I'm sorry about the holocaust, but enough is enough already. The guy is too old.

[Anonymous]

When my Dutch grandmother was 13 years old she came home to find the SS had killed her parents. They raped her and her sister and put her in a work camp for the next 4 years.

She's still alive and I think would kill him herself.

Fuck him and fuck you too OP.

I'm sorry I saw this, because you've filled me with such vile hate this weekend knowing such vile people like you exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The elderly and the very young were among the first sent to the gas chambers or shot down. The Nazis didn't care about age - why should our justice system? He'll certainly get more justice than anyone he murdered.

I disagree. Our justice system is way to soft, with rights etc. we need to give him up where he will really get what's coming, long extended painful torture for the rest of his short life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:17:51 you are right on point. A 14 year old AA is a man but a 14 year old Caucasian is a child.
Many do not know this, when 16 year old Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped a 7 year old AA "woman" was also kidnapped. This 7 year old "woman" escaped while the whole country was crying about the poor 16 year old "baby".

WTF are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:17:51 you are right on point. A 14 year old AA is a man but a 14 year old Caucasian is a child.
Many do not know this, when 16 year old Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped a 7 year old AA "woman" was also kidnapped. This 7 year old "woman" escaped while the whole country was crying about the poor 16 year old "baby".

Link to the 7 year old AA woman, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While I am fine with this man being held responsible, I do wonder about kids who were/are brought up within a family that is Nazi / Taliban. where what they have been taught from birth, what they have been told is right, what they have seen modeled, the values, beliefs, propaganda they have been told all have shaped who they are. Often a child deviating from the beliefs of their families would be seen as completely unacceptable and have major consequences. These kids weren't/aren't being taught to think for themselves, question authority, defy their parents.

And the age thing is interesting. we see post after post on here about how a 14 yr old isn't old enough to stay home alone, take public transit etc.. but we then say that 14 is old enough to defy family and cultural beliefs and strike out on his own? People on here refer to early twenties as still teens, not able to financially support themselves, brains still developing, partying to excess, risk and experimentation and making stupid decisions is all just part of being young but a guy the same age should stand against orders to join an army and make decisions based on a conscious that has not been developed to believe that what he is doing is wrong? To defy orders of his superiors would likely have meant his death. Would it have been noble for him to do so - sure. But would many of the 22 yr olds here would go against friends, family, leaders, country, and authorities for a cause they had been brought up to believe in was wrong, and die for it? It wasn't they they were raised to be free thinkers.

Many believe that our soldiers going to war and killing others, including innocent families and children is wrong. Right or wrong are relative to the position you hold and how you came to hold that position.

If you read up on Nazi Germany, much of this indoctrination was from the government and through the schools. Children were encouraged to turn in their parents if they knew the parents felt, thought or acted differently than good Aryan families should.

[Anonymous]

This guy needs to go. I'm glad we finally caught up with him and hope he lives his final days having to face what he did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While I am fine with this man being held responsible, I do wonder about kids who were/are brought up within a family that is Nazi / Taliban. where what they have been taught from birth, what they have been told is right, what they have seen modeled, the values, beliefs, propaganda they have been told all have shaped who they are. Often a child deviating from the beliefs of their families would be seen as completely unacceptable and have major consequences. These kids weren't/aren't being taught to think for themselves, question authority, defy their parents.

And the age thing is interesting. we see post after post on here about how a 14 yr old isn't old enough to stay home alone, take public transit etc.. but we then say that 14 is old enough to defy family and cultural beliefs and strike out on his own? People on here refer to early twenties as still teens, not able to financially support themselves, brains still developing, partying to excess, risk and experimentation and making stupid decisions is all just part of being young but a guy the same age should stand against orders to join an army and make decisions based on a conscious that has not been developed to believe that what he is doing is wrong? To defy orders of his superiors would likely have meant his death. Would it have been noble for him to do so - sure. But would many of the 22 yr olds here would go against friends, family, leaders, country, and authorities for a cause they had been brought up to believe in was wrong, and die for it? It wasn't they they were raised to be free thinkers.

Many believe that our soldiers going to war and killing others, including innocent families and children is wrong. Right or wrong are relative to the position you hold and how you came to hold that position.

If you read up on Nazi Germany, much of this indoctrination was from the government and through the schools. Children were encouraged to turn in their parents if they knew the parents felt, thought or acted differently than good Aryan families should.

And when I say "good" I actually mean vile and inhumane.

I don't see how people can rationalize and excuse his behavior, no matter where he learned it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:let me get this straight, Someone throws up a horrible holocaust reference on DCUM aka tons of Jewish lawyers board and expects no fireworks? Something smells of troll.

