Ex hubby's girlfriend moved in and didn't tell me

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Whoa OP doesn't your custody agreement have your daughter with you when your ex is out of town? Visitation is for the parent, not the parent's GF.



+1. Custody is for the parents. Many custody agreements have a right of first refusal clause, where if the parent with custody is going to be gone longer than X number of hours, that parent must first offer the time to the other parent before engaging a sitter or other person to watch the child. What does your custody agreement say? Consult an attorney about how to document and proceed on this, very legitimate problem. But, be aware, if you have this clause, you have to be ready for your ex to dump your child on you without much notice and you have to receive the child without complaining that ex is falling down on his parenting time.
Anonymous
I cant believe the posters who are saying its none of her business! If he were just dating, thats one thing, but he moved her in. Of course the mom or dad should be told about who is going to be around the child. Thats just common sense and common courtesy!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I cant believe the posters who are saying its none of her business! If he were just dating, thats one thing, but he moved her in. Of course the mom or dad should be told about who is going to be around the child. Thats just common sense and common courtesy!


+1!! Those PP's canno possibly have children.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP Here. I know it doesn't seem like it, but I can tell you I rarely talk to my daughter about her dad. We have our own lives and I have recreated a life for ourselves. This crap only comes up when he pulls this BS.

Yes, in the past I did get upset because I asked him not to introduce the GF yet, as we had just moved again and it was really really hard on my daughter. In that move she realized that we were not getting back together. Very long winded but it was really really tough, she hated my new apt, begged to go back to my old one and literally started hoarding, not throwing anything away. She didn't want a pet because she would miss it too much when it died. (Once I saw this, I took her to therapy. She went for 6 months. Did wonders). Of course it was the perfect time for a major introroductin.

Within one month he introduced M, had her sleep over, my daughter saw her in his bed (the same bed she saw me sleeping in), babysit her and would say things like - but Mom, she does everything you do??? Yep, confused.

It is one side of the story but I can tell you in very vague pretenses that at one point child protective services had to be called over his BS (because dancing naked in front of a 6 year old is distrubing at best, and her therapist reported it) and even last Labor Day weekend he didn't like something I did, drove up to my street and snatched my daughter from me on the side of the street when I was about to host a sleepover for the girls. And the next day told my daughter that I was supposed to apollogize to her. Can't make this shit up.

Yep, VIP day is on him. He will have to step up to the plate. I'm only going to take her to lunch afterwards and only focus on me and her as a family unit. Because the douchebag is not a part of our game plan.

So judge all you want DCUM. I know a few of you out there get it. In the end I have to coparent with a complete jerk.


You sure picked a good one
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I cant believe the posters who are saying its none of her business! If he were just dating, thats one thing, but he moved her in. Of course the mom or dad should be told about who is going to be around the child. Thats just common sense and common courtesy!


Those posters are nuts, but come on, you gotta admit that the OP come off like a complete loon. there is way more to this story.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP Here. I know it doesn't seem like it, but I can tell you I rarely talk to my daughter about her dad. We have our own lives and I have recreated a life for ourselves. This crap only comes up when he pulls this BS.

Yes, in the past I did get upset because I asked him not to introduce the GF yet, as we had just moved again and it was really really hard on my daughter. In that move she realized that we were not getting back together. Very long winded but it was really really tough, she hated my new apt, begged to go back to my old one and literally started hoarding, not throwing anything away. She didn't want a pet because she would miss it too much when it died. (Once I saw this, I took her to therapy. She went for 6 months. Did wonders). Of course it was the perfect time for a major introroductin.

Within one month he introduced M, had her sleep over, my daughter saw her in his bed (the same bed she saw me sleeping in), babysit her and would say things like - but Mom, she does everything you do??? Yep, confused.

