What does it mean to “ban” abortion?

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The article points out that American women would have to go to Canada to get an abortion but that’s it as far as real-world impact. There is so much more that needs to be figured out. Please, mainstream media, talk about the *law enforcement* side of this. Ask Republicans to explain in detail how the new laws will work. The only way to “ban” something is to make it illegal. It doesn’t just happen magically.

Oh, "that's it?"

Just waltz into a foreign country to have an elective medical procedure done, it's that easy!

Never mind that only 30% of Americans have a valid passport, never mind that it could cost thousands to travel, stay, and have an abortion in Canada, never mind that the people least able to afford this are the ones disproportionately affected by abortion bans!

Don’t forget about fascist legislators who want to give rapists — or viruss addlky anyone else — the right to sue for statutory damages in the event you travelled somewhere to obtain an abortion. A Fugitive Slave Act for women.

And the current but growing minority that want to charge women with MURDER for having an abortion. It exists. The Daily did a report on it a few months ago. Those people are terrifying. Used to be a fringe. And while they are still a small number, their numbers are growing. They even interviewed a woman who had an abortion and feels like she should be given a death sentence for her crime. WTF?

We’re sliding toward Gilead. It can still be stopped, but it’s going to rely on everyone voting straight ticket Democrat.

[Anonymous]

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The article points out that American women would have to go to Canada to get an abortion but that’s it as far as real-world impact. There is so much more that needs to be figured out. Please, mainstream media, talk about the *law enforcement* side of this. Ask Republicans to explain in detail how the new laws will work. The only way to “ban” something is to make it illegal. It doesn’t just happen magically.

Oh, "that's it?"

Just waltz into a foreign country to have an elective medical procedure done, it's that easy!

Never mind that only 30% of Americans have a valid passport, never mind that it could cost thousands to travel, stay, and have an abortion in Canada, never mind that the people least able to afford this are the ones disproportionately affected by abortion bans!

Don’t forget about fascist legislators who want to give rapists — or viruss addlky anyone else — the right to sue for statutory damages in the event you travelled somewhere to obtain an abortion. A Fugitive Slave Act for women.

And the current but growing minority that want to charge women with MURDER for having an abortion. It exists. The Daily did a report on it a few months ago. Those people are terrifying. Used to be a fringe. And while they are still a small number, their numbers are growing. They even interviewed a woman who had an abortion and feels like she should be given a death sentence for her crime. WTF?

Even rape victims?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The scary part about criminalizing all abortion is police and DAs can pick and choose who they want to target and charge. This is going to cause more felony convictions and prisons for minorities and low income families/women. Then as the real kicker, when they get out they can no longer vote!

I had never even thought of that! This just upped my anxiety.

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Anonymous wrote:Given Justice Kennedy’s retirement, I hear a lot of talk of “overturning” Roe v Wade or “banning” abortion. But what does this mean, practically speaking? Will girls who receive illegal abortions be arrested and charged with first-degree murder? What about rape victims? Will they be required by law to carry their rapist’s baby to term? Will women be required to report miscarriages to the police? Will the police be required to investigate all reports of miscarriages?

I was born after Roe v Wade so I’m trying to get a sense of what it will mean to return to a pre-Roe v Wade world.

It means the Republican party hates and wants to control women.

It means exactly what they have said they will do.

You will be discussing your female medical care with politicians. Ask Dr OZ and NC Repuke Boulic and Rep Andy Briggs .

It also means they are coming for women's jobs, property etc all women's rights. If you don't understand this or think I am insane good for you. I am not wrong.

Women's rights are not codified federally or at the state level.

Republicans want white control, that is what they will do. God help the rest of us because it will be devastating.

This is way bigger for women than a ban on abortion, this is going to be a ban like the Taliban. And if you can not see where we are headed you are well stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:And tell me DCUM reader -- Ms. Middle Class at 300k -- how many people do you personally hang out with who are at all affected by any of these problems? That they couldn't afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at Motel 6? I'm sure you have hordes of such friends, right? Or you're just soooo empathetic that you're not worried about your friends and family but the plight of the rural poor in Mississippi who will be so affected by this?

Really, why do you hate women? I mean, you write like a woman, so I suspect you are one, but why are you so full of rage? I’m an upper middle class woman in the blue Midwest whose husband - and only sex partner - has a vasectomy (after four boys, we’re done!). We have okay insurance and the money to bridge the gap to the deductible. But I’m aware that not all women have that. So yes I feel empathy for the women who have to find child care, take off multiple days at a crap job where they fit really get the days off, have to travel across the state and spend a night or three a hotel for the idiotic “waiting period.” Why are you so busted that you have no empathy?

