Med student allegedly inappropriate with female patient and commits suicide after disciplinary action

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

That's not what it says. He needed to attend his clinical rotation every day, they told him to stop going, during this time.

That’s exactly what it says. He couldn’t agent clinical rotations until the meeting, which was in 18 days. At the meeting he was expected to demonstrate remorse and present a plan to keep this from happening again.

This is what it says.
"Duggal was to present to the Committee of Student Grading and Promotion (GPC) in 18 days and couldn’t attend clinical rotations until then. As a third-year student, almost every day required clinical rotations."

How do you propose he "make this up" after the fact? Perhaps he could have just had monitored rotations so that he wasn't alone with a patient. If a student kills themselves over this perhaps there might be a better way? Do they really want blood on their hands?

He can make them up in whatever way exists for any other student who is forced to miss clinical rotations due to illness, incapacitation, or familial obligations. Surely you understand that there is a system in place to deal with situations where students miss rotations, right?

Explain it in full detail. How one can miss that much and graduate on time or not have to repeat it.

https://www.elpaso.ttuhsc.edu/som/ome/CEPC/_documents/Common_clerkship_policies_AY_2022-2023_Clean_for_Website-April_2022.pdf

See pages 2-3. There's literally a written policy for dealing with extended absences from clinical rotations.

The consequences are severe for missing that much time. He would be effed.

If a student is absent more than 6 days per block or 12 days during third year (including excused
absences), it will be reviewed by the associate dean for student affairs. Excessive absences could be a
violation of the Student Code of Conduct and may be forwarded to the Grading and Promotions
Committee.

Your contention was that his career was over and that he would be unable to graduate. I showed you a policy from his university that explains exactly how students who are forced to miss time during clinical rotations can still graduate and have a career.

You keep moving the goal posts because you're wrong and you know it.

You have no idea what you're talking about. It will delay the residency application and just a cascade of problems.

Not the same as his career being over.

It basically is though. This was career ending and he knew it and killed himself.

He was just starting his third year. Residency applications are more than a year away.

When do you think he will be making up this rotation?

READ THE POLICY LINKED ABOVE IT ANSWERS THIS QUESTION

I did. We will have to agree to disagree that this was no big thang.

No one ever said that. I said it wasn’t career ending.

You said that, but that doesn't make it true.

Why even have a makeup policy? If missing 18 days at the beginning of the third year makes it impossible for a student to graduate or get a job, why not just immediately expel any student who misses that much time?

Maybe they would. Or maybe they could have just expedited the case and reviewed it in 2 days instead of dragging it out unnecessarily.

You have no idea why the meeting was scheduled for 18 days later. You’re in no position to say it was unnecessary.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

That's not what it says. He needed to attend his clinical rotation every day, they told him to stop going, during this time.

That’s exactly what it says. He couldn’t agent clinical rotations until the meeting, which was in 18 days. At the meeting he was expected to demonstrate remorse and present a plan to keep this from happening again.

This is what it says.
"Duggal was to present to the Committee of Student Grading and Promotion (GPC) in 18 days and couldn’t attend clinical rotations until then. As a third-year student, almost every day required clinical rotations."

How do you propose he "make this up" after the fact? Perhaps he could have just had monitored rotations so that he wasn't alone with a patient. If a student kills themselves over this perhaps there might be a better way? Do they really want blood on their hands?

He can make them up in whatever way exists for any other student who is forced to miss clinical rotations due to illness, incapacitation, or familial obligations. Surely you understand that there is a system in place to deal with situations where students miss rotations, right?

Explain it in full detail. How one can miss that much and graduate on time or not have to repeat it.

https://www.elpaso.ttuhsc.edu/som/ome/CEPC/_documents/Common_clerkship_policies_AY_2022-2023_Clean_for_Website-April_2022.pdf

See pages 2-3. There's literally a written policy for dealing with extended absences from clinical rotations.

The consequences are severe for missing that much time. He would be effed.

If a student is absent more than 6 days per block or 12 days during third year (including excused
absences), it will be reviewed by the associate dean for student affairs. Excessive absences could be a
violation of the Student Code of Conduct and may be forwarded to the Grading and Promotions
Committee.

Your contention was that his career was over and that he would be unable to graduate. I showed you a policy from his university that explains exactly how students who are forced to miss time during clinical rotations can still graduate and have a career.

