I'm sorry about the holocaust, but enough is enough already. The guy is too old.

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Anonymous wrote:While I am fine with this man being held responsible, I do wonder about kids who were/are brought up within a family that is Nazi / Taliban. where what they have been taught from birth, what they have been told is right, what they have seen modeled, the values, beliefs, propaganda they have been told all have shaped who they are. Often a child deviating from the beliefs of their families would be seen as completely unacceptable and have major consequences. These kids weren't/aren't being taught to think for themselves, question authority, defy their parents.

And the age thing is interesting. we see post after post on here about how a 14 yr old isn't old enough to stay home alone, take public transit etc.. but we then say that 14 is old enough to defy family and cultural beliefs and strike out on his own? People on here refer to early twenties as still teens, not able to financially support themselves, brains still developing, partying to excess, risk and experimentation and making stupid decisions is all just part of being young but a guy the same age should stand against orders to join an army and make decisions based on a conscious that has not been developed to believe that what he is doing is wrong? To defy orders of his superiors would likely have meant his death. Would it have been noble for him to do so - sure. But would many of the 22 yr olds here would go against friends, family, leaders, country, and authorities for a cause they had been brought up to believe in was wrong, and die for it? It wasn't they they were raised to be free thinkers.

Many believe that our soldiers going to war and killing others, including innocent families and children is wrong. Right or wrong are relative to the position you hold and how you came to hold that position.

You make excellent rational points (which as I suspected, would be ignored by the DCUM crowd).

I also agree with those who say that the non-Jewish people who perished are largely forgotten which is a true tragedy.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While I am fine with this man being held responsible, I do wonder about kids who were/are brought up within a family that is Nazi / Taliban. where what they have been taught from birth, what they have been told is right, what they have seen modeled, the values, beliefs, propaganda they have been told all have shaped who they are. Often a child deviating from the beliefs of their families would be seen as completely unacceptable and have major consequences. These kids weren't/aren't being taught to think for themselves, question authority, defy their parents.

And the age thing is interesting. we see post after post on here about how a 14 yr old isn't old enough to stay home alone, take public transit etc.. but we then say that 14 is old enough to defy family and cultural beliefs and strike out on his own? People on here refer to early twenties as still teens, not able to financially support themselves, brains still developing, partying to excess, risk and experimentation and making stupid decisions is all just part of being young but a guy the same age should stand against orders to join an army and make decisions based on a conscious that has not been developed to believe that what he is doing is wrong? To defy orders of his superiors would likely have meant his death. Would it have been noble for him to do so - sure. But would many of the 22 yr olds here would go against friends, family, leaders, country, and authorities for a cause they had been brought up to believe in was wrong, and die for it? It wasn't they they were raised to be free thinkers.

Many believe that our soldiers going to war and killing others, including innocent families and children is wrong. Right or wrong are relative to the position you hold and how you came to hold that position.

You make excellent rational points (which as I suspected, would be ignored by the DCUM crowd).

I also agree with those who say that the non-Jewish people who perished are largely forgotten which is a true tragedy.

1) I've read DCUM for quite a while and have NEVER seen any post arguing that a 14 year old isn't old enough to stay home alone or ride the bus solo. Total red herring, but nice try.

2) Even 14 years olds - but particularly 22 year olds - know that killing people is wrong. Anti semitism was rampant in Germany before Hitler took power and he ignited the senitment. Many Germans were only too happy to assist with the Final Solution and rid their communities of Jews.

3) No one forgets about the other people killed by the Nazi's but the Final Solution - the mass rounding up and "extermination" of people - was entirely directed at Jews. When you deny and deflect from that, it seems dismissive.