I'm not Jewish and I'm not a lawyer. In fact, I'm Muslim and a homemaker, and I still know OP to be a dimwitted holocaust apologist. I've had the chance to visit a couple of concentration camps when we were in Poland, and it's unbelievably devastating. I don't understand how someone could be all "let bygones be bygones" when it comes to someone responsible for one of humanities biggest crimes in modern human history.

Really? The biggest crime in human history??

I think she said "one of", not the biggest crime in history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While I am fine with this man being held responsible, I do wonder about kids who were/are brought up within a family that is Nazi / Taliban. where what they have been taught from birth, what they have been told is right, what they have seen modeled, the values, beliefs, propaganda they have been told all have shaped who they are. Often a child deviating from the beliefs of their families would be seen as completely unacceptable and have major consequences. These kids weren't/aren't being taught to think for themselves, question authority, defy their parents.

And the age thing is interesting. we see post after post on here about how a 14 yr old isn't old enough to stay home alone, take public transit etc.. but we then say that 14 is old enough to defy family and cultural beliefs and strike out on his own? People on here refer to early twenties as still teens, not able to financially support themselves, brains still developing, partying to excess, risk and experimentation and making stupid decisions is all just part of being young but a guy the same age should stand against orders to join an army and make decisions based on a conscious that has not been developed to believe that what he is doing is wrong? To defy orders of his superiors would likely have meant his death. Would it have been noble for him to do so - sure. But would many of the 22 yr olds here would go against friends, family, leaders, country, and authorities for a cause they had been brought up to believe in was wrong, and die for it? It wasn't they they were raised to be free thinkers.

Many believe that our soldiers going to war and killing others, including innocent families and children is wrong. Right or wrong are relative to the position you hold and how you came to hold that position.

If you read up on Nazi Germany, much of this indoctrination was from the government and through the schools. Children were encouraged to turn in their parents if they knew the parents felt, thought or acted differently than good Aryan families should.

And when I say "good" I actually mean vile and inhumane.

I don't see how people can rationalize and excuse his behavior, no matter where he learned it.

I am not rationalizing or excusing his behavior. As I said I have no issue with him being held responsible. I just don't think his actions existed in a vacuum. Even the bystander effect - people don't do the right thing even when they have full control and aren't indoctrinated and brainwashed and pressured to conform. Think of a sea of Nazi uniforms and of the courage and strength it would take for one person within that army to speak up and say, "excuse me but I am questioning everything I have ever been taught and my conscious is saying I must shed this uniform and not participate"...knowing that would mean an immediate bullet to the head and likely dire consequences for that person's entire family.

People seem to think that they would have been that person, that they would have stood up to the wrong, and I don't know that in the situation they would. One is also assuming that most of the Nazi's actually believed that what they were doing was wrong. There is much death and killing of innocent people in the name of every war and protecting one's country that is deemed justifiable.

Understanding the power and fear of indoctrination and brainwashing and coercion and threat helps us understand people's actions. I think we build a better society and world by understanding the root of people's horrific actions, rather than simply calling for blood after they are committed.

[Anonymous]

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/24/us/7-year-old-philadelphia-girl-abducted-monday-breaks-free.html

That's the link to the little 7 year old AA "woman". You can also google her and find more information.

[Anonymous]

Consequences for your actions. Are they going to put him in jail and then prison after he's convicted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/24/us/7-year-old-philadelphia-girl-abducted-monday-breaks-free.html

That's the link to the little 7 year old AA "woman". You can also google her and find more information.

I don't think that exposure and that story is so much about Caucasian vs AA as it is about socioeconomic status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/24/us/7-year-old-philadelphia-girl-abducted-monday-breaks-free.html

That's the link to the little 7 year old AA "woman". You can also google her and find more information.

I don't think that exposure and that story is so much about Caucasian vs AA as it is about socioeconomic status.

In this case it is pretty much the same thing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My uncle is a holocaust survivor OP. Enough already???? Do you have any idea what he endured as a Jew? Do you think for a minute that he's not STILL traumatized by it? Do you think any of the survivors don't think about it almost daily? You may pass judgment on this, and you probably will you piece of crap, but the holocaust defines him. It was so heinous that he simply can't get beyond it. And part of why he actually goes into schools and talks about it to people is because of people like you. People like you, who want to act like time will just make it all go away. It doesn't. He is making it his life's mission, while he is still alive, to ensure that people like you have to hear about it. I have seen absolutely disgusting posts on this board but this one is horrid.

This is so very true.
Victims of these types of horrors relive them daily. They drag it around like a ball of lead making it impossible to ever be completely happy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the forum where everyone must agree: the HOLOCAUST WAS THE WORST CRIME IN HUMAN HISTORY.

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