You keep moving the goal posts because you're wrong and you know it.

You have no idea what you're talking about. It will delay the residency application and just a cascade of problems.

Not the same as his career being over.

It basically is though. This was career ending and he knew it and killed himself.

He was just starting his third year. Residency applications are more than a year away.

When do you think he will be making up this rotation?

READ THE POLICY LINKED ABOVE IT ANSWERS THIS QUESTION

I did. We will have to agree to disagree that this was no big thang.

No one ever said that. I said it wasn’t career ending.

You said that, but that doesn't make it true.

Why even have a makeup policy? If missing 18 days at the beginning of the third year makes it impossible for a student to graduate or get a job, why not just immediately expel any student who misses that much time?

Maybe they would. Or maybe they could have just expedited the case and reviewed it in 2 days instead of dragging it out unnecessarily.

You have no idea why the meeting was scheduled for 18 days later. You’re in no position to say it was unnecessary.

Sounds like bureaucratic BS. They can and should be able to move quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

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Anonymous wrote:Classic example of a child having been raised to adulthood without ever having learned to accept consequences for behavior. The parents failed this child.

The parents using a photo of him in a lab coat for the obit speaks volumes.

His obituary identifies him as "Dr."

My gosh, talk about status-obsessed strivers.

[Anonymous]

Could the 18 day delay suggest he had other prior issues and reprimands in his file his parents would of course not be privy to and the college doesn't have to publicly disclose?

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

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Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

It would be really nice if poorer talented smart students could actually have a chance of going to med school.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

That's not what it says. He needed to attend his clinical rotation every day, they told him to stop going, during this time.

That’s exactly what it says. He couldn’t agent clinical rotations until the meeting, which was in 18 days. At the meeting he was expected to demonstrate remorse and present a plan to keep this from happening again.

This is what it says.
"Duggal was to present to the Committee of Student Grading and Promotion (GPC) in 18 days and couldn’t attend clinical rotations until then. As a third-year student, almost every day required clinical rotations."

How do you propose he "make this up" after the fact? Perhaps he could have just had monitored rotations so that he wasn't alone with a patient. If a student kills themselves over this perhaps there might be a better way? Do they really want blood on their hands?

He can make them up in whatever way exists for any other student who is forced to miss clinical rotations due to illness, incapacitation, or familial obligations. Surely you understand that there is a system in place to deal with situations where students miss rotations, right?

Explain it in full detail. How one can miss that much and graduate on time or not have to repeat it.

https://www.elpaso.ttuhsc.edu/som/ome/CEPC/_documents/Common_clerkship_policies_AY_2022-2023_Clean_for_Website-April_2022.pdf

See pages 2-3. There's literally a written policy for dealing with extended absences from clinical rotations.

The consequences are severe for missing that much time. He would be effed.

If a student is absent more than 6 days per block or 12 days during third year (including excused
absences), it will be reviewed by the associate dean for student affairs. Excessive absences could be a
violation of the Student Code of Conduct and may be forwarded to the Grading and Promotions
Committee.

Your contention was that his career was over and that he would be unable to graduate. I showed you a policy from his university that explains exactly how students who are forced to miss time during clinical rotations can still graduate and have a career.

You keep moving the goal posts because you're wrong and you know it.

You have no idea what you're talking about. It will delay the residency application and just a cascade of problems.

Not the same as his career being over.

It basically is though. This was career ending and he knew it and killed himself.

He was just starting his third year. Residency applications are more than a year away.

When do you think he will be making up this rotation?

READ THE POLICY LINKED ABOVE IT ANSWERS THIS QUESTION

I did. We will have to agree to disagree that this was no big thang.

No one ever said that. I said it wasn’t career ending.

You said that, but that doesn't make it true.

Why even have a makeup policy? If missing 18 days at the beginning of the third year makes it impossible for a student to graduate or get a job, why not just immediately expel any student who misses that much time?

Maybe they would. Or maybe they could have just expedited the case and reviewed it in 2 days instead of dragging it out unnecessarily.

You have no idea why the meeting was scheduled for 18 days later. You’re in no position to say it was unnecessary.

Sounds like bureaucratic BS. They can and should be able to move quickly.

