Is being bi-gender a "thing" at your kid's school?

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NCAA college sports are not sex-segregated, they're gender-segregated. Look, here's their policy: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:NCAA college sports are not sex-segregated, they're gender-segregated. Look, here's their policy: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf

Correct. In order to be compassionate, the NCAA has decided that it is acceptable for biological males to compete with biological women, even understanding that there are physical differences which can give biological men an advantage (although, that may lessen as children are prevented from going through the puberty of their sex). Unfortunately, this places biological women at a disadvantage, but women are required to suck it up, as usual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NCAA college sports are not sex-segregated, they're gender-segregated. Look, here's their policy: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf

Correct. In order to be compassionate, the NCAA has decided that it is acceptable for biological males to compete with biological women, even understanding that there are physical differences which can give biological men an advantage (although, that may lessen as children are prevented from going through the puberty of their sex). Unfortunately, this places biological women at a disadvantage, but women are required to suck it up, as usual.

Transwomen are women. Ciswomen need to resist conservatives' efforts to pit women against each other. That only lets cismen win.
--a ciswoman.

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Anonymous wrote:There are only 3 genders...male, female, and mental illness.

If you want to live your life like that, then you should live your life like that. However, I hope that you will be polite to everybody. Also, please be aware that, if you are rude to people for being their gender wrong (according to you), there are plenty of people who will have a low opinion of you as a consequence.

Only people who haven't taken a biology class. There are only men and women. Men have a penis and women have a vagina. PERIOD

The fact that so- called grown, mature adults have to be reminded of this is staggering.

Do you deny that intersex people exist?

What about people who had penises, but lost them due to medical incidents or accidents, even combat? They don't have vaginas? Isn't what's in your head important?

No what's in "your head" is not important especially since, as evidenced here, what is in a lot of people's heads is very peverted and mixed up. And as to men that have lost organs due to accident- they are still chromosomly and biologically males of course. As are men who wear dresses, change their name to Katie, and pretend to be female.

I have come to realize that here in lies the crux of this issue. The bolded statement, that above does not bother me a lick. Even if its "all wrong", even if there is no biological or societal basis to say that a person IS or IS NOT a certain sex based on what they feel in their head/ or based on their body, it simply does not bother me if someone who is 1 sex wants to "pretend" to be the other sex. It just doesn't. FWIW, I don't think its so simple as pretending to be something or being 100% in the wrong body. But eve if it were, I don't see why that should preclude anyone from any rights or the ability to do that, its just not something that matters to me. Just like the idea that someone is 'born' gay or 'chooses' to live as a gay person, I always kind of partially disliked the idea that it would be OK to discriminate based on a choice. So what if it IS a choice for some people in the middle of the sexual spectrum or whatever, it doesn't matter to me if its something that feel biological or feels like a choice, it should just be respected as part of humanity.

I would care less if people pretending to be the other sex didn't decide they needed to adopt the most extreme stereotypes of gender performance in order to do it. You're a woman? And we know you're a woman because you're wearing ridiculous high heels and always made up a ton and your hair tweaked within an inch of its life? How about being a woman and wear some jeans and a tshirt. Oh, that doesn't make you feel feminine enough? The extreme gender performance makes me think it's more of a fetish than anything else. And it reinforces gender performance which I think is damaging to girls and woman.

This bothers me, too.

In a way, I feel like the who gender non-conforming thing is very retro. It seems to me that somehow girls must have a very narrow view of what it means to be a woman if they've decided that wearing jeans and short hair or eschewing makeup means they aren't female but instead are something else. It makes more sense to me that boys might feel GNC, because I think the range of what's acceptable behavior/dress/interests/essence for males is actually more narrow. But as a Gen Xer, I had kind of thought throughout much of my life, we were moving in a direction of wider acceptability for various definitions of "feminine" and "masculine." Now instead it seems like young people have decided that being a "woman" doesn't provide enough space to be oneself. That makes me sad, and puzzled. And, as a woman, it makes me uncomfortable.

That said, I don't really care much what you want to call yourself or how you dress. Just please be clear about what you want to be called, and please don't take offense if I screw up. I'm really not trying to offend.

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Anonymous wrote:NCAA college sports are not sex-segregated, they're gender-segregated. Look, here's their policy: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf

Correct. In order to be compassionate, the NCAA has decided that it is acceptable for biological males to compete with biological women, even understanding that there are physical differences which can give biological men an advantage (although, that may lessen as children are prevented from going through the puberty of their sex). Unfortunately, this places biological women at a disadvantage, but women are required to suck it up, as usual.

Transwomen are women. Ciswomen need to resist conservatives' efforts to pit women against each other. That only lets cismen win.
--a ciswoman.

You can identify with whatever gender you want, but a trans woman will never be a real woman. You can't change the fact that you were born a man.

It's not a level playing field for real women if they have to compete against a trans woman that has a physical advantage due to bone structure. Even if the advantage is very small, they are still shamelessly cheating.

