Is being bi-gender a "thing" at your kid's school?

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Anonymous wrote:A number of parents have told me that at their kids' high schools they've noticed a (for lack of better word) trend of kids declaring themselves as bi-gender, gender queer, or gender flexible. Apparently this is not the same thing as being transgender because they do not really wish to be the opposite sex and are not taking hormones. It's more that they feel like they are both genders and don't feel comfortable calling themselves either a male or female. One woman told me that a boy in her son's class sometimes dresses as a male and goes by Robert and other times goes female and goes by Roberta. I will fully admit that this is weird as shit to me, but I'm wondering if this is really a common thing in high schools now?

The news has been filled with stories about transgender bathrooms in fcps schools, in Target, in gyms etc. It's definitely a trendy thing nowadays. So many new words too, to define one's gender/sexual identity. Most of the kids doing this are just "trans-trenders". Very few of them are actually trans gender or confused about gender. It's kind of sad that this has become a trend, because it's really damaging to real, actual trans gender people.

Oh the poor transgendered, please!!! On the first day of school my DD is handed a questionnaire to fill out about his she identifies. Amazing. Even more so when the question airess were used I. Group settings to discuss your intolerance if you didn't say you were bi sexual. Too far, libs, too far.

Pp may I ask where all of this is taking place? Public or private school? DC area?

Primarily among upper NW dc private school classmates with Wilson and bethesda public high schools sprinkled in.

The questionnaire was at the field school. They are heavy into gender neutrality and spend countless classroom hours drumming it into these kids heads. Lost a lot if students this year because of this very issue.

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Probably 70=80% of the girls at my DD school identify as non binary.

I don't get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, kids are impressionable and they're being told all of these differences are to be celebrated. Not just tolerated, mind you, but celebrated. So yes, there is a rash of confused kids embracing these identities.

Ah, that word tolerance. It sounds so quaint now. Remember when that's all that was expected, to "tolerate" these behaviors? Now it has to be full blown acceptance.

Tolerate has always meant acceptance. This is all a little silly but it isn't unacceptable. What is unacceptable is an adult who would mock or deride a child for this or post on an internet chat board protesting it. Only the most deranged sort of loser adult who is sick in the mind would do something like that.

No tolerate, means to put up with something, not think there's nothing wrong with it.

In this context, you are wrong. And your viewpoint here is not valid. Are you this ugly despicable person to which I was referring? I would like for you to stop thinking so much about teenagers and who they say they fuck. That is creepy and pervy.

It's worse than that. Most of these kids aren't even sexually active yet (at least among dd and her crowd). They're just figuring out who they are. It's the OP and her ilk imagining these nonexistent teen-trans-orgies all happening with the parents' and school admins' blessings. The kids are figuring out what labels they're most comfortable with, since adults seem so determined to label everyone. The adults like OP are the ones making it all about sex. Gender identity isn't the same as sexuality. It's a separate issue.

Bs. You do not have a clue with what's going on. It is not a separate issue any longer and I have see. That first hand among our children's peers. This should not be raken lightly and it saddens me that parents such as yourself are so niave and dismissive.

Well, I have a gender fluid dd, and we actually discuss her feelings and thoughts as well as the happenings in her friend groups, so I have a decent handle on the situation. You, on the other hand, heard from a friend who saw some story on Facebook or wherever about how the others are ruining their kids' lives by existing. Yeah, you know so much more about it.

Yes, sexual preference and gender identity are two separate issues. It's a very ignorant person who says they aren't. Gender is a social construct. Boy toys and girl toys, pink and blue, feminine and masculine... People created those things. There's no one size fits all. Two sizes aren't even enough. I'm glad the next generation is coming to terms with people being accepted for who they are. It's not really any different from tomboys in the past. Of course boys might not have had such an easy time if they didn't fit the stereotypical male roles, but I'm glad that the kids who don't/can't conform can have a little more acceptance these days. It's still not easy. There are still people like op, and possibly op's kids who see it as their job to put these kids down, and make them feel bad about themselves, but I'm glad more people are being tolerant.

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If you are talking about 11, 12, 13 year olds who still haven't figured out whether they are boys or girls, and you can't see what a problem that is, then you have your head completely in the sand. Most of us figure that out by the age of 2 or so.

Most of us do. And some of us don't. Different people are different people who have different experiences. (DCUM always has troubles with this concept.)

More to the point, how does it harm you? Having to acknowledge that there are different people who have different experiences does not constitute harm. Neither does having to acknowledge that different people understand the world differently. And, really, if somebody wants you to use a particular pronoun/name for them, but you want to use a different one, then there's nothing stopping you from doing that. Including my opinion that it's rude.

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest is still in elementary school, but does activities with older kids and this is definitely a thing. I suspect some of the kids are really genderqueer or trans, and others are just playing with an identity like millennia of teens before them.

Yup. Some of them are trying to shock the olds, and hey look, it's working!

I don't think they're trying to shock the olds, they're trying to fit in with the "hip, alternative" crowd.