I assume everyone involved is on extremely tight schedules and that meeting date is scheduled long in advance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

Critical thinking. "Nice abs and fitness freak" = skinny. Immediately followed her on instagram. I assume she's a 23 to 25 year old attractive nurse.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

[Anonymous]

RE: instagram

It reads like he attempted to follow her private account. I believe instagram lets you add a brief note to a follow request (ex. "Hey, it's so and so, we met at ___")? She would have received a notification on her phone of his request and any note with it. While the request was still pending, he allegedly removed the request and then blocked her, which deleted the request and attached note?

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Anonymous wrote:RE: instagram

It reads like he attempted to follow her private account. I believe instagram lets you add a brief note to a follow request (ex. "Hey, it's so and so, we met at ___")? She would have received a notification on her phone of his request and any note with it. While the request was still pending, he allegedly removed the request and then blocked her, which deleted the request and attached note?

No, that's LinkedIn.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.

They're Brahmins. They think their son can do no wrong. On top of it, they're from a culture that treats women like dogs. Unsurprising.

Bingo. As if some hot nurse just set out to ruin their son after a routine STD examination.

How do you know what she looks like?

I mean, we don't know if she was hot, but the framing here is gonna be that she was some western whore tempting their son with her instagram pics of spring break and sorority rush.

That's really neither here nor there. The parents are suing TT for handling this all badly. from the very late night email letting him know this was an issue, at time when the crisis center was closed. The long delay for the "apology" and earnest promise to never to this again, the lack of due process, presumption of guilt, etc. Whether or not the patient was a 6 or a 10 is irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

That's not what it says. He needed to attend his clinical rotation every day, they told him to stop going, during this time.

That’s exactly what it says. He couldn’t agent clinical rotations until the meeting, which was in 18 days. At the meeting he was expected to demonstrate remorse and present a plan to keep this from happening again.

This is what it says.
"Duggal was to present to the Committee of Student Grading and Promotion (GPC) in 18 days and couldn’t attend clinical rotations until then. As a third-year student, almost every day required clinical rotations."

How do you propose he "make this up" after the fact? Perhaps he could have just had monitored rotations so that he wasn't alone with a patient. If a student kills themselves over this perhaps there might be a better way? Do they really want blood on their hands?

He can make them up in whatever way exists for any other student who is forced to miss clinical rotations due to illness, incapacitation, or familial obligations. Surely you understand that there is a system in place to deal with situations where students miss rotations, right?

Explain it in full detail. How one can miss that much and graduate on time or not have to repeat it.

https://www.elpaso.ttuhsc.edu/som/ome/CEPC/_documents/Common_clerkship_policies_AY_2022-2023_Clean_for_Website-April_2022.pdf

See pages 2-3. There's literally a written policy for dealing with extended absences from clinical rotations.

The consequences are severe for missing that much time. He would be effed.

If a student is absent more than 6 days per block or 12 days during third year (including excused
absences), it will be reviewed by the associate dean for student affairs. Excessive absences could be a
violation of the Student Code of Conduct and may be forwarded to the Grading and Promotions
Committee.

Your contention was that his career was over and that he would be unable to graduate. I showed you a policy from his university that explains exactly how students who are forced to miss time during clinical rotations can still graduate and have a career.

You keep moving the goal posts because you're wrong and you know it.

You have no idea what you're talking about. It will delay the residency application and just a cascade of problems.

Not the same as his career being over.

It basically is though. This was career ending and he knew it and killed himself.

He was just starting his third year. Residency applications are more than a year away.

When do you think he will be making up this rotation?

READ THE POLICY LINKED ABOVE IT ANSWERS THIS QUESTION

I did. We will have to agree to disagree that this was no big thang.

No one ever said that. I said it wasn’t career ending.

You said that, but that doesn't make it true.

Why even have a makeup policy? If missing 18 days at the beginning of the third year makes it impossible for a student to graduate or get a job, why not just immediately expel any student who misses that much time?

Maybe they would. Or maybe they could have just expedited the case and reviewed it in 2 days instead of dragging it out unnecessarily.

You have no idea why the meeting was scheduled for 18 days later. You’re in no position to say it was unnecessary.

Sounds like bureaucratic BS. They can and should be able to move quickly.

I assume everyone involved is on extremely tight schedules and that meeting date is scheduled long in advance.

That’s unacceptable! I demand that every busy professional on that panel needs to drop everything immediately to attend to the pressing matter of this one guy and his inappropriate behavior.
- this guy’s parents, probably