DOJ says Yale medical school discriminated against Asian, White applicants

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

I agree. As an Indian, I have preferred to only be around other Indians. I live in Herndon, my doctor is Indian, my dentist is Indian, I shop at Patel groceries, there are fantastic Indian restaurants around me. My kids goes to a school with many other Indian kids. I do believe that this ensures the best outcomes health and otherwise for me and my family.

I hope this will not be considered insular.

Sounds like you know it’s wrong but are trying to just call it insular. The correct term is racist.

As a person of Asian background, I'd call this racist, unless it was done due to a language barrier or dietary reasons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired. Nothing productive has come out of pages of discussion. Nothing is holding back Asian American students: at most top schools they’re 20-30-% of the student body and now at some schools it’s as high as nearly 50%. Black students are entirely underrepresented at the top. We can bicker about the reasons, but that is a fact. These two groups don’t need to be in conversation, because they are not at all connected.

For those looking at med school, don’t take your doctor advice from Dcum. Physicians don’t end their training at med school, and while the white and Asian moms of dcum don’t care about black women dying in hospitals due to patient neglect, some med schools think that’s a worthwhile issue and don’t shrug their shoulders to bias in health. It’s easy to be an unsympathetic a$$hole when you don’t have real issues but need to tell everyone else they’re too lazy or not hardworking enough.

Asian American students are being held back. There is evidence to support that. You have to hold all students to the same admission criteria. If some races do better passing the criteria than others, that just speaks to how hard the individual students have worked.


Stop trying to pretend lower standards for some races is acceptable. Everyone should meet the same high standards.

I agree that everyone should meet the same high standards for medicine. But I also find some relevance in ensuring diversity if merits are equal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

Doctor patient relationship is fairly intimate. I'm not sure all doctors can meet the same qualifications. If I'm having menstrual issues, or breast issues or pregnancy issues or other female issues and I kind of personally like to see female doctor. I can imagine there could be a similar comfort level with a doctor of the same race as the patient.

Even if I don't feel that way, I could certainly imagine there could be patients that do. This is an interesting issue. Have there been studies done about it?

Yes, many. Generally they find that white patients get similar care from doctors of all races, while black patients get better care from black doctors than white doctors

Nobody has cited a single actual study on this thread. I'm sure they exist, it's just that they tend to be embarrassingly low-quality and have obvious flaws.

Can't help you with the study, but I can imagine that the quality of care isn't necessarily from the doctor end of the communication. It could be from the patient end. Some patients might be more comfortable speaking to a doctor of their own race or common native language, and therefore, the care improves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We all know many colleges discriminate against Asians and whites. It is a liberal trend that current administration tries to revert. Not because they care about law, or fairness, but because they care about predominantly white maga base. What maga doesn't get is that with a pure merit based adminission, top schools like Yale or Harvard will be 80%+ Asian. And it is not because Asian kids are smarter but because they work harder being pushed most of the times by their families. That's the reality like it or not.

Why would maga care if a lot of doctors are Asian? Does maga have respect for doctors of any race?

It's easier to prove discrimination against Asians

[Anonymous]

I think not only medical school....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired. Nothing productive has come out of pages of discussion. Nothing is holding back Asian American students: at most top schools they’re 20-30-% of the student body and now at some schools it’s as high as nearly 50%. Black students are entirely underrepresented at the top. We can bicker about the reasons, but that is a fact. These two groups don’t need to be in conversation, because they are not at all connected.

For those looking at med school, don’t take your doctor advice from Dcum. Physicians don’t end their training at med school, and while the white and Asian moms of dcum don’t care about black women dying in hospitals due to patient neglect, some med schools think that’s a worthwhile issue and don’t shrug their shoulders to bias in health. It’s easy to be an unsympathetic a$$hole when you don’t have real issues but need to tell everyone else they’re too lazy or not hardworking enough.

Asian American students are being held back. There is evidence to support that. You have to hold all students to the same admission criteria. If some races do better passing the criteria than others, that just speaks to how hard the individual students have worked.


Stop trying to pretend lower standards for some races is acceptable. Everyone should meet the same high standards.

I agree that everyone should meet the same high standards for medicine. But I also find some relevance in ensuring diversity if merits are equal.

I agree 100% Once the merit is equal, then sure ensure diversity. I do have a problem with lowering the bar to ensure diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired. Nothing productive has come out of pages of discussion. Nothing is holding back Asian American students: at most top schools they’re 20-30-% of the student body and now at some schools it’s as high as nearly 50%. Black students are entirely underrepresented at the top. We can bicker about the reasons, but that is a fact. These two groups don’t need to be in conversation, because they are not at all connected.

