What does it mean to “ban” abortion?

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals just need something to be upset about these days. We’re a million miles away from Roe being overturned. Even if it is, abortion will become state by state. Do you honestly believe places like NY or CA or NJ ever turn red enough that no abortions will be offered anywhere?

As for --- OMG poor people can’t afford that. Give me a break, I’m having a very hard time believing the Harvard educated, raised in Greenwich/Long Island biglaw women I work with are soooo personally concerned about ghetto black women or rural Indiana white women. And let’s be honest, how many abortions does the average women get in a lifetime? Across all women, I bet it’s 0. But even if I’m wrong and it’s 1 or 2. I’m sorry if you need to get rid of a kid, 2x in your life, you will borrow from your baby daddy or a get pay day loan, get yourself on a greyhound bus and a motel 6 room and get it done. This is America, not rural Africa or South America; even poor people have access to credit cards – charge it all and pay it back for years, you’ll still get what you need. And if you don’t have credit, see above re pay day loans. It’s not THAT big of a deal.

Just because your capacity for empathy is broken doesn’t mean everyone’s is. We are not all so hateful and ignorant as you.

Why is it ignorant and hateful? Aren't there financial solutions there to get an abortion if you need it? What the gov't has to provide the abortion AND make it as convenient as possible for you?

Wow, you really just doubled down on your ignorance there. Congratulations.

But answer the question -- if abortions are available somewhere, why is it also required that it must be as easy as possible for you to get one? Why is it tragic if you have to inconvenience yourself to get one?

You fundamentally misunderstand the legal, political, financial and medical landscape here. Go educate yourself and then come back to talk to the grown-ups, until then you’re not worth wasting time on.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a war on women! Women should have the right to decide their own lives and what goes on with their own bodies. When women have control of reproduction, they are better educated and have better financial freedom. Having a baby in high school is a bullet train to poverty.

You know how one can prevent that? Not letting a guy put it in when you're in high school. I'm not for abstinence only and I do think there are medical/criminal reasons for abortion, but let's be honest if any particular high school girl is soooo worried for her future bc she fears a condom will break and she wouldn't be able to get an abortion -- would it be the end of the world to not start sleeping with people until after high school??

It’s been a while but I seem to remember that high school boys might play a role here too...

Really? If they're putting it in without consent -- as I say above there's criminal reasons for an abortion then. But if a girl is letting them put it in knowing a pregnancy could result if no protection is used and/or if protection fails, the boy is burdened how exactly? Is he carrying the pregnancy and breastfeeding the kid? And I say this as a parent of daughters -- we all know girls carry the burden here, no matter how charming/convincing a boy may be.

Yes, let’s continue to absolve them of any responsibility. Good idea.

It's not about absolving them, it's biology. If there was some way a boy could get pregnant and suffer -- great. Yet there isn't. So I think all girls need to know that if you get pregnant, it is 100% going to be your problem. Sure the law may mandate child support or whatever but don't be so sure you'll actually get anything out of the guy - so make sure the sex is worth it. If abortion goes away/gets harder to find -- then girls need to maybe think twice of having any sex until they absolutely could financially provide for a kid; for most people that isn't high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals just need something to be upset about these days. We’re a million miles away from Roe being overturned. Even if it is, abortion will become state by state. Do you honestly believe places like NY or CA or NJ ever turn red enough that no abortions will be offered anywhere?

As for --- OMG poor people can’t afford that. Give me a break, I’m having a very hard time believing the Harvard educated, raised in Greenwich/Long Island biglaw women I work with are soooo personally concerned about ghetto black women or rural Indiana white women. And let’s be honest, how many abortions does the average women get in a lifetime? Across all women, I bet it’s 0. But even if I’m wrong and it’s 1 or 2. I’m sorry if you need to get rid of a kid, 2x in your life, you will borrow from your baby daddy or a get pay day loan, get yourself on a greyhound bus and a motel 6 room and get it done. This is America, not rural Africa or South America; even poor people have access to credit cards – charge it all and pay it back for years, you’ll still get what you need. And if you don’t have credit, see above re pay day loans. It’s not THAT big of a deal.

Just because your capacity for empathy is broken doesn’t mean everyone’s is. We are not all so hateful and ignorant as you.

Why is it ignorant and hateful? Aren't there financial solutions there to get an abortion if you need it? What the gov't has to provide the abortion AND make it as convenient as possible for you?

Wow, you really just doubled down on your ignorance there. Congratulations.

But answer the question -- if abortions are available somewhere, why is it also required that it must be as easy as possible for you to get one? Why is it tragic if you have to inconvenience yourself to get one?

You fundamentally misunderstand the legal, political, financial and medical landscape here. Go educate yourself and then come back to talk to the grown-ups, until then you’re not worth wasting time on.

