Is being bi-gender a "thing" at your kid's school?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, kids are impressionable and they're being told all of these differences are to be celebrated. Not just tolerated, mind you, but celebrated. So yes, there is a rash of confused kids embracing these identities.

Ah, that word tolerance. It sounds so quaint now. Remember when that's all that was expected, to "tolerate" these behaviors? Now it has to be full blown acceptance.

Tolerate has always meant acceptance. This is all a little silly but it isn't unacceptable. What is unacceptable is an adult who would mock or deride a child for this or post on an internet chat board protesting it. Only the most deranged sort of loser adult who is sick in the mind would do something like that.

No tolerate, means to put up with something, not think there's nothing wrong with it.

In this context, you are wrong. And your viewpoint here is not valid. Are you this ugly despicable person to which I was referring? I would like for you to stop thinking so much about teenagers and who they say they fuck. That is creepy and pervy.

It's worse than that. Most of these kids aren't even sexually active yet (at least among dd and her crowd). They're just figuring out who they are. It's the OP and her ilk imagining these nonexistent teen-trans-orgies all happening with the parents' and school admins' blessings. The kids are figuring out what labels they're most comfortable with, since adults seem so determined to label everyone. The adults like OP are the ones making it all about sex. Gender identity isn't the same as sexuality. It's a separate issue.

Bs. You do not have a clue with what's going on. It is not a separate issue any longer and I have see. That first hand among our children's peers. This should not be raken lightly and it saddens me that parents such as yourself are so niave and dismissive.

Well, I have a gender fluid dd, and we actually discuss her feelings and thoughts as well as the happenings in her friend groups, so I have a decent handle on the situation. You, on the other hand, heard from a friend who saw some story on Facebook or wherever about how the others are ruining their kids' lives by existing. Yeah, you know so much more about it.

Yes, sexual preference and gender identity are two separate issues. It's a very ignorant person who says they aren't. Gender is a social construct. Boy toys and girl toys, pink and blue, feminine and masculine... People created those things. There's no one size fits all. Two sizes aren't even enough. I'm glad the next generation is coming to terms with people being accepted for who they are. It's not really any different from tomboys in the past. Of course boys might not have had such an easy time if they didn't fit the stereotypical male roles, but I'm glad that the kids who don't/can't conform can have a little more acceptance these days. It's still not easy. There are still people like op, and possibly op's kids who see it as their job to put these kids down, and make them feel bad about themselves, but I'm glad more people are being tolerant.

What I don't get about this whole gender binary thing is why is how masculine or feminine you feel worthy of giving yourself some official label? In the case of transgenders, they actually feel as if they are born in the wrong body and are trying to be recognized as the sex of what they feel they were meant to be. These gender fluid kids don't feel the need to become the opposite sex. They are just kids who don't feel overwhelming masculine or feminine. Well goody for them. They are still either boys or girls, why do they have to try to get official recognition about how masuline or feminine they consider themselves? In the past tomboys did not see any reason to give themselves a special gender category.

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Anonymous wrote:There are only 3 genders...male, female, and mental illness.

If you want to live your life like that, then you should live your life like that. However, I hope that you will be polite to everybody. Also, please be aware that, if you are rude to people for being their gender wrong (according to you), there are plenty of people who will have a low opinion of you as a consequence.

Only people who haven't taken a biology class. There are only men and women. Men have a penis and women have a vagina. PERIOD

That's biological sex. Sex and gender are different things, regardless of people talking about their fetus's "gender." (They mean "sex." It's just weird for some people to use the word "sex" when referring to a fetus.)

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What I don't get about this whole gender binary thing is why is how masculine or feminine you feel worthy of giving yourself some official label? In the case of transgenders, they actually feel as if they are born in the wrong body and are trying to be recognized as the sex of what they feel they were meant to be. These gender fluid kids don't feel the need to become the opposite sex. They are just kids who don't feel overwhelming masculine or feminine. Well goody for them. They are still either boys or girls, why do they have to try to get official recognition about how masuline or feminine they consider themselves? In the past tomboys did not see any reason to give themselves a special gender category.

You're basically asking, "Why do people do things that I wouldn't want to do?" Answer: because they're different people who aren't you.

I, personally, don't understand how anybody can be a fan of any particular sports team. I mean, what's this "we won" and "we lost" stuff? You weren't playing. However, I acknowledge that there are plenty of people who aren't me who do feel that way. In fact, who feel that way very strongly.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, kids are impressionable and they're being told all of these differences are to be celebrated. Not just tolerated, mind you, but celebrated. So yes, there is a rash of confused kids embracing these identities.

Ah, that word tolerance. It sounds so quaint now. Remember when that's all that was expected, to "tolerate" these behaviors? Now it has to be full blown acceptance.

