What does it mean to “ban” abortion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So you're going to arrest hundreds of not thousands of women? Do you think most people are going to put up with a police state?

Marijuana is being decriminalized. We need someone to fill those jails and prisons. Incarceration is big business. Also, we need to increase the domestic supply of.infants, as Alito put it, to ensure the foster care to prison pipeline. If you think I'm being hyperbolic, check in with me in 20 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you're going to arrest hundreds of not thousands of women? Do you think most people are going to put up with a police state?

Marijuana is being decriminalized. We need someone to fill those jails and prisons. Incarceration is big business. Also, we need to increase the domestic supply of.infants, as Alito put it, to ensure the foster care to prison pipeline. If you think I'm being hyperbolic, check in with me in 20 years.

You don't even need an abortion to arrest. Just arrest for "suspected abortion " (i.e., a miscarriage). A woman in Alabama was just arrested for this.

[Anonymous]

The scary part about criminalizing all abortion is police and DAs can pick and choose who they want to target and charge. This is going to cause more felony convictions and prisons for minorities and low income families/women. Then as the real kicker, when they get out they can no longer vote!

[Anonymous]

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Honestly, I blame the mainstream media for *never* holding Republicans’ feet to the fire on this issue. A few simple questions would have helped voters really understand what they were getting by electing Republicans:

1. Is abortion murder?
2. If a woman gets an abortion, should she be charged with a crime? If so, what is the appropriate penalty?
3. Do you believe in the death penalty?
4. Should rape victims be forced to deliver their rapists’ baby?
5. Should police investigate miscarriages?

Just for starters. But they were allowed to slide and here we are.

And this is exactly what I’m talking about:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mitch-mcconnell-national-abortion-ban-possible-roe-v-wade_n_62772e80e4b0b7c8f0851155

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell promises a *national* abortion ban as soon Republicans get power again and NOT ONE WORD in the article about whether this means that women who get abortions will be charged with first-degree murder. Or if rape victims will be arrested. Or if miscarriages will be investigated by the police. The mainstream media has just completely failed the American people on this issue.

It’s not a problem that we can fix immediately but the right wing stranglehold on the “mainstream” media has to be fixed. You are 100% correct; the media isn’t focusing on the actual problem or the consequences at all.

The article points out that American women would have to go to Canada to get an abortion but that’s it as far as real-world impact. There is so much more that needs to be figured out. Please, mainstream media, talk about the *law enforcement* side of this. Ask Republicans to explain in detail how the new laws will work. The only way to “ban” something is to make it illegal. It doesn’t just happen magically.

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Do reporters even know how to do their jobs anymore?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The scary part about criminalizing all abortion is police and DAs can pick and choose who they want to target and charge. This is going to cause more felony convictions and prisons for minorities and low income families/women. Then as the real kicker, when they get out they can no longer vote!

Yes, this! So many of the women who are active anti-abortion advocates will be fine.

As many of these efforts will also criminalize certain kinds of birth control and make consistent access to effective methods of birth control more difficult, it’s likely that at least some women will be more hesitant about having sex at least some of the time, while pregnancy rates may increase — both changes that are likely to be linked to increases in domestic violence, whether it gets reported or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Honestly, I blame the mainstream media for *never* holding Republicans’ feet to the fire on this issue. A few simple questions would have helped voters really understand what they were getting by electing Republicans:

1. Is abortion murder?
2. If a woman gets an abortion, should she be charged with a crime? If so, what is the appropriate penalty?
3. Do you believe in the death penalty?
4. Should rape victims be forced to deliver their rapists’ baby?
5. Should police investigate miscarriages?

Just for starters. But they were allowed to slide and here we are.

And this is exactly what I’m talking about:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mitch-mcconnell-national-abortion-ban-possible-roe-v-wade_n_62772e80e4b0b7c8f0851155

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell promises a *national* abortion ban as soon Republicans get power again and NOT ONE WORD in the article about whether this means that women who get abortions will be charged with first-degree murder. Or if rape victims will be arrested. Or if miscarriages will be investigated by the police. The mainstream media has just completely failed the American people on this issue.