It is one side of the story but I can tell you in very vague pretenses that at one point child protective services had to be called over his BS (because dancing naked in front of a 6 year old is distrubing at best, and her therapist reported it) and even last Labor Day weekend he didn't like something I did, drove up to my street and snatched my daughter from me on the side of the street when I was about to host a sleepover for the girls. And the next day told my daughter that I was supposed to apollogize to her. Can't make this shit up.

Yep, VIP day is on him. He will have to step up to the plate. I'm only going to take her to lunch afterwards and only focus on me and her as a family unit. Because the douchebag is not a part of our game plan.

So judge all you want DCUM. I know a few of you out there get it. In the end I have to coparent with a complete jerk.


You sure picked a good one


I met the iddiot when I was 24. Way to young. His charasmatic ways brought me in, even though when I met him, he was 3 months out of an egagement that the girl left him. Yes, I'm fully aware I never should I have dated him in the first place. But here I am. I can't change the past, but attempting to navigate the future.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I cant believe the posters who are saying its none of her business! If he were just dating, thats one thing, but he moved her in. Of course the mom or dad should be told about who is going to be around the child. Thats just common sense and common courtesy!


Those posters are nuts, but come on, you gotta admit that the OP come off like a complete loon. there is way more to this story.



Call me a loon all you want, but read this article, and its exactly where I'm at. I left the narrassitic asshole of a person but I do still have scars today. Trauma changes people, it changed me for sure. https://afternarcissisticabuse.wordpress.com/2015/03/09/narcissistic-abuse-leaves-us-feeling-damaged/

https://afternarcissisticabuse.wordpress.com



I'm sorry but the asshole hacking into my facebook, phone, email etc scared me aside from everything else. Just all you want, but abuse is abuse is abuse.
Anonymous
To make it easier - here is the entire article:

Narcissistic Abuse Leaves Us Feeling Damaged
MAR 9


We live many years of our life with certain expectations about the integrity and intention of others. I don’t think any normal person regardless of their level of self esteem, expects to be so blindsided by and at odds metaphysically with the narcissistic person. Sure, self esteem issues may lead us to stay far longer putting up with a person who treats us poorly or is the root of our not asserting boundaries to protect ourselves, but narcissistic abuse goes far behind an assault on our self esteem. It attacks the fiber of who we ARE; our identities.

Think about this. Prior to meeting a narcissist, did you have any trouble whatsoever with YOUR identity? Did you know who you were? Did you know your strengths and weaknesses? Did you know what scared you or what you longed for? I can nearly guarantee that you had your identity quite together prior to a narcissist entering your life. One of the reasons narcissists target those they do, is to rob us of the good qualities that make us so “attractive”; not just our vulnerabilities or weak points. Our solid identities are their lifeblood.

Most targets are likeable people; reliable, dependable, lovable, stable and trustworthy. If we weren’t, we would not be so shocked and stunned to find how opposite a narcissist is to us and how the only way they could have possibly gotten close to us is by weasling their way into our heads and hearts via lies and manipulation.

Instead of returning to our previous selves in tact after the relationship ends, our identity is in a state of limbo; in flux and malleable which is very scary. While our core characteristics have remained the same, we’re suddenly needing to assimilate the new lessons and awareness into our selves going forward but we don’t find the experience a smooth, straight line or quick journey towards integration.

One is the Loneliest Number

Being on the receiving end of a person who lacks empathy shows a reality to the human condition that we didn’t want to believe existed. Watching people side with your abuser, disbelieve you and even worse, bully or smear you along with the narcissist is highly traumatic and isolating. It’s within our human nature or socialization to side with the crowd. The abuser gains momentum by getting to the crowd earlier and then playing up to them which is their perverse talent.

Targets have always connected with people based on truth and integrity. It’s shocking and defeating to have so many turn against you, even the one who said they “loved” you, for such an obvious lie, while you’re forced to stand alone and come to terms with the reality that “as long as you know the truth, nothing else matters.” That’s not an easy place to be in. We may find that we doubt ourselves due to the mob mentality because it’s so hard to stand on our own. When we’re escaping an abuser, we need validation and desperately want to return to “normal” but we find that our old normal is NOWHERE to be found.