The fact that not one of you can answer one simple question – why must abortion be made convenient – suggests to me there is no answer beyond the usual liberal – FAIRNESS garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals just need something to be upset about these days. We’re a million miles away from Roe being overturned. Even if it is, abortion will become state by state. Do you honestly believe places like NY or CA or NJ ever turn red enough that no abortions will be offered anywhere?

As for --- OMG poor people can’t afford that. Give me a break, I’m having a very hard time believing the Harvard educated, raised in Greenwich/Long Island biglaw women I work with are soooo personally concerned about ghetto black women or rural Indiana white women. And let’s be honest, how many abortions does the average women get in a lifetime? Across all women, I bet it’s 0. But even if I’m wrong and it’s 1 or 2. I’m sorry if you need to get rid of a kid, 2x in your life, you will borrow from your baby daddy or a get pay day loan, get yourself on a greyhound bus and a motel 6 room and get it done. This is America, not rural Africa or South America; even poor people have access to credit cards – charge it all and pay it back for years, you’ll still get what you need. And if you don’t have credit, see above re pay day loans. It’s not THAT big of a deal.

Just because your capacity for empathy is broken doesn’t mean everyone’s is. We are not all so hateful and ignorant as you.

Why is it ignorant and hateful? Aren't there financial solutions there to get an abortion if you need it? What the gov't has to provide the abortion AND make it as convenient as possible for you?

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Yeah, you’re broken. Abortion is part of women’s healthcare, like it or not. It’s not reasonable to expect women to have to travel across the country, after arranging childcare, for healthcare. Women who need abortions in certain parts of the country already have to do this, and it is absurd and un-American. It is inherently misogynistic.

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Why must everything be provided to you AND be convenient? How about it (in this case abortion) is provided BUT you inconvenience yourself to avail yourself of one? What exactly is so absurd there?

Distance creates barriers. The greater the distance the more likely that it isn’t going to happen:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2598282
https://www-m.cnn.com/2017/10/03/health/abortion-access-disparities-study/index.html?rm=1

“"The other thing we found in our research in Texas was that these geographic barriers could also create delays for patients before they could access abortion care," Grossman said.

"It takes time for women to arrange transportation, to gather the money together to pay for transportation. Sometimes, a woman has to decide to tell someone she wouldn't normally tell about the procedure in order to get that person to drive her to the clinic," he explained. "All these things take time, and this is obviously a time-sensitive procedure."

Greater distance to travel, then, meant some women had abortions in the second trimester.

"And a few women were unable to get the abortions they wanted," Grossman said.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals just need something to be upset about these days. We’re a million miles away from Roe being overturned. Even if it is, abortion will become state by state. Do you honestly believe places like NY or CA or NJ ever turn red enough that no abortions will be offered anywhere?

As for --- OMG poor people can’t afford that. Give me a break, I’m having a very hard time believing the Harvard educated, raised in Greenwich/Long Island biglaw women I work with are soooo personally concerned about ghetto black women or rural Indiana white women. And let’s be honest, how many abortions does the average women get in a lifetime? Across all women, I bet it’s 0. But even if I’m wrong and it’s 1 or 2. I’m sorry if you need to get rid of a kid, 2x in your life, you will borrow from your baby daddy or a get pay day loan, get yourself on a greyhound bus and a motel 6 room and get it done. This is America, not rural Africa or South America; even poor people have access to credit cards – charge it all and pay it back for years, you’ll still get what you need. And if you don’t have credit, see above re pay day loans. It’s not THAT big of a deal.

Just because your capacity for empathy is broken doesn’t mean everyone’s is. We are not all so hateful and ignorant as you.

Why is it ignorant and hateful? Aren't there financial solutions there to get an abortion if you need it? What the gov't has to provide the abortion AND make it as convenient as possible for you?

Wow, you really just doubled down on your ignorance there. Congratulations.

But answer the question -- if abortions are available somewhere, why is it also required that it must be as easy as possible for you to get one? Why is it tragic if you have to inconvenience yourself to get one?

You fundamentally misunderstand the legal, political, financial and medical landscape here. Go educate yourself and then come back to talk to the grown-ups, until then you’re not worth wasting time on.

The fact that not one of you can answer one simple question – why must abortion be made convenient – suggests to me there is no answer beyond the usual liberal – FAIRNESS garbage.

Because no one is talking here about the government providing the abortion or about it being “convenient.” If you took the ring out of your nose for a while you might be able to understand that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Liberals just need something to be upset about these days. We’re a million miles away from Roe being overturned. Even if it is, abortion will become state by state. Do you honestly believe places like NY or CA or NJ ever turn red enough that no abortions will be offered anywhere?