It’s not a problem that we can fix immediately but the right wing stranglehold on the “mainstream” media has to be fixed. You are 100% correct; the media isn’t focusing on the actual problem or the consequences at all.

The article points out that American women would have to go to Canada to get an abortion but that’s it as far as real-world impact. There is so much more that needs to be figured out. Please, mainstream media, talk about the *law enforcement* side of this. Ask Republicans to explain in detail how the new laws will work. The only way to “ban” something is to make it illegal. It doesn’t just happen magically.

Maybe we’re (finally) starting to get some answers on the logistics:

https://www.wral.com/bo-s-time-nc-republican-political-newcomer-draws-fire-in-bid-for-toss-up-congressional-seat/20530941/

Hines thinks abortion should be unlawful except in cases where a mother’s life is at risk. He wants victims of rape and incest to be allowed to get an abortion on a case-by-case basis through a community-level review process outside the jurisdiction of the federal government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Honestly, I blame the mainstream media for *never* holding Republicans’ feet to the fire on this issue. A few simple questions would have helped voters really understand what they were getting by electing Republicans:

1. Is abortion murder?
2. If a woman gets an abortion, should she be charged with a crime? If so, what is the appropriate penalty?
3. Do you believe in the death penalty?
4. Should rape victims be forced to deliver their rapists’ baby?
5. Should police investigate miscarriages?

Just for starters. But they were allowed to slide and here we are.

And this is exactly what I’m talking about:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mitch-mcconnell-national-abortion-ban-possible-roe-v-wade_n_62772e80e4b0b7c8f0851155

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell promises a *national* abortion ban as soon Republicans get power again and NOT ONE WORD in the article about whether this means that women who get abortions will be charged with first-degree murder. Or if rape victims will be arrested. Or if miscarriages will be investigated by the police. The mainstream media has just completely failed the American people on this issue.

It’s not a problem that we can fix immediately but the right wing stranglehold on the “mainstream” media has to be fixed. You are 100% correct; the media isn’t focusing on the actual problem or the consequences at all.

The article points out that American women would have to go to Canada to get an abortion but that’s it as far as real-world impact. There is so much more that needs to be figured out. Please, mainstream media, talk about the *law enforcement* side of this. Ask Republicans to explain in detail how the new laws will work. The only way to “ban” something is to make it illegal. It doesn’t just happen magically.

Maybe we’re (finally) starting to get some answers on the logistics:

https://www.wral.com/bo-s-time-nc-republican-political-newcomer-draws-fire-in-bid-for-toss-up-congressional-seat/20530941/

Hines thinks abortion should be unlawful except in cases where a mother’s life is at risk. He wants victims of rape and incest to be allowed to get an abortion on a case-by-case basis through a community-level review process outside the jurisdiction of the federal government.

Oh great. Christianist religious tribunals deciding if a woman is worthy of an abortion. That they think this is better is so telling. The cruelty is the point.

[Anonymous]

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The article points out that American women would have to go to Canada to get an abortion but that’s it as far as real-world impact. There is so much more that needs to be figured out. Please, mainstream media, talk about the *law enforcement* side of this. Ask Republicans to explain in detail how the new laws will work. The only way to “ban” something is to make it illegal. It doesn’t just happen magically.

Oh, "that's it?"

Just waltz into a foreign country to have an elective medical procedure done, it's that easy!

Never mind that only 30% of Americans have a valid passport, never mind that it could cost thousands to travel, stay, and have an abortion in Canada, never mind that the people least able to afford this are the ones disproportionately affected by abortion bans!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Roe isn't going anywhere. The sky is not falling.

Conservatives are pragmatists. They don't like abortion, so they tend not to have them. They also recognize the tremendous value in keeping the numbers of liberals in check that abortion provides. Margaret Sanger knew what she was doing when she founded PP.

Prognostication is not your forte, is it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Roe isn't going anywhere. The sky is not falling.