Tolerate has always meant acceptance. This is all a little silly but it isn't unacceptable. What is unacceptable is an adult who would mock or deride a child for this or post on an internet chat board protesting it. Only the most deranged sort of loser adult who is sick in the mind would do something like that.

No tolerate, means to put up with something, not think there's nothing wrong with it.

In this context, you are wrong. And your viewpoint here is not valid. Are you this ugly despicable person to which I was referring? I would like for you to stop thinking so much about teenagers and who they say they fuck. That is creepy and pervy.

It's worse than that. Most of these kids aren't even sexually active yet (at least among dd and her crowd). They're just figuring out who they are. It's the OP and her ilk imagining these nonexistent teen-trans-orgies all happening with the parents' and school admins' blessings. The kids are figuring out what labels they're most comfortable with, since adults seem so determined to label everyone. The adults like OP are the ones making it all about sex. Gender identity isn't the same as sexuality. It's a separate issue.

Bs. You do not have a clue with what's going on. It is not a separate issue any longer and I have see. That first hand among our children's peers. This should not be raken lightly and it saddens me that parents such as yourself are so niave and dismissive.

Well, I have a gender fluid dd, and we actually discuss her feelings and thoughts as well as the happenings in her friend groups, so I have a decent handle on the situation. You, on the other hand, heard from a friend who saw some story on Facebook or wherever about how the others are ruining their kids' lives by existing. Yeah, you know so much more about it.

Yes, sexual preference and gender identity are two separate issues. It's a very ignorant person who says they aren't. Gender is a social construct. Boy toys and girl toys, pink and blue, feminine and masculine... People created those things. There's no one size fits all. Two sizes aren't even enough. I'm glad the next generation is coming to terms with people being accepted for who they are. It's not really any different from tomboys in the past. Of course boys might not have had such an easy time if they didn't fit the stereotypical male roles, but I'm glad that the kids who don't/can't conform can have a little more acceptance these days. It's still not easy. There are still people like op, and possibly op's kids who see it as their job to put these kids down, and make them feel bad about themselves, but I'm glad more people are being tolerant.

What I don't get about this whole gender binary thing is why is how masculine or feminine you feel worthy of giving yourself some official label? In the case of transgenders, they actually feel as if they are born in the wrong body and are trying to be recognized as the sex of what they feel they were meant to be. These gender fluid kids don't feel the need to become the opposite sex. They are just kids who don't feel overwhelming masculine or feminine. Well goody for them. They are still either boys or girls, why do they have to try to get official recognition about how masuline or feminine they consider themselves? In the past tomboys did not see any reason to give themselves a special gender category.

Sure they did! The word boy is right in there! The difference is that people who identify as gender-fluid or -non-binary recognize that they can go back and forth. They don't have to be strictly tomboy or femme or whatever 100% all the time.

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I'm curious as to whether considering oneself to be gender flexible is more prevalent among biological girls, or are biological boys claiming to be gender flexible in the same numbers?

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What I don't get about this whole gender binary thing is why is how masculine or feminine you feel worthy of giving yourself some official label? In the case of transgenders, they actually feel as if they are born in the wrong body and are trying to be recognized as the sex of what they feel they were meant to be. These gender fluid kids don't feel the need to become the opposite sex. They are just kids who don't feel overwhelming masculine or feminine. Well goody for them. They are still either boys or girls, why do they have to try to get official recognition about how masuline or feminine they consider themselves? In the past tomboys did not see any reason to give themselves a special gender category.

You're basically asking, "Why do people do things that I wouldn't want to do?" Answer: because they're different people who aren't you.

I, personally, don't understand how anybody can be a fan of any particular sports team. I mean, what's this "we won" and "we lost" stuff? You weren't playing. However, I acknowledge that there are plenty of people who aren't me who do feel that way. In fact, who feel that way very strongly.

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Masculine and feminine are labels. Why is it so bizarre that someone would say "I don't fit with those labels; I have another one"?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, kids are impressionable and they're being told all of these differences are to be celebrated. Not just tolerated, mind you, but celebrated. So yes, there is a rash of confused kids embracing these identities.

Ah, that word tolerance. It sounds so quaint now. Remember when that's all that was expected, to "tolerate" these behaviors? Now it has to be full blown acceptance.

Tolerate has always meant acceptance. This is all a little silly but it isn't unacceptable. What is unacceptable is an adult who would mock or deride a child for this or post on an internet chat board protesting it. Only the most deranged sort of loser adult who is sick in the mind would do something like that.

No tolerate, means to put up with something, not think there's nothing wrong with it.

