What does it mean to “ban” abortion?

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of "vacation" trips to Canada.

Or Ireland

Or a state where abortion is still legal. Simple bus ride away.

Simple? really?

My bad - is Greyhound complicated?

It is if you can't pay for your ticket or the hotel bill where you're traveling too or the 2 days you have to take off of work.

So sorry you have a condition where you find it impossible to imagine scenarios of people being affected by things differently than you would be. Must be tough to be so limited.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine – people pay, government doesn’t provide them. But there is absolutely the outcry re – OMG if Roe is overturned and abortion goes state by state, it’ll be hard for the rural women in Mississippi and Indiana. To me that IS a convenience argument. If abortion is available in a handful of states, isn’t that enough and better than nothing – why MUST it be equally available in all 50 states so that it’s convenient for all?

Wow. I mean, I just can't even fathom someone not understanding that having huge swaths of the American public unable to get necessary health care is a problem. You yourself would be perfectly fine if your child had to get a basic procedure done like having a painful cyst removed from her ovary, but your state outlawed anyone being able to provide that procedure so you would have to spend time and money to take her halfway across the country to get it done? You really, truly would be fine with that? Even if you couldn't afford to do it?

How about if you moved somewhere with no dentists for 500 miles because dentists were outlawed? You'd be fine with that? Seriously? I mean, what's the problem with a little inconvenience of you taking off 2 days so you can drive 500 miles to get your teeth cleaned?

Are either of those problems caused by a romp in the sack? Bc for all the screaming about the necessity of abortions, there are stats out there that the vast majority of abortions are simply done bc women don't want to have the babies of whomever they slept with.

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals just need something to be upset about these days. We’re a million miles away from Roe being overturned. Even if it is, abortion will become state by state. Do you honestly believe places like NY or CA or NJ ever turn red enough that no abortions will be offered anywhere?

As for --- OMG poor people can’t afford that. Give me a break, I’m having a very hard time believing the Harvard educated, raised in Greenwich/Long Island biglaw women I work with are soooo personally concerned about ghetto black women or rural Indiana white women. And let’s be honest, how many abortions does the average women get in a lifetime? Across all women, I bet it’s 0. But even if I’m wrong and it’s 1 or 2. I’m sorry if you need to get rid of a kid, 2x in your life, you will borrow from your baby daddy or a get pay day loan, get yourself on a greyhound bus and a motel 6 room and get it done. This is America, not rural Africa or South America; even poor people have access to credit cards – charge it all and pay it back for years, you’ll still get what you need. And if you don’t have credit, see above re pay day loans. It’s not THAT big of a deal.

Just because your capacity for empathy is broken doesn’t mean everyone’s is. We are not all so hateful and ignorant as you.

Why is it ignorant and hateful? Aren't there financial solutions there to get an abortion if you need it? What the gov't has to provide the abortion AND make it as convenient as possible for you?

Wow, you really just doubled down on your ignorance there. Congratulations.

But answer the question -- if abortions are available somewhere, why is it also required that it must be as easy as possible for you to get one? Why is it tragic if you have to inconvenience yourself to get one?

You fundamentally misunderstand the legal, political, financial and medical landscape here. Go educate yourself and then come back to talk to the grown-ups, until then you’re not worth wasting time on.

The fact that not one of you can answer one simple question – why must abortion be made convenient – suggests to me there is no answer beyond the usual liberal – FAIRNESS garbage.

Are you going to say that when you need a root canal that is only available 3 states away? What's the big deal? Why does your health care have to be convenient?

Bc despite all the yelling about rape and medical needs (for which they can always carve out an exception w hospitals), the MAJORITY of abortions are provided to women who don't want to have the baby of whomever they willingly slept with. They could've prevented that problem -- contraception, not putting out, whatever. They didn't. Now if they're inconvenienced bc they undertook consensual, pleasurable activity -- eh.

Oh I see, it's about shame. Women need to be shamed. If you aren't virtuous you don't deserve health care, right?

