I'm sorry about the holocaust, but enough is enough already. The guy is too old.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP: You need to take a trip over to some on the concentrations in Germany. When you come back home, if you don't want to kill this old guy with your own hands, get yourself some help.

This man had nothing to do with german concentration camps. He was involved in fighting the communists. Ukraine suffered from the massive collectivization and the holodomor. Germans were initially seen as liberators.

This is not true. The SS participated in killing Jewish civilians and other civilians in many places. The Germans killed a lot of civilians outside of the camps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen

There is evidence that this man's unit was present at some of these killings in the Ukraine and he was an officer. He is legally and morally liable.

If the killing was of other civilians, then how is it relevant to the holocaust?
Partisans and allies also killed other civilians

[Anonymous]

Just read an article about US troops abroad committing crimes like rape in Europe in WWII. I don't think they were put on trial and sentenced either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Poland is asking for him. He worked for the Ukrainian ss. But we do not know in what capacity or what ranking. Those units were involved in burning villages etc. Partisans also did that. If the victims were not jewish then this is not a holocaust issue.
The crimes of the partisans have not been brought to justice.

So, officers in the army that fought to keep the Nazis in power, and to spread their power across Europe, where they could have access to more innocent victims, were unrelated to the Holocaust? Is that your argument?

[Anonymous]

But if they did not become part of the Nazi movement, wouldn't they and their family members be put in jail and/or killed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/24/us/7-year-old-philadelphia-girl-abducted-monday-breaks-free.html

That's the link to the little 7 year old AA "woman". You can also google her and find more information.

I don't think that exposure and that story is so much about Caucasian vs AA as it is about socioeconomic status.

DP, that's total BS. When poor white children are abducted there are also Amber alerts. I can't think of one Amber alert for a missing Black child or Brown Latino child. I admit, I once saw an amber alert for a white Latino child, but again she was white. Unfortunately, as a result of this double standard, I readily admit I don't take a second look at the pictures any more.

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Anonymous wrote:This should be a German WWII war crimes issue. More than 40 million people perished in WWII. Although tragic and criminal horrific the murders of 5.8 million Jews was no more painful than the deaths 35 million other souls during the war.

It is regrettable that since the term "Holocaust" was created 30 years after the war ended that the suffering of the Jews has come to overshadow the suffering of the world community during the Facsist Era.

Why are the other 5.2 Holocaust victims virtually ignored in this thread? Why has the Rape of Nanking or the wholesale rape of German women old and young in May 1945, been ignored as if they deserved it.

The slaughter of the Jews in WWII by the Germans was awful beyond my ability to articulate the horror, however it is frustrating that so many people have forgotten the full scope and horrors of that war and that the full extend of the suffering of tens of millions of non- Jewish people as well.

Jewish people are also being manipulated by the Holocaust Saga. The Holocaust is a great unifying force in the American Jewish Community. It is portrayed as a uniquely Jewish tragedy, which of course it was not. This man commited crimes against himanity and for this he should be punished.

I agree, but I think the Jewish community has done a magnificent job in making sure that everyone remembers about the Jewish victims. To bring up the other 4-5 million people targeted for the ethnicity, religion, sexuality, etc. one would be accused of ignoring the Jewish plight and labeled anti-Semite. The word holocaust was around long before 1933, but it has now been co-opt by what happened to the Jewish people (only) of WWII. There was DCUm thread a year ago and somebody called what happened to those people in Rwanda a holocaust and many people objected saying that that word was now off limit to all other mass atrocities. I guess it has been patented like Komen's pink ribbons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What exactly is the age cutoff for not being responsible for one's actions, OP?

[Anonymous]

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I agree, but I think the Jewish community has done a magnificent job in making sure that everyone remembers about the Jewish victims. To bring up the other 4-5 million people targeted for the ethnicity, religion, sexuality, etc. one would be accused of ignoring the Jewish plight and labeled anti-Semite. The word holocaust was around long before 1933, but it has now been co-opt by what happened to the Jewish people (only) of WWII. There was DCUm thread a year ago and somebody called what happened to those people in Rwanda a holocaust and many people objected saying that that word was now off limit to all other mass atrocities. I guess it has been patented like Komen's pink ribbons.

No. It is all equally horrifying. You diminish it by your accusations.

We Americans tend to talk about The Civil War too, referring to our war between the states. Hardly the only civil war. The events of WWII are hardly the only holocaust, though in common speech, it is referred to as The Holocaust. That doesn't change the meaning of the word, and sadly, there are many places since where it can be applied. It's so easy to post anonymously complaining about Jews taking yet another thing they are not entitled to (role a survivors from the tragic history of Nazi Germany/ victims of holocaust). It is so much more difficult to be part of the active force of people who continually voice objection --or better, turn themselves to action-- when any group of people sees another as despisable and dispensable.