In this context, you are wrong. And your viewpoint here is not valid. Are you this ugly despicable person to which I was referring? I would like for you to stop thinking so much about teenagers and who they say they fuck. That is creepy and pervy.

It's worse than that. Most of these kids aren't even sexually active yet (at least among dd and her crowd). They're just figuring out who they are. It's the OP and her ilk imagining these nonexistent teen-trans-orgies all happening with the parents' and school admins' blessings. The kids are figuring out what labels they're most comfortable with, since adults seem so determined to label everyone. The adults like OP are the ones making it all about sex. Gender identity isn't the same as sexuality. It's a separate issue.

Bs. You do not have a clue with what's going on. It is not a separate issue any longer and I have see. That first hand among our children's peers. This should not be raken lightly and it saddens me that parents such as yourself are so niave and dismissive.

Well, I have a gender fluid dd, and we actually discuss her feelings and thoughts as well as the happenings in her friend groups, so I have a decent handle on the situation. You, on the other hand, heard from a friend who saw some story on Facebook or wherever about how the others are ruining their kids' lives by existing. Yeah, you know so much more about it.

Yes, sexual preference and gender identity are two separate issues. It's a very ignorant person who says they aren't. Gender is a social construct. Boy toys and girl toys, pink and blue, feminine and masculine... People created those things. There's no one size fits all. Two sizes aren't even enough. I'm glad the next generation is coming to terms with people being accepted for who they are. It's not really any different from tomboys in the past. Of course boys might not have had such an easy time if they didn't fit the stereotypical male roles, but I'm glad that the kids who don't/can't conform can have a little more acceptance these days. It's still not easy. There are still people like op, and possibly op's kids who see it as their job to put these kids down, and make them feel bad about themselves, but I'm glad more people are being tolerant.

What I don't get about this whole gender binary thing is why is how masculine or feminine you feel worthy of giving yourself some official label? In the case of transgenders, they actually feel as if they are born in the wrong body and are trying to be recognized as the sex of what they feel they were meant to be. These gender fluid kids don't feel the need to become the opposite sex. They are just kids who don't feel overwhelming masculine or feminine. Well goody for them. They are still either boys or girls, why do they have to try to get official recognition about how masuline or feminine they consider themselves? In the past tomboys did not see any reason to give themselves a special gender category.

Sure they did! The word boy is right in there! The difference is that people who identify as gender-fluid or -non-binary recognize that they can go back and forth. They don't have to be strictly tomboy or femme or whatever 100% all the time.

Tomboys didn't deny they were girls. They weren't crossing out female on forms and claiming to be a third sex. They weren't expressing any desire to use the boy's bathroom, or referring to themselves as "they" instead of "she".

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Tomboys didn't deny they were girls. They weren't crossing out female on forms and claiming to be a third sex. They weren't expressing any desire to use the boy's bathroom, or referring to themselves as "they" instead of "she".

Autres temps, autres moeurs, eh?

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This is not unique to MS/HS. My DC attended a summer program at a top college recently and most of the staff had a line in their correspondence like this:

Jane Doe
Residence Director
XYZ University
PronounsShe/ Her/ They/ Them)

The younger generation has lived a highly customized life as a result of growing up in the digital age where everything they do is tailored to them. They create personalized content and define profiles for everything - playlists, news feeds, friend groups, etc. They can control what they are exposed to, who they interact with, and how they are perceived. Personal interaction is done through social media not in real life. It's a completely different experience than we had growing up and I'm not sure I fully understand it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, kids are impressionable and they're being told all of these differences are to be celebrated. Not just tolerated, mind you, but celebrated. So yes, there is a rash of confused kids embracing these identities.

Ah, that word tolerance. It sounds so quaint now. Remember when that's all that was expected, to "tolerate" these behaviors? Now it has to be full blown acceptance.

Tolerate has always meant acceptance. This is all a little silly but it isn't unacceptable. What is unacceptable is an adult who would mock or deride a child for this or post on an internet chat board protesting it. Only the most deranged sort of loser adult who is sick in the mind would do something like that.

No tolerate, means to put up with something, not think there's nothing wrong with it.

In this context, you are wrong. And your viewpoint here is not valid. Are you this ugly despicable person to which I was referring? I would like for you to stop thinking so much about teenagers and who they say they fuck. That is creepy and pervy.

It's worse than that. Most of these kids aren't even sexually active yet (at least among dd and her crowd). They're just figuring out who they are. It's the OP and her ilk imagining these nonexistent teen-trans-orgies all happening with the parents' and school admins' blessings. The kids are figuring out what labels they're most comfortable with, since adults seem so determined to label everyone. The adults like OP are the ones making it all about sex. Gender identity isn't the same as sexuality. It's a separate issue.

