What does it mean to “ban” abortion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Roe isn't going anywhere. The sky is not falling.

Conservatives are pragmatists. They don't like abortion, so they tend not to have them. They also recognize the tremendous value in keeping the numbers of liberals in check that abortion provides. Margaret Sanger knew what she was doing when she founded PP.

True, they just pay off their mistresses and girlfriends to have them.

Exactly. The control of abortion is a conservative man’s need to have sex any way and with anyone he wants, while ensuring he doesn’t procreate unless “he” wants to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Roe isn't going anywhere. The sky is not falling.

Conservatives are pragmatists. They don't like abortion, so they tend not to have them. They also recognize the tremendous value in keeping the numbers of liberals in check that abortion provides. Margaret Sanger knew what she was doing when she founded PP.

True, they just pay off their mistresses and girlfriends to have them.

Most of my conservative friends top desire is to make abortion illegal. What they do t realize it is the law will eventually affect their daughters who are dealing with difficult pregnancies or miscarriages, but won't affect rich Republicans who will fly their mistresses and daughters to places with abortion.

They also live in areas with lots of poor people who will no longer be able to have abortions if their state goes in that direction. Resulting in lots more welfare it lots more crime. Guess they will get their wish!

I am sure your friends motives have nothing to do with not wanting a baby ripped apart and pulled out of the womb. Glad you laid out the reality driving their position.

Yeah, but then you and your kind can't give a damn when kids outside of the womb get ripped out of the mother's arm and held in captivity. Abortion opponents are the ultimate hypocrites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Roe isn't going anywhere. The sky is not falling.

Conservatives are pragmatists. They don't like abortion, so they tend not to have them. They also recognize the tremendous value in keeping the numbers of liberals in check that abortion provides. Margaret Sanger knew what she was doing when she founded PP.

<I put an insult here>
Say it once more for those who refuse to believe: CONSERVATIVES HAVE AS MANY ABORTIONS AS LIBERALS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Roe gets overturned, it goes back to the states. So, we will have the elites able to get abortions and those living in bad states not able to do so.

So further brain drain and more haves v have nots.

Yes, it's inevitable.

PS I don't believe Roe vs Wade would be overturned.

Why would it not? No shortage of people want it gone. It’s a good bet that 4 on the court right now want it gone. I read once that the decision is taught in law school as bad law; there is no such constitutional right.

Agreed. You would not know it from this leftist board, but the majority of American's are pro life. Highly likely it will gain momentum after the far right appointment that is soon to be.

https://www.liveaction.org/news/gallups-newest-poll-shows-americans-consider-pro-life/

May

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Roe isn't going anywhere. The sky is not falling.

Conservatives are pragmatists. They don't like abortion, so they tend not to have them. They also recognize the tremendous value in keeping the numbers of liberals in check that abortion provides. Margaret Sanger knew what she was doing when she founded PP.

True, they just pay off their mistresses and girlfriends to have them.

Most of my conservative friends top desire is to make abortion illegal. What they do t realize it is the law will eventually affect their daughters who are dealing with difficult pregnancies or miscarriages, but won't affect rich Republicans who will fly their mistresses and daughters to places with abortion.

They also live in areas with lots of poor people who will no longer be able to have abortions if their state goes in that direction. Resulting in lots more welfare it lots more crime. Guess they will get their wish!

I am sure your friends motives have nothing to do with not wanting a baby ripped apart and pulled out of the womb. Glad you laid out the reality driving their position.

Yeah, but then you and your kind can't give a damn when kids outside of the womb get ripped out of the mother's arm and held in captivity. Abortion opponents are the ultimate hypocrites.