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Anonymous wrote:This should be a German WWII war crimes issue. More than 40 million people perished in WWII. Although tragic and criminal horrific the murders of 5.8 million Jews was no more painful than the deaths 35 million other souls during the war.

It is regrettable that since the term "Holocaust" was created 30 years after the war ended that the suffering of the Jews has come to overshadow the suffering of the world community during the Facsist Era.

Why are the other 5.2 Holocaust victims virtually ignored in this thread? Why has the Rape of Nanking or the wholesale rape of German women old and young in May 1945, been ignored as if they deserved it.

The slaughter of the Jews in WWII by the Germans was awful beyond my ability to articulate the horror, however it is frustrating that so many people have forgotten the full scope and horrors of that war and that the full extend of the suffering of tens of millions of non- Jewish people as well.

Jewish people are also being manipulated by the Holocaust Saga. The Holocaust is a great unifying force in the American Jewish Community. It is portrayed as a uniquely Jewish tragedy, which of course it was not. This man commited crimes against himanity and for this he should be punished.

I agree, but I think the Jewish community has done a magnificent job in making sure that everyone remembers about the Jewish victims. To bring up the other 4-5 million people targeted for the ethnicity, religion, sexuality, etc. one would be accused of ignoring the Jewish plight and labeled anti-Semite. The word holocaust was around long before 1933, but it has now been co-opt by what happened to the Jewish people (only) of WWII. There was DCUm thread a year ago and somebody called what happened to those people in Rwanda a holocaust and many people objected saying that that word was now off limit to all other mass atrocities. I guess it has been patented like Komen's pink ribbons.

Meh - I don't think that's true. When I learned about the Holocaust in Hebrew School, we always learned about the 6 million Jews and the 5 million other people who were also systemically exterminated. Same thing in public school. I don't know anyone who thinks that only the Jews were targeted.

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Anonymous wrote:Poland is asking for him. He worked for the Ukrainian ss. But we do not know in what capacity or what ranking. Those units were involved in burning villages etc. Partisans also did that. If the victims were not jewish then this is not a holocaust issue.
The crimes of the partisans have not been brought to justice.

So, officers in the army that fought to keep the Nazis in power, and to spread their power across Europe, where they could have access to more innocent victims, were unrelated to the Holocaust? Is that your argument?

If the victims were not jewish, then it is not holocaust. Innocent died every day.

Even the slave workers for Ford factory in Germany were part of the puzzle keeping the Nazis in power, as were the bankers in Switzerland

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP: You need to take a trip over to some on the concentrations in Germany. When you come back home, if you don't want to kill this old guy with your own hands, get yourself some help.

This man had nothing to do with german concentration camps. He was involved in fighting the communists. Ukraine suffered from the massive collectivization and the holodomor. Germans were initially seen as liberators.

This is not true. The SS participated in killing Jewish civilians and other civilians in many places. The Germans killed a lot of civilians outside of the camps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen

There is evidence that this man's unit was present at some of these killings in the Ukraine and he was an officer. He is legally and morally liable.

If the killing was of other civilians, then how is it relevant to the holocaust?
Partisans and allies also killed other civilians

1. He wasn't a civilian. He was an officer. These were systematic war crimes by the military. The SS would come into an area and select the targeted groups. They moved them to locations outside of town and then slaughtered them, usually pushing their bodies into mass graves. The SS moved from a "task-force" model to a concentration camp model because the camps were more efficient.

2. The US killed a lot of civilians during the fire-bombing of Dresden, too. That doesn't excuse that man's crimes.

[Anonymous]

I can't imagine ever posting that subject line. Even if I was a trolling. Seriously.

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I looked this up and it looks like he was a lieutenant. What year was he involved in the movement?
If it was the time when the locals thought they could get German help to rid them of Bolsheviks then it is different. Are his victims jewish? Or did the partisans claim that Germans did some of the dirty work that they did?

This was a terrible time to live through, I would like to know more.

What are war crimes? Can anybody be tried for them? Or just the loosers

[Anonymous]

Nazi= jail. He was on the very wrong side of history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:94 year old man in MN discovered was supposedly a Nazi SS officer. Now everyone (including the NYT) is screaming for his deportation and trial. Enough is enough. The man is 94 years old. Leave him be.

If this were Jeffrey Dahmer and he'd killed and eaten your dad or son, would you want justice if he was caught at 94 or would you says "let bygones be bygones"?