Bs. You do not have a clue with what's going on. It is not a separate issue any longer and I have see. That first hand among our children's peers. This should not be raken lightly and it saddens me that parents such as yourself are so niave and dismissive.

Well, I have a gender fluid dd, and we actually discuss her feelings and thoughts as well as the happenings in her friend groups, so I have a decent handle on the situation. You, on the other hand, heard from a friend who saw some story on Facebook or wherever about how the others are ruining their kids' lives by existing. Yeah, you know so much more about it.

Yes, sexual preference and gender identity are two separate issues. It's a very ignorant person who says they aren't. Gender is a social construct. Boy toys and girl toys, pink and blue, feminine and masculine... People created those things. There's no one size fits all. Two sizes aren't even enough. I'm glad the next generation is coming to terms with people being accepted for who they are. It's not really any different from tomboys in the past. Of course boys might not have had such an easy time if they didn't fit the stereotypical male roles, but I'm glad that the kids who don't/can't conform can have a little more acceptance these days. It's still not easy. There are still people like op, and possibly op's kids who see it as their job to put these kids down, and make them feel bad about themselves, but I'm glad more people are being tolerant.

No you don't. You have a child who is extremely mixed up and needs your guidance, not your weak giving in.

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Well, I have a gender fluid dd, and we actually discuss her feelings and thoughts as well as the happenings in her friend groups, so I have a decent handle on the situation. You, on the other hand, heard from a friend who saw some story on Facebook or wherever about how the others are ruining their kids' lives by existing. Yeah, you know so much more about it.

Yes, sexual preference and gender identity are two separate issues. It's a very ignorant person who says they aren't. Gender is a social construct. Boy toys and girl toys, pink and blue, feminine and masculine... People created those things. There's no one size fits all. Two sizes aren't even enough. I'm glad the next generation is coming to terms with people being accepted for who they are. It's not really any different from tomboys in the past. Of course boys might not have had such an easy time if they didn't fit the stereotypical male roles, but I'm glad that the kids who don't/can't conform can have a little more acceptance these days. It's still not easy. There are still people like op, and possibly op's kids who see it as their job to put these kids down, and make them feel bad about themselves, but I'm glad more people are being tolerant.

No you don't. You have a child who is extremely mixed up and needs your guidance, not your weak giving in.

I am going to assume that that PP knows more about their child than you know about their child.

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If you are talking about 11, 12, 13 year olds who still haven't figured out whether they are boys or girls, and you can't see what a problem that is, then you have your head completely in the sand. Most of us figure that out by the age of 2 or so.

Most of us do. And some of us don't. Different people are different people who have different experiences. (DCUM always has troubles with this concept.)

More to the point, how does it harm you? Having to acknowledge that there are different people who have different experiences does not constitute harm. Neither does having to acknowledge that different people understand the world differently. And, really, if somebody wants you to use a particular pronoun/name for them, but you want to use a different one, then there's nothing stopping you from doing that. Including my opinion that it's rude.

It's harming me greatly because it is harming society. More to the point it's harming my kids to have to put up with this BS at school, when they should be learning about, you know, physics or chemistry. I agree that it is harming most of all the poor kids who do not have parents with the sense to see the danger on this.

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Anonymous wrote:There are only 3 genders...male, female, and mental illness.

If you want to live your life like that, then you should live your life like that. However, I hope that you will be polite to everybody. Also, please be aware that, if you are rude to people for being their gender wrong (according to you), there are plenty of people who will have a low opinion of you as a consequence.

Only people who haven't taken a biology class. There are only men and women. Men have a penis and women have a vagina. PERIOD

The fact that so- called grown, mature adults have to be reminded of this is staggering.

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Guys, the bottom line is that there are only 2 genders. All this your crap can be thrown in the trash. Do you have XX or XY chromosomes. XX makes you a woman. XY makes you a man. Slay trans people always look different and weird. Imagine a trans woman fighting you, I'd need a weapon because that is just a man with long hair. I would need to do some Floyd Mayweather on that MAN. She has proven that gender disphoria is a mental disorder.

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Anonymous wrote:There are only 3 genders...male, female, and mental illness.

If you want to live your life like that, then you should live your life like that. However, I hope that you will be polite to everybody. Also, please be aware that, if you are rude to people for being their gender wrong (according to you), there are plenty of people who will have a low opinion of you as a consequence.

Only people who haven't taken a biology class. There are only men and women. Men have a penis and women have a vagina. PERIOD

That's biological sex. Sex and gender are different things, regardless of people talking about their fetus's "gender." (They mean "sex." It's just weird for some people to use the word "sex" when referring to a fetus.)

No, they are not. If you had any inkling of real science beyond about 7th grade, you might have some recognition of how idiotic you sound