For those looking at med school, don’t take your doctor advice from Dcum. Physicians don’t end their training at med school, and while the white and Asian moms of dcum don’t care about black women dying in hospitals due to patient neglect, some med schools think that’s a worthwhile issue and don’t shrug their shoulders to bias in health. It’s easy to be an unsympathetic a$$hole when you don’t have real issues but need to tell everyone else they’re too lazy or not hardworking enough.

Asian American students are being held back. There is evidence to support that. You have to hold all students to the same admission criteria. If some races do better passing the criteria than others, that just speaks to how hard the individual students have worked.


Stop trying to pretend lower standards for some races is acceptable. Everyone should meet the same high standards.

I agree that everyone should meet the same high standards for medicine. But I also find some relevance in ensuring diversity if merits are equal.

They’re not, not even close. Thus the racist nature of forceful seeking of racial “diversity “.

[Anonymous]

Nobody wants unqualified doctors or unqualified pilots.

[Anonymous]

Right, like they don’t cheat to get in at all.

Princeton (1/3 Asian now) announced they’re introducing proctoring back into exams due to widespread cheating.

In UC Berkeley (40% Asian) the number of students who require extra time on tests has nearly quintupled over past 15 years.

Let’s see what school wants to have a grind culture with cut throat competition and cheating? That’s right, none of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

That's what USMLE Step 1, 2, and 3 are for.

Nope, those are just minimum competencies. You want students to do much better than just passing those.

All no you have no idea what you are talking about.

USMLE exams are just minimum competencies required for getting licensure and also exam scores can be used in residency/fellowship applications. Passing these is a low bar and we want students to do much better than just pass. Passing should not be hard and students need to be held to higher standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Right, like they don’t cheat to get in at all.

Princeton (1/3 Asian now) announced they’re introducing proctoring back into exams due to widespread cheating.

In UC Berkeley (40% Asian) the number of students who require extra time on tests has nearly quintupled over past 15 years.

Let’s see what school wants to have a grind culture with cut throat competition and cheating? That’s right, none of them.

Why are the terms within the parentheses "Asian"? Why not "Hispanic" or "Black" or "Human"? Are you insinuating something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Right, like they don’t cheat to get in at all.

Princeton (1/3 Asian now) announced they’re introducing proctoring back into exams due to widespread cheating.

In UC Berkeley (40% Asian) the number of students who require extra time on tests has nearly quintupled over past 15 years.

Let’s see what school wants to have a grind culture with cut throat competition and cheating? That’s right, none of them.

Where are you getting these numbers? Because if you are just looking at how many students register with the disability office, it's not representative of what is denied/accepted and what the specific requests are for.

Also, I wouldn't automatically assume any kid who has extra time is playing the system. My nephew is a high performing student who truly struggled just to keep organized, and he needed a little help while executive functioning skills are worked on. You would never guess it looking or talking to him. Until you work with kids in therapy and on needed meds, it's easy to make the assumptions rather than understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right, like they don’t cheat to get in at all.

Princeton (1/3 Asian now) announced they’re introducing proctoring back into exams due to widespread cheating.

In UC Berkeley (40% Asian) the number of students who require extra time on tests has nearly quintupled over past 15 years.

Let’s see what school wants to have a grind culture with cut throat competition and cheating? That’s right, none of them.

Why are the terms within the parentheses "Asian"? Why not "Hispanic" or "Black" or "Human"? Are you insinuating something?

You're right, the poster seems to be out to target Asians. There appears to be someone on here who is quite racist and has some major Asian hate.

[Anonymous]

Princeton proctoring story says a lot about the honesty / character of its student body. Of course not everyone is a cheater but enough of them are.

I think what bugs me the most is when smart and talented people cheat and game systems. Sure, it takes a certain kind of smarts to figure out how to cheat at poker... but they ruin the game for everyone else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Princeton proctoring story says a lot about the honesty / character of its student body. Of course not everyone is a cheater but enough of them are.

I think what bugs me the most is when smart and talented people cheat and game systems. Sure, it takes a certain kind of smarts to figure out how to cheat at poker... but they ruin the game for everyone else

I try to look at the class half full. If 30% are cheating, there is still the majority of 70% who don't. Kudos to these kids b/c it is probably tempting to do so with AI and the phone at the tip of our fingers. Look on the bright side and stay positive, and not damn the entire school for the minority's choice. It's unfair to the students who do work hard and have to deal with the tainted reputation.