The thing is, why would you want to force the unvirtuous women to have the babies? Scratching my head at that one.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine – people pay, government doesn’t provide them. But there is absolutely the outcry re – OMG if Roe is overturned and abortion goes state by state, it’ll be hard for the rural women in Mississippi and Indiana. To me that IS a convenience argument. If abortion is available in a handful of states, isn’t that enough and better than nothing – why MUST it be equally available in all 50 states so that it’s convenient for all?

Wow. I mean, I just can't even fathom someone not understanding that having huge swaths of the American public unable to get necessary health care is a problem. You yourself would be perfectly fine if your child had to get a basic procedure done like having a painful cyst removed from her ovary, but your state outlawed anyone being able to provide that procedure so you would have to spend time and money to take her halfway across the country to get it done? You really, truly would be fine with that? Even if you couldn't afford to do it?

How about if you moved somewhere with no dentists for 500 miles because dentists were outlawed? You'd be fine with that? Seriously? I mean, what's the problem with a little inconvenience of you taking off 2 days so you can drive 500 miles to get your teeth cleaned?

Are either of those problems caused by a romp in the sack? Bc for all the screaming about the necessity of abortions, there are stats out there that the vast majority of abortions are simply done bc women don't want to have the babies of whomever they slept with.

Maybe we should make them wear scarlett As on their tops. That would show 'em. Are you with me?

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of "vacation" trips to Canada.

Or Ireland

Or a state where abortion is still legal. Simple bus ride away.

Simple? really?

My bad - is Greyhound complicated?

It is if you can't pay for your ticket or the hotel bill where you're traveling too or the 2 days you have to take off of work.

So sorry you have a condition where you find it impossible to imagine scenarios of people being affected by things differently than you would be. Must be tough to be so limited.

And tell me DCUM reader -- Ms. Middle Class at 300k -- how many people do you personally hang out with who are at all affected by any of these problems? That they couldn't afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at Motel 6? I'm sure you have hordes of such friends, right? Or you're just soooo empathetic that you're not worried about your friends and family but the plight of the rural poor in Mississippi who will be so affected by this?

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of "vacation" trips to Canada.

Or Ireland

Or a state where abortion is still legal. Simple bus ride away.

Simple? really?

My bad - is Greyhound complicated?

It is if you can't pay for your ticket or the hotel bill where you're traveling too or the 2 days you have to take off of work.

So sorry you have a condition where you find it impossible to imagine scenarios of people being affected by things differently than you would be. Must be tough to be so limited.

And tell me DCUM reader -- Ms. Middle Class at 300k -- how many people do you personally hang out with who are at all affected by any of these problems? That they couldn't afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at Motel 6? I'm sure you have hordes of such friends, right? Or you're just soooo empathetic that you're not worried about your friends and family but the plight of the rural poor in Mississippi who will be so affected by this?

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Are either of those problems caused by a romp in the sack? Bc for all the screaming about the necessity of abortions, there are stats out there that the vast majority of abortions are simply done bc women don't want to have the babies of whomever they slept with.

Perhaps find a source other than Misogyny Unlimited next time, hmm?
“The reasons patients gave for having an abortion underscored their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. The three most common reasons—each cited by three-fourths of patients—were concern for or responsibility to other individuals; the inability to afford raising a child; and the belief that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents. Half said they did not want to be a single parent or were having problems with their husband or partner.” https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states

Yeah, listen to them sloots! Just spraying sex and abortions everywhere! Most women who have abortions - wait for it - have children already. They know what the deal is. They know how much work and energy and money it takes.

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals just need something to be upset about these days. We’re a million miles away from Roe being overturned. Even if it is, abortion will become state by state. Do you honestly believe places like NY or CA or NJ ever turn red enough that no abortions will be offered anywhere?