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Anonymous wrote:NCAA college sports are not sex-segregated, they're gender-segregated. Look, here's their policy: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf

Correct. In order to be compassionate, the NCAA has decided that it is acceptable for biological males to compete with biological women, even understanding that there are physical differences which can give biological men an advantage (although, that may lessen as children are prevented from going through the puberty of their sex). Unfortunately, this places biological women at a disadvantage, but women are required to suck it up, as usual.

Transwomen are women. Ciswomen need to resist conservatives' efforts to pit women against each other. That only lets cismen win.
--a ciswoman.

You can identify with whatever gender you want, but a trans woman will never be a real woman. You can't change the fact that you were born a man.

It's not a level playing field for real women if they have to compete against a trans woman that has a physical advantage due to bone structure. Even if the advantage is very small, they are still shamelessly cheating.

Well I'm sure you'll shame them and try to put them in their places to make up for their shamelessness.

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If transgender people want their gender expression to be a representation of their sex, they're doing it wrong.Sex is biological. I am female whether I wear pants or not. I'm female whether I have breasts or not. I can have a masculine gender representation, but I will always be a biological female.

I don't care if someone's gender expression is a representation of their sex. I do care if men-dressed/behaving-in-a-feminine-manner decide they should use the women's changing room and if boys-dressed/behaving-in-a-feminine-manner decide they should play on sports teams that have been designated for the female sex or attempt to get college scholarships that have been designated for the female sex.

Change your gender representation all you want. People are mostly only going to care (barring a few extreme people - the same people who care when kids were emo, etc) when you try to encroach on things that had been sex segregated for good reason. When you try to use "gender" and "sex" interchangeably.

I don't understand. First you distinguish between gender and sex (correctly, in my opinion) and say that you don't care if people's gender expression matches their sex -- but then you talk about "men" using the women's changing room. As far as I know, there are no men who want to use the women's changing room (or women who want to use the men's changing room). What there is, is women (transgender women) who want to use the women's changing room and men (transgender men) who want to use the men's changing room. And if you say, no, those women are men (or those men are women), then evidently you do believe that people's gender expression must match their sex. I.e., people born with female parts in their pants must use the women's changing room, even if they live their lives as men.

Now, if that's what you believe, then that's what you believe. Please recognize, though, that

1. There are lots of people who do not believe that, and
2. You are spending a lot of time and thought trying to make life difficult for a small number of people who have done nothing to harm you except contradict, by virtue of their existence, your sense of how people ought and ought not to be.

Transgender women are biologically male. Their gender expression is female, their sex is male.
Transgender girls are biologically male. Their gender expression is female, their sex is male.

Their gender expression is not their sex.

Our locker rooms are sex segregated.
Many sports are sex segregated.
Some college scholarship opportunities are sex segregated.

The problem is people who want to use gender representation to take advantage of a sex-segregated environment/activity/opportunity.

Only when you conflate sex and gender do you run into this problem. A boy wants to dress as a girl, be called by a girl's name, use she/her pronouns? Go for it. That same child wants to try out for the girl's soccer team? I'm not so supportive. People of the female sex have historically had fewer opportunities to do sports, worse facilities and training, less money spent on them, and here yet again is a member of the male sex trying to get an opportunity that's meant for a female.

Give it a rest, would you?

In other words, you have no answer for this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NCAA college sports are not sex-segregated, they're gender-segregated. Look, here's their policy: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf

Correct. In order to be compassionate, the NCAA has decided that it is acceptable for biological males to compete with biological women, even understanding that there are physical differences which can give biological men an advantage (although, that may lessen as children are prevented from going through the puberty of their sex). Unfortunately, this places biological women at a disadvantage, but women are required to suck it up, as usual.

"Compassionate" and "NCAA" are certainly two words I never expected to see in the same sentence. The NCAA, be compassionate? I mean, really?!

PP, you are now arguing that

1. you know better than people who are transwomen about how to be themselves
2. you know better than the NCAA about how to do college sports

Please consider the possibility that you don't actually know better?

I also wonder why the fixation on transwomen, together with the almost total non-mention of transmen. That's not just you, PP; that's a general fixation/non-mention.

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If transgender people want their gender expression to be a representation of their sex, they're doing it wrong.Sex is biological. I am female whether I wear pants or not. I'm female whether I have breasts or not. I can have a masculine gender representation, but I will always be a biological female.

I don't care if someone's gender expression is a representation of their sex. I do care if men-dressed/behaving-in-a-feminine-manner decide they should use the women's changing room and if boys-dressed/behaving-in-a-feminine-manner decide they should play on sports teams that have been designated for the female sex or attempt to get college scholarships that have been designated for the female sex.

Change your gender representation all you want. People are mostly only going to care (barring a few extreme people - the same people who care when kids were emo, etc) when you try to encroach on things that had been sex segregated for good reason. When you try to use "gender" and "sex" interchangeably.