Conservatives are pragmatists. They don't like abortion, so they tend not to have them. They also recognize the tremendous value in keeping the numbers of liberals in check that abortion provides. Margaret Sanger knew what she was doing when she founded PP.

Prognostication is not your forte, is it?

Gaslighting is though.

So many cons think they’re so smart and they’re not. They also thought they understood what their party was up to; they didn’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Get ready for the return of campus daycares at middle schools, high schools, and universities. For the price of an arm and leg, of course.

The teen birth rate is currently at an all-time low.

Pregnancy is prevented by birth control

The birth control that religious fanatics working at pharmacies refuse to sell? The birth control that used to be available at Plsnned Parenthood and other clinics closed by elected forced birther theocrats? The birth control that right wing companies like Hobby Lobby won’t pay for under their health plans because of the activist judicial fiction that a company itself has a sincerely held religious belief? The people who believe you have no right to privacy when it comes to decisions involving contraception or with whom you engage in sex?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Roe isn't going anywhere. The sky is not falling.

Conservatives are pragmatists. They don't like abortion, so they tend not to have them. They also recognize the tremendous value in keeping the numbers of liberals in check that abortion provides. Margaret Sanger knew what she was doing when she founded PP.

Prognostication is not your forte, is it?

Gaslighting is though.

So many cons think they’re so smart and they’re not. They also thought they understood what their party was up to; they didn’t.

They understood.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

The article points out that American women would have to go to Canada to get an abortion but that’s it as far as real-world impact. There is so much more that needs to be figured out. Please, mainstream media, talk about the *law enforcement* side of this. Ask Republicans to explain in detail how the new laws will work. The only way to “ban” something is to make it illegal. It doesn’t just happen magically.

Oh, "that's it?"

Just waltz into a foreign country to have an elective medical procedure done, it's that easy!

Never mind that only 30% of Americans have a valid passport, never mind that it could cost thousands to travel, stay, and have an abortion in Canada, never mind that the people least able to afford this are the ones disproportionately affected by abortion bans!

Don’t forget about fascist legislators who want to give rapists — or viruss addlky anyone else — the right to sue for statutory damages in the event you travelled somewhere to obtain an abortion. A Fugitive Slave Act for women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Get ready for the return of campus daycares at middle schools, high schools, and universities. For the price of an arm and leg, of course.

The teen birth rate is currently at an all-time low.

Pregnancy is prevented by birth control

The birth control that religious fanatics working at pharmacies refuse to sell? The birth control that used to be available at Plsnned Parenthood and other clinics closed by elected forced birther theocrats? The birth control that right wing companies like Hobby Lobby won’t pay for under their health plans because of the activist judicial fiction that a company itself has a sincerely held religious belief? The people who believe you have no right to privacy when it comes to decisions involving contraception or with whom you engage in sex?

The MAGAs who are voting for these things don't understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The article points out that American women would have to go to Canada to get an abortion but that’s it as far as real-world impact. There is so much more that needs to be figured out. Please, mainstream media, talk about the *law enforcement* side of this. Ask Republicans to explain in detail how the new laws will work. The only way to “ban” something is to make it illegal. It doesn’t just happen magically.

Oh, "that's it?"

Just waltz into a foreign country to have an elective medical procedure done, it's that easy!

Never mind that only 30% of Americans have a valid passport, never mind that it could cost thousands to travel, stay, and have an abortion in Canada, never mind that the people least able to afford this are the ones disproportionately affected by abortion bans!

Don’t forget about fascist legislators who want to give rapists — or viruss addlky anyone else — the right to sue for statutory damages in the event you travelled somewhere to obtain an abortion. A Fugitive Slave Act for women.

And the current but growing minority that want to charge women with MURDER for having an abortion. It exists. The Daily did a report on it a few months ago. Those people are terrifying. Used to be a fringe. And while they are still a small number, their numbers are growing. They even interviewed a woman who had an abortion and feels like she should be given a death sentence for her crime. WTF?