As for --- OMG poor people can’t afford that. Give me a break, I’m having a very hard time believing the Harvard educated, raised in Greenwich/Long Island biglaw women I work with are soooo personally concerned about ghetto black women or rural Indiana white women. And let’s be honest, how many abortions does the average women get in a lifetime? Across all women, I bet it’s 0. But even if I’m wrong and it’s 1 or 2. I’m sorry if you need to get rid of a kid, 2x in your life, you will borrow from your baby daddy or a get pay day loan, get yourself on a greyhound bus and a motel 6 room and get it done. This is America, not rural Africa or South America; even poor people have access to credit cards – charge it all and pay it back for years, you’ll still get what you need. And if you don’t have credit, see above re pay day loans. It’s not THAT big of a deal.

Just because your capacity for empathy is broken doesn’t mean everyone’s is. We are not all so hateful and ignorant as you.

Why is it ignorant and hateful? Aren't there financial solutions there to get an abortion if you need it? What the gov't has to provide the abortion AND make it as convenient as possible for you?

Wow, you really just doubled down on your ignorance there. Congratulations.

But answer the question -- if abortions are available somewhere, why is it also required that it must be as easy as possible for you to get one? Why is it tragic if you have to inconvenience yourself to get one?

You fundamentally misunderstand the legal, political, financial and medical landscape here. Go educate yourself and then come back to talk to the grown-ups, until then you’re not worth wasting time on.

The fact that not one of you can answer one simple question – why must abortion be made convenient – suggests to me there is no answer beyond the usual liberal – FAIRNESS garbage.

Are you going to say that when you need a root canal that is only available 3 states away? What's the big deal? Why does your health care have to be convenient?

Bc despite all the yelling about rape and medical needs (for which they can always carve out an exception w hospitals), the MAJORITY of abortions are provided to women who don't want to have the baby of whomever they willingly slept with. They could've prevented that problem -- contraception, not putting out, whatever. They didn't. Now if they're inconvenienced bc they undertook consensual, pleasurable activity -- eh.

Oh I see, it's about shame. Women need to be shamed. If you aren't virtuous you don't deserve health care, right?

The thing is, why would you want to force the unvirtuous women to have the babies? Scratching my head at that one.

Wear them or not, but we all know this is SUCH a big issue not bc of criminal or medical reasons for abortions but because people can't stop sleeping with others when they have no desire/ability to have kids, financially provide etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine – people pay, government doesn’t provide them. But there is absolutely the outcry re – OMG if Roe is overturned and abortion goes state by state, it’ll be hard for the rural women in Mississippi and Indiana. To me that IS a convenience argument. If abortion is available in a handful of states, isn’t that enough and better than nothing – why MUST it be equally available in all 50 states so that it’s convenient for all?

Wow. I mean, I just can't even fathom someone not understanding that having huge swaths of the American public unable to get necessary health care is a problem. You yourself would be perfectly fine if your child had to get a basic procedure done like having a painful cyst removed from her ovary, but your state outlawed anyone being able to provide that procedure so you would have to spend time and money to take her halfway across the country to get it done? You really, truly would be fine with that? Even if you couldn't afford to do it?

How about if you moved somewhere with no dentists for 500 miles because dentists were outlawed? You'd be fine with that? Seriously? I mean, what's the problem with a little inconvenience of you taking off 2 days so you can drive 500 miles to get your teeth cleaned?

Are either of those problems caused by a romp in the sack? Bc for all the screaming about the necessity of abortions, there are stats out there that the vast majority of abortions are simply done bc women don't want to have the babies of whomever they slept with.

Yep and people who have diabetes don't deserve health care either because for all the screaming about the necessity of insulin and diabetes medications, there are stats out there that the vast majority of diabetes II cases are simply bc people are too fat and don't excercise. Serves them right. Shut down the endocrinologists and make people take a Greyhound bus for hours to see their doctor for diabetes. That will definitely teach them a lesson.

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Anonymous wrote:And tell me DCUM reader -- Ms. Middle Class at 300k -- how many people do you personally hang out with who are at all affected by any of these problems? That they couldn't afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at Motel 6? I'm sure you have hordes of such friends, right? Or you're just soooo empathetic that you're not worried about your friends and family but the plight of the rural poor in Mississippi who will be so affected by this?