As for --- OMG poor people can’t afford that. Give me a break, I’m having a very hard time believing the Harvard educated, raised in Greenwich/Long Island biglaw women I work with are soooo personally concerned about ghetto black women or rural Indiana white women. And let’s be honest, how many abortions does the average women get in a lifetime? Across all women, I bet it’s 0. But even if I’m wrong and it’s 1 or 2. I’m sorry if you need to get rid of a kid, 2x in your life, you will borrow from your baby daddy or a get pay day loan, get yourself on a greyhound bus and a motel 6 room and get it done. This is America, not rural Africa or South America; even poor people have access to credit cards – charge it all and pay it back for years, you’ll still get what you need. And if you don’t have credit, see above re pay day loans. It’s not THAT big of a deal.

Just because your capacity for empathy is broken doesn’t mean everyone’s is. We are not all so hateful and ignorant as you.

Why is it ignorant and hateful? Aren't there financial solutions there to get an abortion if you need it? What the gov't has to provide the abortion AND make it as convenient as possible for you?

Wow, you really just doubled down on your ignorance there. Congratulations.

But answer the question -- if abortions are available somewhere, why is it also required that it must be as easy as possible for you to get one? Why is it tragic if you have to inconvenience yourself to get one?

You fundamentally misunderstand the legal, political, financial and medical landscape here. Go educate yourself and then come back to talk to the grown-ups, until then you’re not worth wasting time on.

The fact that not one of you can answer one simple question – why must abortion be made convenient – suggests to me there is no answer beyond the usual liberal – FAIRNESS garbage.

Are you going to say that when you need a root canal that is only available 3 states away? What's the big deal? Why does your health care have to be convenient?

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Fine – people pay, government doesn’t provide them. But there is absolutely the outcry re – OMG if Roe is overturned and abortion goes state by state, it’ll be hard for the rural women in Mississippi and Indiana. To me that IS a convenience argument. If abortion is available in a handful of states, isn’t that enough and better than nothing – why MUST it be equally available in all 50 states so that it’s convenient for all?

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of "vacation" trips to Canada.

Or Ireland

Or a state where abortion is still legal. Simple bus ride away.

Simple? really?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a war on women! Women should have the right to decide their own lives and what goes on with their own bodies. When women have control of reproduction, they are better educated and have better financial freedom. Having a baby in high school is a bullet train to poverty.

You know how one can prevent that? Not letting a guy put it in when you're in high school. I'm not for abstinence only and I do think there are medical/criminal reasons for abortion, but let's be honest if any particular high school girl is soooo worried for her future bc she fears a condom will break and she wouldn't be able to get an abortion -- would it be the end of the world to not start sleeping with people until after high school??

It’s been a while but I seem to remember that high school boys might play a role here too...

Really? If they're putting it in without consent -- as I say above there's criminal reasons for an abortion then. But if a girl is letting them put it in knowing a pregnancy could result if no protection is used and/or if protection fails, the boy is burdened how exactly? Is he carrying the pregnancy and breastfeeding the kid? And I say this as a parent of daughters -- we all know girls carry the burden here, no matter how charming/convincing a boy may be.

Yes, let’s continue to absolve them of any responsibility. Good idea.

It's not about absolving them, it's biology. If there was some way a boy could get pregnant and suffer -- great. Yet there isn't. So I think all girls need to know that if you get pregnant, it is 100% going to be your problem. Sure the law may mandate child support or whatever but don't be so sure you'll actually get anything out of the guy - so make sure the sex is worth it. If abortion goes away/gets harder to find -- then girls need to maybe think twice of having any sex until they absolutely could financially provide for a kid; for most people that isn't high school.

Has there EVER beena time or place in the history of the world where all the strictures of society were able to prevent any unwanted pregnancy from happening, because every single girl/woman who didn't want to become pregnant never had any sex until they absolutely were in the situation where having a kid would be 100% fine?

Scolding people into creating Utopia is not going make it happen. Utopia doesn't exist and it never will. Your idea of a perfect state where all women avoid unwanted pregnancies will never, ever be reality. Ever.

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals just need something to be upset about these days. We’re a million miles away from Roe being overturned. Even if it is, abortion will become state by state. Do you honestly believe places like NY or CA or NJ ever turn red enough that no abortions will be offered anywhere?

As for --- OMG poor people can’t afford that. Give me a break, I’m having a very hard time believing the Harvard educated, raised in Greenwich/Long Island biglaw women I work with are soooo personally concerned about ghetto black women or rural Indiana white women. And let’s be honest, how many abortions does the average women get in a lifetime? Across all women, I bet it’s 0. But even if I’m wrong and it’s 1 or 2. I’m sorry if you need to get rid of a kid, 2x in your life, you will borrow from your baby daddy or a get pay day loan, get yourself on a greyhound bus and a motel 6 room and get it done. This is America, not rural Africa or South America; even poor people have access to credit cards – charge it all and pay it back for years, you’ll still get what you need. And if you don’t have credit, see above re pay day loans. It’s not THAT big of a deal.