And your kind is fine with the baby being ripped to shreds and sucked out of the womb, but outraged when an alien criminal's kid is not housed in jail next to them. Goes both ways, huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anti-abortion laws typically focus on the abortion providers rather than the women obtaining them, so most likely the laws would criminalize providing abortions. Any such laws would probably at least initially provide an exception for rape/incest because that is still politically favored, but would require women seeking an abortion for such reasons to report the assault to police and go through an adjudication of whether a rape actually occurred before being authorized to obtain an abortion. But the practical effect would be that such adjudication would end up taking so long to obtain that most, if not all, women seeking them wouldn’t be able to get them until they passed a time threshold (probably moved up to end of first trimester) where all abortions are banned, so they still wouldn’t be able to get them.

This. Legislation would make it a crime to perform abortions so there won't be anyone performing them. This is how you ban abortion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Roe isn't going anywhere. The sky is not falling.

Conservatives are pragmatists. They don't like abortion, so they tend not to have them. They also recognize the tremendous value in keeping the numbers of liberals in check that abortion provides. Margaret Sanger knew what she was doing when she founded PP.

<I put an insult here>
Say it once more for those who refuse to believe: CONSERVATIVES HAVE AS MANY ABORTIONS AS LIBERALS.

link?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Roe isn't going anywhere. The sky is not falling.

Conservatives are pragmatists. They don't like abortion, so they tend not to have them. They also recognize the tremendous value in keeping the numbers of liberals in check that abortion provides. Margaret Sanger knew what she was doing when she founded PP.

True, they just pay off their mistresses and girlfriends to have them.

Most of my conservative friends top desire is to make abortion illegal. What they do t realize it is the law will eventually affect their daughters who are dealing with difficult pregnancies or miscarriages, but won't affect rich Republicans who will fly their mistresses and daughters to places with abortion.

They also live in areas with lots of poor people who will no longer be able to have abortions if their state goes in that direction. Resulting in lots more welfare it lots more crime. Guess they will get their wish!

I am sure your friends motives have nothing to do with not wanting a baby ripped apart and pulled out of the womb. Glad you laid out the reality driving their position.

That is their reality and it is very simplistic.
It would be better to give women and children better health care and pay so women would be able to keep their children instead of feeling like they have to abort them.

The rich will keep on having safe, legal abortions. The poor will have the children and abadon them, if the children are lucky. Or turn to illegal abortion or abuse or kill the children outright, if they are unlucky.

So many mothers and their unborn children are killed each year by the babies father's, because they don't want to support their kids. Outlawing abortion isn't going to stop that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Roe gets overturned, it goes back to the states. So, we will have the elites able to get abortions and those living in bad states not able to do so.

So further brain drain and more haves v have nots.

Yes, it's inevitable.

PS I don't believe Roe vs Wade would be overturned.

Why would it not? No shortage of people want it gone. It’s a good bet that 4 on the court right now want it gone. I read once that the decision is taught in law school as bad law; there is no such constitutional right.

Agreed. You would not know it from this leftist board, but the majority of American's are pro life. Highly likely it will gain momentum after the far right appointment that is soon to be.

https://www.liveaction.org/news/gallups-newest-poll-shows-americans-consider-pro-life/

May

That was from two years ago. A Pew study said 57% believe abortion should remain legal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Roe gets overturned, it goes back to the states. So, we will have the elites able to get abortions and those living in bad states not able to do so.

So further brain drain and more haves v have nots.

Yes, it's inevitable.

PS I don't believe Roe vs Wade would be overturned.

Why would it not? No shortage of people want it gone. It’s a good bet that 4 on the court right now want it gone. I read once that the decision is taught in law school as bad law; there is no such constitutional right.

Agreed. You would not know it from this leftist board, but the majority of American's are pro life. Highly likely it will gain momentum after the far right appointment that is soon to be.

https://www.liveaction.org/news/gallups-newest-poll-shows-americans-consider-pro-life/

May

That was from two years ago. A Pew study said 57% believe abortion should remain legal.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/07/07/on-abortion-persistent-divides-between-and-within-the-two-parties-2/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Roe isn't going anywhere. The sky is not falling.