We’re Damned If We Do, Damned If We Don’t

We know we need people, we know we shouldn’t isolate, but that’s all we feel the urge to do. Extending ourselves, risking, trying, trusting, analyzing, putting energy into others seems like an overwhelming feat, even after we’ve done a lot of work on ourselves to return to emotional health. It’s not always that another narcissist comes along, but they were so damaging to us and our interpersonal relationships that new ones seem formidable to participate in. The risks we’re willing to take with our hearts, minds, souls, and identity after the life sucking narcissist rips through our lives is far less than ever before. We can get stuck in a juxtaposition between wanting and not wanting people close to us. We risk pushing away people who can really be there for us because of the exhaustion and anxiety from our prior abusive experiences.

We Suffer Our Own Identity Crisis

We knew who we were before, why is it that we are having such a hard time successfully being ourselves now?
A person with an identity crisis targets someone who doesn’t and the target ends up experiencing one themselves. How does this happen? Lack of boundaries while in the relationship certainly explain why we give up who we are in order to try to keep the narcissist happy. (Yes, this is called codependency and yes, it is a requirement of a narcissistic relationship)
But why do we have identity issues once we are free?

We were defined and controlled while with the narcissist. We were further defined by others as the smear campaign was in full effect. We began to notice that the stress, abuse & mistrust and the toll it takes in every area of our lives. We feel weakened, less than, less capable, and more damaged. Which only reaffirms that who we formerly thought we were, is no longer showing up to handle things we used to be able to handle. Where we used to have stability, we now experience flux; sometimes severe and sometimes rapid.

Who are we NOW, then? Why can’t we be the same as before? Why did we have to change when we weren’t the person with the personality disorder?

It Feels as if Our Baseline Never Returns

Everything we do, and every way we are is like opening up a can of worms and turns into a major overhaul of who we are. When your world views have been changed so drastically by trauma, it begins to feel like our “baseline” is a moving target or that we’re chasing the foxes tail. Just when it seems we’ve reached our place of stability, something comes along and shakes it up causing us to make changes when that’s the last thing we want to do is change something else. It feels as if its a wound where the bleeding never stops. If it’s not some new way were dealing with our coworkers treatment of us at work, it’s the question of how much responsibility to take in a situation with inlaws, or other family members.

The identity and boundary work required after narcissistic abuse is daunting and exhausting. We feel the urge to sift through all the rubble just in case we miss something crucial to our never going through this again. We HAVE to show up to boundary challenges – or we may begin to notice how many people we’ve been tossing away, for valid reasons, but suddenly realize no one is there. We can get paralysis by analysis wondering if we did the right thing.

If before our lives were driven to meet goals surrounding financial gains, career aspirations or fitness and nutrition, NOW our goals focus on never being victimized again. The struggle to have power over our situation after such a random act of abuse consumes us, taking all our energy, all our focus and throwing our lives out of balance.

We Have a Hard Time Seeing Results and Staying Positive

How long do we have to practice doing the “right thing” or making the right choices to live a healthy life before we start reaping the rewards and seeing the positive results of our continued efforts? Our newfound knowledge of narcissistic people carries over into our everyday lives. We suddenly notice how narcissistic the office gossip is, or that annoying supervisor that throws everyone under the bus. We want to run, escape, avoid them, yet the financial difficulties of making decisions to leave unhealthy environments catches up with us and causes anxiety. Or we worry about being seen as unstable when all we want is that every elusive, “healthy environment”.

While we feel that we’re drowning in our own ineffective efforts to regain a life and identity we know realistically we’ll never have again, we’ll catch wind of the narcissist having the time of their lives, seemingly unaffected by the same abusive relationship that left us feeling crippled. The constant realization of the injustice of the situation is enough to make us want to throw up our hands in despair and “give up”; whatever that means. We didn’t ask for this struggle, we didn’t want it and we certainly didn’t deserve it, yet here we are, asked to manage it and thrive.