Just because your capacity for empathy is broken doesn’t mean everyone’s is. We are not all so hateful and ignorant as you.

Why is it ignorant and hateful? Aren't there financial solutions there to get an abortion if you need it? What the gov't has to provide the abortion AND make it as convenient as possible for you?

Wow, you really just doubled down on your ignorance there. Congratulations.

But answer the question -- if abortions are available somewhere, why is it also required that it must be as easy as possible for you to get one? Why is it tragic if you have to inconvenience yourself to get one?

You fundamentally misunderstand the legal, political, financial and medical landscape here. Go educate yourself and then come back to talk to the grown-ups, until then you’re not worth wasting time on.

The fact that not one of you can answer one simple question – why must abortion be made convenient – suggests to me there is no answer beyond the usual liberal – FAIRNESS garbage.

Are you going to say that when you need a root canal that is only available 3 states away? What's the big deal? Why does your health care have to be convenient?

Bc despite all the yelling about rape and medical needs (for which they can always carve out an exception w hospitals), the MAJORITY of abortions are provided to women who don't want to have the baby of whomever they willingly slept with. They could've prevented that problem -- contraception, not putting out, whatever. They didn't. Now if they're inconvenienced bc they undertook consensual, pleasurable activity -- eh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of "vacation" trips to Canada.

Or Ireland

Or a state where abortion is still legal. Simple bus ride away.

Simple? really?

My bad - is Greyhound complicated?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of "vacation" trips to Canada.

Or Ireland

Or a state where abortion is still legal. Simple bus ride away.

Simple? really?

I don’t think pp has the cognitive capacity to understand the issue.

[Anonymous]

Don’t waste time on the troll trash, people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Liberals just need something to be upset about these days. We’re a million miles away from Roe being overturned. Even if it is, abortion will become state by state. Do you honestly believe places like NY or CA or NJ ever turn red enough that no abortions will be offered anywhere?

As for --- OMG poor people can’t afford that. Give me a break, I’m having a very hard time believing the Harvard educated, raised in Greenwich/Long Island biglaw women I work with are soooo personally concerned about ghetto black women or rural Indiana white women. And let’s be honest, how many abortions does the average women get in a lifetime? Across all women, I bet it’s 0. But even if I’m wrong and it’s 1 or 2. I’m sorry if you need to get rid of a kid, 2x in your life, you will borrow from your baby daddy or a get pay day loan, get yourself on a greyhound bus and a motel 6 room and get it done. This is America, not rural Africa or South America; even poor people have access to credit cards – charge it all and pay it back for years, you’ll still get what you need. And if you don’t have credit, see above re pay day loans. It’s not THAT big of a deal.

Just because your capacity for empathy is broken doesn’t mean everyone’s is. We are not all so hateful and ignorant as you.

Why is it ignorant and hateful? Aren't there financial solutions there to get an abortion if you need it? What the gov't has to provide the abortion AND make it as convenient as possible for you?

Wow, you really just doubled down on your ignorance there. Congratulations.

But answer the question -- if abortions are available somewhere, why is it also required that it must be as easy as possible for you to get one? Why is it tragic if you have to inconvenience yourself to get one?

You fundamentally misunderstand the legal, political, financial and medical landscape here. Go educate yourself and then come back to talk to the grown-ups, until then you’re not worth wasting time on.

The fact that not one of you can answer one simple question – why must abortion be made convenient – suggests to me there is no answer beyond the usual liberal – FAIRNESS garbage.

Government should not provide abortion. It shouldn't stay in the way of people who want it. Current issues with accessibility is manufactured.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine – people pay, government doesn’t provide them. But there is absolutely the outcry re – OMG if Roe is overturned and abortion goes state by state, it’ll be hard for the rural women in Mississippi and Indiana. To me that IS a convenience argument. If abortion is available in a handful of states, isn’t that enough and better than nothing – why MUST it be equally available in all 50 states so that it’s convenient for all?

Wow. I mean, I just can't even fathom someone not understanding that having huge swaths of the American public unable to get necessary health care is a problem. You yourself would be perfectly fine if your child had to get a basic procedure done like having a painful cyst removed from her ovary, but your state outlawed anyone being able to provide that procedure so you would have to spend time and money to take her halfway across the country to get it done? You really, truly would be fine with that? Even if you couldn't afford to do it?

How about if you moved somewhere with no dentists for 500 miles because dentists were outlawed? You'd be fine with that? Seriously? I mean, what's the problem with a little inconvenience of you taking off 2 days so you can drive 500 miles to get your teeth cleaned?