Did a boyfriend force you to abort? Did your parents force you to give up your baby for adoption? Because you are really angry and taking it out on people who are just having empathy for those with a tougher go. There must be a reason.

Nope. But I knew not to open my legs until I could 100% take care of a baby if a boyfriend walked away the next day. If people don't have any sense of responsibility, I can only feel so bad for their situation.

What if a loser of a boyfriend forced himself on you?

If it’s not consensual go to the cops and the hospital and get an abortion that way. Pretty sure that option isn’t going away.

Cops don’t determine whether someone was raped or not - juries do. So you would have to wait until your rapist’s jury trial is concluded, or for him to plead guilty, before you will be able to get an abortion. How old will your rapist’s baby be by then?

Bumping this thread since Trump has now said that there should be an exception for rape. How would this work in practice? Would it have to be proven in a court of law first? Would just an accusation be enough for a legal abortion?

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Anonymous wrote:And tell me DCUM reader -- Ms. Middle Class at 300k -- how many people do you personally hang out with who are at all affected by any of these problems? That they couldn't afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at Motel 6? I'm sure you have hordes of such friends, right? Or you're just soooo empathetic that you're not worried about your friends and family but the plight of the rural poor in Mississippi who will be so affected by this?

Really, why do you hate women? I mean, you write like a woman, so I suspect you are one, but why are you so full of rage? I’m an upper middle class woman in the blue Midwest whose husband - and only sex partner - has a vasectomy (after four boys, we’re done!). We have okay insurance and the money to bridge the gap to the deductible. But I’m aware that not all women have that. So yes I feel empathy for the women who have to find child care, take off multiple days at a crap job where they fit really get the days off, have to travel across the state and spend a night or three a hotel for the idiotic “waiting period.” Why are you so busted that you have no empathy?

Did a boyfriend force you to abort? Did your parents force you to give up your baby for adoption? Because you are really angry and taking it out on people who are just having empathy for those with a tougher go. There must be a reason.

Nope. But I knew not to open my legs until I could 100% take care of a baby if a boyfriend walked away the next day. If people don't have any sense of responsibility, I can only feel so bad for their situation.

What if a loser of a boyfriend forced himself on you?

If it’s not consensual go to the cops and the hospital and get an abortion that way. Pretty sure that option isn’t going away.

Cops don’t determine whether someone was raped or not - juries do. So you would have to wait until your rapist’s jury trial is concluded, or for him to plead guilty, before you will be able to get an abortion. How old will your rapist’s baby be by then?

Bumping this thread since Trump has now said that there should be an exception for rape. How would this work in practice? Would it have to be proven in a court of law first? Would just an accusation be enough for a legal abortion?

Trump himself was proven in civil court to be a rapist and a third of the country doesn’t believe it.

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Anonymous wrote:And tell me DCUM reader -- Ms. Middle Class at 300k -- how many people do you personally hang out with who are at all affected by any of these problems? That they couldn't afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at Motel 6? I'm sure you have hordes of such friends, right? Or you're just soooo empathetic that you're not worried about your friends and family but the plight of the rural poor in Mississippi who will be so affected by this?

Really, why do you hate women? I mean, you write like a woman, so I suspect you are one, but why are you so full of rage? I’m an upper middle class woman in the blue Midwest whose husband - and only sex partner - has a vasectomy (after four boys, we’re done!). We have okay insurance and the money to bridge the gap to the deductible. But I’m aware that not all women have that. So yes I feel empathy for the women who have to find child care, take off multiple days at a crap job where they fit really get the days off, have to travel across the state and spend a night or three a hotel for the idiotic “waiting period.” Why are you so busted that you have no empathy?

Did a boyfriend force you to abort? Did your parents force you to give up your baby for adoption? Because you are really angry and taking it out on people who are just having empathy for those with a tougher go. There must be a reason.

Nope. But I knew not to open my legs until I could 100% take care of a baby if a boyfriend walked away the next day. If people don't have any sense of responsibility, I can only feel so bad for their situation.

What if a loser of a boyfriend forced himself on you?

If it’s not consensual go to the cops and the hospital and get an abortion that way. Pretty sure that option isn’t going away.

Cops don’t determine whether someone was raped or not - juries do. So you would have to wait until your rapist’s jury trial is concluded, or for him to plead guilty, before you will be able to get an abortion. How old will your rapist’s baby be by then?