I don't understand. First you distinguish between gender and sex (correctly, in my opinion) and say that you don't care if people's gender expression matches their sex -- but then you talk about "men" using the women's changing room. As far as I know, there are no men who want to use the women's changing room (or women who want to use the men's changing room). What there is, is women (transgender women) who want to use the women's changing room and men (transgender men) who want to use the men's changing room. And if you say, no, those women are men (or those men are women), then evidently you do believe that people's gender expression must match their sex. I.e., people born with female parts in their pants must use the women's changing room, even if they live their lives as men.

Now, if that's what you believe, then that's what you believe. Please recognize, though, that

1. There are lots of people who do not believe that, and
2. You are spending a lot of time and thought trying to make life difficult for a small number of people who have done nothing to harm you except contradict, by virtue of their existence, your sense of how people ought and ought not to be.

Transgender women are biologically male. Their gender expression is female, their sex is male.
Transgender girls are biologically male. Their gender expression is female, their sex is male.

Their gender expression is not their sex.

Our locker rooms are sex segregated.
Many sports are sex segregated.
Some college scholarship opportunities are sex segregated.

The problem is people who want to use gender representation to take advantage of a sex-segregated environment/activity/opportunity.

Only when you conflate sex and gender do you run into this problem. A boy wants to dress as a girl, be called by a girl's name, use she/her pronouns? Go for it. That same child wants to try out for the girl's soccer team? I'm not so supportive. People of the female sex have historically had fewer opportunities to do sports, worse facilities and training, less money spent on them, and here yet again is a member of the male sex trying to get an opportunity that's meant for a female.

Give it a rest, would you?

In other words, you have no answer for this.

None that you will accept, because you have been completely brainwashed by this madness. The point is, the rest of us are sick of hearing about it.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NCAA college sports are not sex-segregated, they're gender-segregated. Look, here's their policy: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf

Correct. In order to be compassionate, the NCAA has decided that it is acceptable for biological males to compete with biological women, even understanding that there are physical differences which can give biological men an advantage (although, that may lessen as children are prevented from going through the puberty of their sex). Unfortunately, this places biological women at a disadvantage, but women are required to suck it up, as usual.

"Compassionate" and "NCAA" are certainly two words I never expected to see in the same sentence. The NCAA, be compassionate? I mean, really?!

PP, you are now arguing that

1. you know better than people who are transwomen about how to be themselves
2. you know better than the NCAA about how to do college sports

Please consider the possibility that you don't actually know better?

I also wonder why the fixation on transwomen, together with the almost total non-mention of transmen. That's not just you, PP; that's a general fixation/non-mention.

Transmen gain no advantage in sport. I don't think anyone has an issue with transmen on men's teams from a fairness perspective. if a transwoman has transitioned and had hormone treatment and has testosterone levels in a normal range for women, then I don't mind them competing as women. They may still have a strength advantage but given the other challenges they have faced, I don't mind.

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Anonymous wrote:NCAA college sports are not sex-segregated, they're gender-segregated. Look, here's their policy: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf

Correct. In order to be compassionate, the NCAA has decided that it is acceptable for biological males to compete with biological women, even understanding that there are physical differences which can give biological men an advantage (although, that may lessen as children are prevented from going through the puberty of their sex). Unfortunately, this places biological women at a disadvantage, but women are required to suck it up, as usual.

Transwomen are women. Ciswomen need to resist conservatives' efforts to pit women against each other. That only lets cismen win.
--a ciswoman.

You can identify with whatever gender you want, but a trans woman will never be a real woman. You can't change the fact that you were born a man.

It's not a level playing field for real women if they have to compete against a trans woman that has a physical advantage due to bone structure. Even if the advantage is very small, they are still shamelessly cheating.

Oh dear lord, elite level athletics are never a "level playing field"- there is no wide parity in talent across sports and divisions, if there were The Lady Vols and the New England Patriots would have the same number of titles as George Mason and the Cleveland Browns. So if what you are worried about is all the transwomen in a given sport deciding to pool together to create a Voltron team of women's indoor volleyball players and that being "not fair" to their opponents, I mean, really? This is not a realistic concern

[Anonymous]

Genuine question— for those who believe that gender and sex are equivalent, would you permit your son, if he agrees that he is a boy but who likes feminine things, to go to school dressed like his female peers? Say, a skirt with a cute feminine-cut top, and a little subtle makeup?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Genuine question— for those who believe that gender and sex are equivalent, would you permit your son, if he agrees that he is a boy but who likes feminine things, to go to school dressed like his female peers? Say, a skirt with a cute feminine-cut top, and a little subtle makeup?

Sure. But I don't see how that has anything to do with whether gender and sex are equivalent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NCAA college sports are not sex-segregated, they're gender-segregated. Look, here's their policy: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf

Correct. In order to be compassionate, the NCAA has decided that it is acceptable for biological males to compete with biological women, even understanding that there are physical differences which can give biological men an advantage (although, that may lessen as children are prevented from going through the puberty of their sex). Unfortunately, this places biological women at a disadvantage, but women are required to suck it up, as usual.

+1.

The manipulation comes straight out of 1984.