Don’t let anyone tell you, you aren’t trying hard enough. If you have survived a narcissistic relationship with your thoughts in tact…YOU ARE TRYING HARD ENOUGH! Telling someone whose life was placed in a blender and pureed for an extended period of time that they aren’t trying hard enough to be positive or “get over it” is like restarting the blender. Yet again, it falls on our shoulders to take responsibility and set a boundary between ourselves and the person who stunts our growth by judging or pushing where we need listening and affirming, to say, “Ill do the healthy thing and cut off my only source of support”. While it’s smart and good for us, its just another difficult choice to deliver ourselves defeat and loss at a difficult time in our lives.

Recognizing the level of damage we’re still experiencing after narcissistic abuse isn’t heartening news. It’s quite easily, depressing and hopeless. But once you identify and feel the feelings in the aftermath of this abuse, it paves the way to overcome the damage and build the bridge back to a hopeful future, freeing ourselves of the affects of this abuse once and for all.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I cant believe the posters who are saying its none of her business! If he were just dating, thats one thing, but he moved her in. Of course the mom or dad should be told about who is going to be around the child. Thats just common sense and common courtesy!


+1!! Those PP's canno possibly have children.


I realize the parents of small children don't fully understand this whole process, but there are those of us who've been through talking to attorneys and judges about custody issues. A huge part of successful coparenting is accepting that you have very little say in how your ex parents the child. Outside of a history of abuse or real neglect, the judge does not want to hear it. Your opinion of their parenting skills is completely irrelevant.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I cant believe the posters who are saying its none of her business! If he were just dating, thats one thing, but he moved her in. Of course the mom or dad should be told about who is going to be around the child. Thats just common sense and common courtesy!


Those posters are nuts, but come on, you gotta admit that the OP come off like a complete loon. there is way more to this story.



Call me a loon all you want, but read this article, and its exactly where I'm at. I left the narrassitic asshole of a person but I do still have scars today. Trauma changes people, it changed me for sure. https://afternarcissisticabuse.wordpress.com/2015/03/09/narcissistic-abuse-leaves-us-feeling-damaged/

https://afternarcissisticabuse.wordpress.com



I'm sorry but the asshole hacking into my facebook, phone, email etc scared me aside from everything else. Just all you want, but abuse is abuse is abuse.


It could very well all be true what you are saying, but you come across a bit insane. Especially the rapid fire responses and subsequent social puppet ing you did through out.

You don't help your cause.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I cant believe the posters who are saying its none of her business! If he were just dating, thats one thing, but he moved her in. Of course the mom or dad should be told about who is going to be around the child. Thats just common sense and common courtesy!


+1!! Those PP's canno possibly have children.


I realize the parents of small children don't fully understand this whole process, but there are those of us who've been through talking to attorneys and judges about custody issues. A huge part of successful coparenting is accepting that you have very little say in how your ex parents the child. Outside of a history of abuse or real neglect, the judge does not want to hear it. Your opinion of their parenting skills is completely irrelevant.


This is what some posters clearly miss about the role of ex-parents.

I also agree that there is more to this story than OP is letting on. Her reaction is just not that of a rational person.

Anonymous
Read the article guys. Says much
Anonymous
Hey, troll scum: leave the woman alone. Your comments are NOT HELPFUL.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Hey, troll scum: leave the woman alone. Your comments are NOT HELPFUL.


When someone posts on a forum such as this one, don't expect everyone to support whatever position you are advocating.

And when one does not do so, it does not mean the person is trolling.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Hey, troll scum: leave the woman alone. Your comments are NOT HELPFUL.


Hey sock puppet OP: you are a lunatic and not so smart.
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