Bumping this thread since Trump has now said that there should be an exception for rape. How would this work in practice? Would it have to be proven in a court of law first? Would just an accusation be enough for a legal abortion?

The GOP has no execution on any of this. So I wouldn't trust a word Trump said because whatever they promise will be broken.

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Anonymous wrote:And tell me DCUM reader -- Ms. Middle Class at 300k -- how many people do you personally hang out with who are at all affected by any of these problems? That they couldn't afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at Motel 6? I'm sure you have hordes of such friends, right? Or you're just soooo empathetic that you're not worried about your friends and family but the plight of the rural poor in Mississippi who will be so affected by this?

Really, why do you hate women? I mean, you write like a woman, so I suspect you are one, but why are you so full of rage? I’m an upper middle class woman in the blue Midwest whose husband - and only sex partner - has a vasectomy (after four boys, we’re done!). We have okay insurance and the money to bridge the gap to the deductible. But I’m aware that not all women have that. So yes I feel empathy for the women who have to find child care, take off multiple days at a crap job where they fit really get the days off, have to travel across the state and spend a night or three a hotel for the idiotic “waiting period.” Why are you so busted that you have no empathy?

Did a boyfriend force you to abort? Did your parents force you to give up your baby for adoption? Because you are really angry and taking it out on people who are just having empathy for those with a tougher go. There must be a reason.

Nope. But I knew not to open my legs until I could 100% take care of a baby if a boyfriend walked away the next day. If people don't have any sense of responsibility, I can only feel so bad for their situation.

What if a loser of a boyfriend forced himself on you?

If it’s not consensual go to the cops and the hospital and get an abortion that way. Pretty sure that option isn’t going away.

Cops don’t determine whether someone was raped or not - juries do. So you would have to wait until your rapist’s jury trial is concluded, or for him to plead guilty, before you will be able to get an abortion. How old will your rapist’s baby be by then?

Bumping this thread since Trump has now said that there should be an exception for rape. How would this work in practice? Would it have to be proven in a court of law first? Would just an accusation be enough for a legal abortion?

How would it actually work? Probably like the old witch trials. If the rape was not sufficiently and overtly violent, it would not be counted as a rape and the rape victim would be compelled to give birth and share custody with the criminal who raped her. If the rape was sufficiently violent and she died from the injuries, then they would know she had been raped.

It’s neat way to punish women and make sure they’re damned if they are and damned if they aren’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Given Justice Kennedy’s retirement, I hear a lot of talk of “overturning” Roe v Wade or “banning” abortion. But what does this mean, practically speaking? Will girls who receive illegal abortions be arrested and charged with first-degree murder? What about rape victims? Will they be required by law to carry their rapist’s baby to term? Will women be required to report miscarriages to the police? Will the police be required to investigate all reports of miscarriages?

I was born after Roe v Wade so I’m trying to get a sense of what it will mean to return to a pre-Roe v Wade world.

Six years later, you now understand what it means to "ban" abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:Given Justice Kennedy’s retirement, I hear a lot of talk of “overturning” Roe v Wade or “banning” abortion. But what does this mean, practically speaking? Will girls who receive illegal abortions be arrested and charged with first-degree murder? What about rape victims? Will they be required by law to carry their rapist’s baby to term? Will women be required to report miscarriages to the police? Will the police be required to investigate all reports of miscarriages?

I was born after Roe v Wade so I’m trying to get a sense of what it will mean to return to a pre-Roe v Wade world.

Six years later, you now understand what it means to "ban" abortion.

Why are you replying to me? I understood six year ago what it meant. I’m not the OP.

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Anonymous wrote:And tell me DCUM reader -- Ms. Middle Class at 300k -- how many people do you personally hang out with who are at all affected by any of these problems? That they couldn't afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at Motel 6? I'm sure you have hordes of such friends, right? Or you're just soooo empathetic that you're not worried about your friends and family but the plight of the rural poor in Mississippi who will be so affected by this?

Really, why do you hate women? I mean, you write like a woman, so I suspect you are one, but why are you so full of rage? I’m an upper middle class woman in the blue Midwest whose husband - and only sex partner - has a vasectomy (after four boys, we’re done!). We have okay insurance and the money to bridge the gap to the deductible. But I’m aware that not all women have that. So yes I feel empathy for the women who have to find child care, take off multiple days at a crap job where they fit really get the days off, have to travel across the state and spend a night or three a hotel for the idiotic “waiting period.” Why are you so busted that you have no empathy?

Did a boyfriend force you to abort? Did your parents force you to give up your baby for adoption? Because you are really angry and taking it out on people who are just having empathy for those with a tougher go. There must be a reason.

