lee attached to the name. I welcome a name change.

2) I don't really see it as erasing history, as it's not a zero-sum game. Lincoln and Congress decided not to punish Confederates as harshly as they could have so that the nation could heal. Instead, places in the South venerated those leaders and made shrines to them. Naming a high school Washington-Lee suggests that Lee should be ranked with a founding father and signals to people of color that we're not really welcome. Times have changed.

3) At the county fair, there was a table for raising money to keep the name. The looks on the women working that table when I stopped to read their signs told me all I need to know about some of the people who support keeping the name.

4) I offer up the name of Washington-Lincoln Hayes (Mod Squad). Hopefully, that will at least make some people smile.

I think this is valid.
But I would love to see someone with a table petitioning the CB to pony up the money. More people would be onboard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here:
1) When I first moved to Arlington, I was surprised how many things were named after Confederates. As a person of color, I am not comfortable sending my kids to a school with Lee attached to the name. I welcome a name change.

2) I don't really see it as erasing history, as it's not a zero-sum game. Lincoln and Congress decided not to punish Confederates as harshly as they could have so that the nation could heal. Instead, places in the South venerated those leaders and made shrines to them. Naming a high school Washington-Lee suggests that Lee should be ranked with a founding father and signals to people of color that we're not really welcome. Times have changed.

3) At the county fair, there was a table for raising money to keep the name. The looks on the women working that table when I stopped to read their signs told me all I need to know about some of the people who support keeping the name.

4) I offer up the name of Washington-Lincoln Hayes (Mod Squad). Hopefully, that will at least make some people smile.

This was their big mistake. We're essentially still fighting the same war, just now it's a cultural war rather than an actual war. We should've brought them to their knees then, and maybe we wouldn't still be rehashing this same s*** over 150 years later. It's time. No more placating the Confederate sympathizers.

Ok- you sound crazy. Arlington va isn’t a hotbed of confederate sympathizers. That table was staffed by bitches who don’t want to see their beloved school change. They are offended at the idea that there is anything wrong with WL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here:
1) When I first moved to Arlington, I was surprised how many things were named after Confederates. As a person of color, I am not comfortable sending my kids to a school with Lee attached to the name. I welcome a name change.

2) I don't really see it as erasing history, as it's not a zero-sum game. Lincoln and Congress decided not to punish Confederates as harshly as they could have so that the nation could heal. Instead, places in the South venerated those leaders and made shrines to them. Naming a high school Washington-Lee suggests that Lee should be ranked with a founding father and signals to people of color that we're not really welcome. Times have changed.

3) At the county fair, there was a table for raising money to keep the name. The looks on the women working that table when I stopped to read their signs told me all I need to know about some of the people who support keeping the name.

4) I offer up the name of Washington-Lincoln Hayes (Mod Squad). Hopefully, that will at least make some people smile.

This was their big mistake. We're essentially still fighting the same war, just now it's a cultural war rather than an actual war. We should've brought them to their knees then, and maybe we wouldn't still be rehashing this same s*** over 150 years later. It's time. No more placating the Confederate sympathizers.

Ok- you sound crazy. Arlington va isn’t a hotbed of confederate sympathizers. That table was staffed by bitches who don’t want to see their beloved school change. They are offended at the idea that there is anything wrong with WL.

No, it's not. It's pretty strange how liberal Arlington is, given the echoes of the Old South everywhere. I'm glad that people want to change the names. I grew up in a place were racial tensions were much closer to the surface and we didn't have places with names like these. Every 5th boy had a Confederate general middle name instead.

[Anonymous]

What I really don't understand is why a name change has to be attached to one side of the civil war being the righteous side. It was a war from a long time ago and it was a war where many people killed each other. If we want to change the names of schools or whatever to a new name we can do so by just focusing on the name we don't want anymore and the new name we'd like. It really does not have to be about who was right and wrong over the course of an entire war.

The analogy that we were in WWII and somehow were righteous because we stopped the holocaust is simply not a factual statement. We went to war because we were attacked and because we didn't want the Germans to gain so much power. And we had our own internment camps, turned away jews, etc. The bottom line was that stopping the holocaust was a benefit of winning the war, but not its purpose. Similarly the north went to war to regain the south because it wanted the land security and money from the south. Plain and simple.

If we don't like a confederate general or don't want to honor him anymore, etc. than just stick to those facts about that person. Make the argument about one person over another. Stop trying to bring up an entire state or group of states as being morally inferior. It just simply isn't necessary and does not help the cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I really don't understand is why a name change has to be attached to one side of the civil war being the righteous side. It was a war from a long time ago and it was a war where many people killed each other. If we want to change the names of schools or whatever to a new name we can do so by just focusing on the name we don't want anymore and the new name we'd like. It really does not have to be about who was right and wrong over the course of an entire war.

The analogy that we were in WWII and somehow were righteous because we stopped the holocaust is simply not a factual statement. We went to war because we were attacked and because we didn't want the Germans to gain so much power. And we had our own internment camps, turned away jews, etc. The bottom line was that stopping the holocaust was a benefit of winning the war, but not its purpose. Similarly the north went to war to regain the south because it wanted the land security and money from the south. Plain and simple.

If we don't like a confederate general or don't want to honor him anymore, etc. than just stick to those facts about that person. Make the argument about one person over another. Stop trying to bring up an entire state or group of states as being morally inferior. It just simply isn't necessary and does not help the cause.

Except that by seceding to maintain legalized slavery, the Confederacy (as an institution) was moral inferior. Plenty of "good" people fought for the Confederacy (and in my view that did not in an of itself make them bad people). but the underlying issue for the Confederacy was undeniably wrong (or evil, if you like). Was it arguably somewhat less evil than Holocaust because it didn't involve deliberate mass murder of millions? Perhaps, but it was still horribly wrong.