And what makes the "hip, alternative" crowd hip and alternative? Certainly not conformity to the societal and cultural expectations of their parents' and grandparents' generations.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what is really nuts? All these DCUM people who think it's cool to insult each other for no good reason.

I can see disagreeing, but why do you have to say someone is dim or creepy or pervy, etc? I sincerely don't get it.

It's important to put some people in their place and deny them any inch of credibility. People who fixate on how teens identify themselves are despicable (deplorable?) and not worthy of any sort of credence.

So in other words, anyone who has a moral opinion that is different from your own is deplorable and not worthy of any sort of credence?

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Anonymous wrote:Probably 70=80% of the girls at my DD school identify as non binary.

I don't get it.

Just curious what pronoun do they use? Apparently the thing now is to refer to an individual who defines this way as a "they" instead of a he or she.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what is really nuts? All these DCUM people who think it's cool to insult each other for no good reason.

I can see disagreeing, but why do you have to say someone is dim or creepy or pervy, etc? I sincerely don't get it.

It's important to put some people in their place and deny them any inch of credibility. People who fixate on how teens identify themselves are despicable (deplorable?) and not worthy of any sort of credence.

So in other words, anyone who has a moral opinion that is different from your own is deplorable and not worthy of any sort of credence?

DP. No, what the PP said is, "People who fixate on how teens identify themselves are despicable (deplorable?) and not worthy of any sort of credence." (Italics for emphasis.) I'm sure that both you and the other PP have moral opinions on any number of other issues, which the other PP said nothing about.

If you want your moral issue to be -- using the nouns and pronouns for teenagers that you think they ought to have, not the ones they want you to use -- then go right ahead, I guess.

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There are only 3 genders...male, female, and mental illness.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what is really nuts? All these DCUM people who think it's cool to insult each other for no good reason.

I can see disagreeing, but why do you have to say someone is dim or creepy or pervy, etc? I sincerely don't get it.

It's important to put some people in their place and deny them any inch of credibility. People who fixate on how teens identify themselves are despicable (deplorable?) and not worthy of any sort of credence.

So in other words, anyone who has a moral opinion that is different from your own is deplorable and not worthy of any sort of credence?

DP. No, what the PP said is, "People who fixate on how teens identify themselves are despicable (deplorable?) and not worthy of any sort of credence." (Italics for emphasis.) I'm sure that both you and the other PP have moral opinions on any number of other issues, which the other PP said nothing about.

If you want your moral issue to be -- using the nouns and pronouns for teenagers that you think they ought to have, not the ones they want you to use -- then go right ahead, I guess.

I'm not okay with that kind of hypocrisy. The pro-binary poster needs to work on her own grammar before dictating grammar rules to other people.

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Anonymous wrote:There are only 3 genders...male, female, and mental illness.

If you want to live your life like that, then you should live your life like that. However, I hope that you will be polite to everybody. Also, please be aware that, if you are rude to people for being their gender wrong (according to you), there are plenty of people who will have a low opinion of you as a consequence.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what is really nuts? All these DCUM people who think it's cool to insult each other for no good reason.

I can see disagreeing, but why do you have to say someone is dim or creepy or pervy, etc? I sincerely don't get it.

It's important to put some people in their place and deny them any inch of credibility. People who fixate on how teens identify themselves are despicable (deplorable?) and not worthy of any sort of credence.

So in other words, anyone who has a moral opinion that is different from your own is deplorable and not worthy of any sort of credence?

If you think it's a moral argument to dispute how someone self-identifies, that's pretty much the epitome of irony. If would be a character deficiency to do such a thing, ergo someone who thinks and behaves this way would be a bad and immoral person.

So, yes, if this is the way you think, you are deplorable and not worthy of any sort of credence.

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Anonymous wrote:There are only 3 genders...male, female, and mental illness.

If you want to live your life like that, then you should live your life like that. However, I hope that you will be polite to everybody. Also, please be aware that, if you are rude to people for being their gender wrong (according to you), there are plenty of people who will have a low opinion of you as a consequence.

Only people who haven't taken a biology class. There are only men and women. Men have a penis and women have a vagina. PERIOD

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I'm not okay with that kind of hypocrisy. The pro-binary poster needs to work on her own grammar before dictating grammar rules to other people.

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I don't think that the "boys are boys and girls are girls" PP is primarily upset about the singular they. And if that is what the BABAGAG PP is primarily upset about -- it's already a lost cause anyway. Both the singular they (for example, "Everybody needs to bring their calculator to class tomorrow") and the non-specific they (for example, "Somebody left their purse in the girls' locker room") are well-established in standard American English usage.

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Anonymous wrote:There are only 3 genders...male, female, and mental illness.

If you want to live your life like that, then you should live your life like that. However, I hope that you will be polite to everybody. Also, please be aware that, if you are rude to people for being their gender wrong (according to you), there are plenty of people who will have a low opinion of you as a consequence.

Only people who haven't taken a biology class. There are only men and women. Men have a penis and women have a vagina. PERIOD

As I said, you go ahead and live your life like that.