Nope. But I knew not to open my legs until I could 100% take care of a baby if a boyfriend walked away the next day. If people don't have any sense of responsibility, I can only feel so bad for their situation.

What if a loser of a boyfriend forced himself on you?

If it’s not consensual go to the cops and the hospital and get an abortion that way. Pretty sure that option isn’t going away.

Cops don’t determine whether someone was raped or not - juries do. So you would have to wait until your rapist’s jury trial is concluded, or for him to plead guilty, before you will be able to get an abortion. How old will your rapist’s baby be by then?

Bumping this thread since Trump has now said that there should be an exception for rape. How would this work in practice? Would it have to be proven in a court of law first? Would just an accusation be enough for a legal abortion?

The GOP has no execution on any of this. So I wouldn't trust a word Trump said because whatever they promise will be broken.

Medical exceptions don’t even work, forget about rape exceptions.

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Anonymous wrote:And tell me DCUM reader -- Ms. Middle Class at 300k -- how many people do you personally hang out with who are at all affected by any of these problems? That they couldn't afford a greyhound ticket or 2 nights at Motel 6? I'm sure you have hordes of such friends, right? Or you're just soooo empathetic that you're not worried about your friends and family but the plight of the rural poor in Mississippi who will be so affected by this?

Really, why do you hate women? I mean, you write like a woman, so I suspect you are one, but why are you so full of rage? I’m an upper middle class woman in the blue Midwest whose husband - and only sex partner - has a vasectomy (after four boys, we’re done!). We have okay insurance and the money to bridge the gap to the deductible. But I’m aware that not all women have that. So yes I feel empathy for the women who have to find child care, take off multiple days at a crap job where they fit really get the days off, have to travel across the state and spend a night or three a hotel for the idiotic “waiting period.” Why are you so busted that you have no empathy?

Did a boyfriend force you to abort? Did your parents force you to give up your baby for adoption? Because you are really angry and taking it out on people who are just having empathy for those with a tougher go. There must be a reason.

Nope. But I knew not to open my legs until I could 100% take care of a baby if a boyfriend walked away the next day. If people don't have any sense of responsibility, I can only feel so bad for their situation.

What if a loser of a boyfriend forced himself on you?

If it’s not consensual go to the cops and the hospital and get an abortion that way. Pretty sure that option isn’t going away.

Cops don’t determine whether someone was raped or not - juries do. So you would have to wait until your rapist’s jury trial is concluded, or for him to plead guilty, before you will be able to get an abortion. How old will your rapist’s baby be by then?

Bumping this thread since Trump has now said that there should be an exception for rape. How would this work in practice? Would it have to be proven in a court of law first? Would just an accusation be enough for a legal abortion?

No one knows. It would be state by state and maybe county by county, depending on whether the prosecutor wants to bring charges against you. Witness this case in Texas where the prosecutor jailed and then had a grand jury indict a woman for murder even though Texas law doesn't actually allow for that.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/30/texas-woman-sues-abotion-arrest-starr-county/

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Anonymous wrote:Roe isn't going anywhere. The sky is not falling.

Conservatives are pragmatists. They don't like abortion, so they tend not to have them. They also recognize the tremendous value in keeping the numbers of liberals in check that abortion provides. Margaret Sanger knew what she was doing when she founded PP.

Wow. This aged BADLY.

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Anonymous wrote:Given Justice Kennedy’s retirement, I hear a lot of talk of “overturning” Roe v Wade or “banning” abortion. But what does this mean, practically speaking? Will girls who receive illegal abortions be arrested and charged with first-degree murder? What about rape victims? Will they be required by law to carry their rapist’s baby to term? Will women be required to report miscarriages to the police? Will the police be required to investigate all reports of miscarriages?

I was born after Roe v Wade so I’m trying to get a sense of what it will mean to return to a pre-Roe v Wade world.

Six years later, you now understand what it means to "ban" abortion.

We did have Roe making abortion in the first trimester legal. Then it moved all the way out to nine months on demand and force the tax payer to pay for it.

How did that happen?

It didn't happen except in the messed up minds of pro-"life" trolls.

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Anonymous wrote:Roe isn't going anywhere. The sky is not falling.

Conservatives are pragmatists. They don't like abortion, so they tend not to have them. They also recognize the tremendous value in keeping the numbers of liberals in check that abortion provides. Margaret Sanger knew what she was doing when she founded PP.

Wow. This aged BADLY.

Didn’t it?!

They now expect us to ignore their rumbles about birth control and women voting.