Really, why do you hate women? I mean, you write like a woman, so I suspect you are one, but why are you so full of rage? I’m an upper middle class woman in the blue Midwest whose husband - and only sex partner - has a vasectomy (after four boys, we’re done!). We have okay insurance and the money to bridge the gap to the deductible. But I’m aware that not all women have that. So yes I feel empathy for the women who have to find child care, take off multiple days at a crap job where they fit really get the days off, have to travel across the state and spend a night or three a hotel for the idiotic “waiting period.” Why are you so busted that you have no empathy?

Did a boyfriend force you to abort? Did your parents force you to give up your baby for adoption? Because you are really angry and taking it out on people who are just having empathy for those with a tougher go. There must be a reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine – people pay, government doesn’t provide them. But there is absolutely the outcry re – OMG if Roe is overturned and abortion goes state by state, it’ll be hard for the rural women in Mississippi and Indiana. To me that IS a convenience argument. If abortion is available in a handful of states, isn’t that enough and better than nothing – why MUST it be equally available in all 50 states so that it’s convenient for all?

Wow. I mean, I just can't even fathom someone not understanding that having huge swaths of the American public unable to get necessary health care is a problem. You yourself would be perfectly fine if your child had to get a basic procedure done like having a painful cyst removed from her ovary, but your state outlawed anyone being able to provide that procedure so you would have to spend time and money to take her halfway across the country to get it done? You really, truly would be fine with that? Even if you couldn't afford to do it?

How about if you moved somewhere with no dentists for 500 miles because dentists were outlawed? You'd be fine with that? Seriously? I mean, what's the problem with a little inconvenience of you taking off 2 days so you can drive 500 miles to get your teeth cleaned?

Are either of those problems caused by a romp in the sack? Bc for all the screaming about the necessity of abortions, there are stats out there that the vast majority of abortions are simply done bc women don't want to have the babies of whomever they slept with.

Yep and people who have diabetes don't deserve health care either because for all the screaming about the necessity of insulin and diabetes medications, there are stats out there that the vast majority of diabetes II cases are simply bc people are too fat and don't excercise. Serves them right. Shut down the endocrinologists and make people take a Greyhound bus for hours to see their doctor for diabetes. That will definitely teach them a lesson.

Right a medical issue is really equal to a fun afternoon in bed with a guy you hardly know. Exactly the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of "vacation" trips to Canada.

Or Ireland

Or a state where abortion is still legal. Simple bus ride away.

Simple? really?

My bad - is Greyhound complicated?

It is if you can't pay for your ticket or the hotel bill where you're traveling too or the 2 days you have to take off of work.

So sorry you have a condition where you find it impossible to imagine scenarios of people being affected by things differently than you would be. Must be tough to be so limited.

And tell me DCUM reader -- Ms. Middle Class at 300k -- how many people do you personally hang out with who are at all affected by any of these problems? That they couldn't afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at Motel 6? I'm sure you have hordes of such friends, right? Or you're just soooo empathetic that you're not worried about your friends and family but the plight of the rural poor in Mississippi who will be so affected by this?

Would love to have that salary but not in that range-I'm a civil servant! And as a matter of fact I'm from a down-and-out town in the middle of the country and have quite a few family members who would not be able to afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at a motel 6, including a couple of siblings. We come from blue collar stock, lots of cousins who don't have a college degree. And I live in an area most of DCUM turns their noses at so I am positive there are neighbors of mine in the same condition. Plus my church is very diverse. Plenty of congregants who couldn't afford such things. I know it for certain.

It's remarkable that you find it impossible to imagine someone being truly concerned about the plight of others. Wow. That limited mind again. So very sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:And tell me DCUM reader -- Ms. Middle Class at 300k -- how many people do you personally hang out with who are at all affected by any of these problems? That they couldn't afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at Motel 6? I'm sure you have hordes of such friends, right? Or you're just soooo empathetic that you're not worried about your friends and family but the plight of the rural poor in Mississippi who will be so affected by this?