Conservatives are pragmatists. They don't like abortion, so they tend not to have them. They also recognize the tremendous value in keeping the numbers of liberals in check that abortion provides. Margaret Sanger knew what she was doing when she founded PP.

True, they just pay off their mistresses and girlfriends to have them.

Most of my conservative friends top desire is to make abortion illegal. What they do t realize it is the law will eventually affect their daughters who are dealing with difficult pregnancies or miscarriages, but won't affect rich Republicans who will fly their mistresses and daughters to places with abortion.

They also live in areas with lots of poor people who will no longer be able to have abortions if their state goes in that direction. Resulting in lots more welfare it lots more crime. Guess they will get their wish!

I am sure your friends motives have nothing to do with not wanting a baby ripped apart and pulled out of the womb. Glad you laid out the reality driving their position.

Yeah, but then you and your kind can't give a damn when kids outside of the womb get ripped out of the mother's arm and held in captivity. Abortion opponents are the ultimate hypocrites.

And your kind is fine with the baby being ripped to shreds and sucked out of the womb, but outraged when an alien criminal's kid is not housed in jail next to them. Goes both ways, huh?

Go look at an eight week fetus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Roe isn't going anywhere. The sky is not falling.

Conservatives are pragmatists. They don't like abortion, so they tend not to have them. They also recognize the tremendous value in keeping the numbers of liberals in check that abortion provides. Margaret Sanger knew what she was doing when she founded PP.

<I put an insult here>
Say it once more for those who refuse to believe: CONSERVATIVES HAVE AS MANY ABORTIONS AS LIBERALS.

link?

No thanks. I have provided links to you anti choicers over and over and over.

And you never respond because the facts disagree with your worldview and you don’t like it. So go look for yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Roe gets overturned, it goes back to the states. So, we will have the elites able to get abortions and those living in bad states not able to do so.

So further brain drain and more haves v have nots.

Yes, it's inevitable.

PS I don't believe Roe vs Wade would be overturned.

Why would it not? No shortage of people want it gone. It’s a good bet that 4 on the court right now want it gone. I read once that the decision is taught in law school as bad law; there is no such constitutional right.

You read that? LOL. What a constitutional scholar!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of "vacation" trips to Canada.

Or Ireland

Or a state where abortion is still legal. Simple bus ride away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anti-abortion laws typically focus on the abortion providers rather than the women obtaining them, so most likely the laws would criminalize providing abortions. Any such laws would probably at least initially provide an exception for rape/incest because that is still politically favored, but would require women seeking an abortion for such reasons to report the assault to police and go through an adjudication of whether a rape actually occurred before being authorized to obtain an abortion. But the practical effect would be that such adjudication would end up taking so long to obtain that most, if not all, women seeking them wouldn’t be able to get them until they passed a time threshold (probably moved up to end of first trimester) where all abortions are banned, so they still wouldn’t be able to get them.

This. Legislation would make it a crime to perform abortions so there won't be anyone performing them. This is how you ban abortion.

You can look to Latin America to see what happens when abortion is banned. Middle class people can always have abortions. They just pay to travel to where it is legal. These laws only really affect the poor.

In many Latin American countries, it is a crime for doctors to provide abortions, so they don't in general. Some private clinics will provide abortions to rich people who can pay.

Poor people buy misoprostol illegally from a pharmacist or online. Most of the time, the pregnant woman can successfully abort the fetus at home. If there is a complication and she shows up at an emergency room, she risks prosecution. The real issue is when the medical professionals suspect an abortion when it was really a miscarriage. It is often not easy to tell the difference. There are several Central American cases where a women was accused of causing an abortion and she argued it was a miscarriage. Poor people often can't get adequate counsel to defend themselves, so there is a risk of an innocent person being convicted for having a miscarriage.

You also end up with the situation where a doctor, who is meant to help the patient, must turn her in to the authorities for a suspected abortion.