Really, why do you hate women? I mean, you write like a woman, so I suspect you are one, but why are you so full of rage? I’m an upper middle class woman in the blue Midwest whose husband - and only sex partner - has a vasectomy (after four boys, we’re done!). We have okay insurance and the money to bridge the gap to the deductible. But I’m aware that not all women have that. So yes I feel empathy for the women who have to find child care, take off multiple days at a crap job where they fit really get the days off, have to travel across the state and spend a night or three a hotel for the idiotic “waiting period.” Why are you so busted that you have no empathy?

Did a boyfriend force you to abort? Did your parents force you to give up your baby for adoption? Because you are really angry and taking it out on people who are just having empathy for those with a tougher go. There must be a reason.

Nope. But I knew not to open my legs until I could 100% take care of a baby if a boyfriend walked away the next day. If people don't have any sense of responsibility, I can only feel so bad for their situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of "vacation" trips to Canada.

Or Ireland

Or a state where abortion is still legal. Simple bus ride away.

Simple? really?

My bad - is Greyhound complicated?

It is if you can't pay for your ticket or the hotel bill where you're traveling too or the 2 days you have to take off of work.

So sorry you have a condition where you find it impossible to imagine scenarios of people being affected by things differently than you would be. Must be tough to be so limited.

And tell me DCUM reader -- Ms. Middle Class at 300k -- how many people do you personally hang out with who are at all affected by any of these problems? That they couldn't afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at Motel 6? I'm sure you have hordes of such friends, right? Or you're just soooo empathetic that you're not worried about your friends and family but the plight of the rural poor in Mississippi who will be so affected by this?

Would love to have that salary but not in that range-I'm a civil servant! And as a matter of fact I'm from a down-and-out town in the middle of the country and have quite a few family members who would not be able to afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at a motel 6, including a couple of siblings. We come from blue collar stock, lots of cousins who don't have a college degree. And I live in an area most of DCUM turns their noses at so I am positive there are neighbors of mine in the same condition. Plus my church is very diverse. Plenty of congregants who couldn't afford such things. I know it for certain.

It's remarkable that you find it impossible to imagine someone being truly concerned about the plight of others. Wow. That limited mind again. So very sorry.

Sociopaths do tend to struggle with such things.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine – people pay, government doesn’t provide them. But there is absolutely the outcry re – OMG if Roe is overturned and abortion goes state by state, it’ll be hard for the rural women in Mississippi and Indiana. To me that IS a convenience argument. If abortion is available in a handful of states, isn’t that enough and better than nothing – why MUST it be equally available in all 50 states so that it’s convenient for all?

Wow. I mean, I just can't even fathom someone not understanding that having huge swaths of the American public unable to get necessary health care is a problem. You yourself would be perfectly fine if your child had to get a basic procedure done like having a painful cyst removed from her ovary, but your state outlawed anyone being able to provide that procedure so you would have to spend time and money to take her halfway across the country to get it done? You really, truly would be fine with that? Even if you couldn't afford to do it?

How about if you moved somewhere with no dentists for 500 miles because dentists were outlawed? You'd be fine with that? Seriously? I mean, what's the problem with a little inconvenience of you taking off 2 days so you can drive 500 miles to get your teeth cleaned?

Are either of those problems caused by a romp in the sack? Bc for all the screaming about the necessity of abortions, there are stats out there that the vast majority of abortions are simply done bc women don't want to have the babies of whomever they slept with.

Yep and people who have diabetes don't deserve health care either because for all the screaming about the necessity of insulin and diabetes medications, there are stats out there that the vast majority of diabetes II cases are simply bc people are too fat and don't excercise. Serves them right. Shut down the endocrinologists and make people take a Greyhound bus for hours to see their doctor for diabetes. That will definitely teach them a lesson.

Right a medical issue is really equal to a fun afternoon in bed with a guy you hardly know. Exactly the same.

What other conditions should people not receive medical treatment for because they are unchaste or wanton? Maybe all the drug addicts in rural America?