DOJ says Yale medical school discriminated against Asian, White applicants

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

That's what USMLE Step 1, 2, and 3 are for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

That's what USMLE Step 1, 2, and 3 are for.

Nope, those are just minimum competencies. You want students to do much better than just passing those.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Are you saying White patients see White doctors? Black patients see Black doctors? Hispanic patients see Hispanic doctors?

Since race-matched pairings are better, maybe we need legislation to enforce this?

All this sounds like progress to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We all know many colleges discriminate against Asians and whites. It is a liberal trend that current administration tries to revert. Not because they care about law, or fairness, but because they care about predominantly white maga base. What maga doesn't get is that with a pure merit based adminission, top schools like Yale or Harvard will be 80%+ Asian. And it is not because Asian kids are smarter but because they work harder being pushed most of the times by their families. That's the reality like it or not.

The people running the show know this, it's part of the plan to increase fear and resentment of Asians, including Asian Americans, to potentially lead the way to an ethnostate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

Doctor patient relationship is fairly intimate. I'm not sure all doctors can meet the same qualifications. If I'm having menstrual issues, or breast issues or pregnancy issues or other female issues and I kind of personally like to see female doctor. I can imagine there could be a similar comfort level with a doctor of the same race as the patient.

Even if I don't feel that way, I could certainly imagine there could be patients that do. This is an interesting issue. Have there been studies done about it?

Yes, many. Generally they find that white patients get similar care from doctors of all races, while black patients get better care from black doctors than white doctors

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

Doctor patient relationship is fairly intimate. I'm not sure all doctors can meet the same qualifications. If I'm having menstrual issues, or breast issues or pregnancy issues or other female issues and I kind of personally like to see female doctor. I can imagine there could be a similar comfort level with a doctor of the same race as the patient.

Even if I don't feel that way, I could certainly imagine there could be patients that do. This is an interesting issue. Have there been studies done about it?

Yes, many. Generally they find that white patients get similar care from doctors of all races, while black patients get better care from black doctors than white doctors

That is no longer true. Historical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

That's what USMLE Step 1, 2, and 3 are for.

Nope, those are just minimum competencies. You want students to do much better than just passing those.

All no you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

I agree. As an Indian, I have preferred to only be around other Indians. I live in Herndon, my doctor is Indian, my dentist is Indian, I shop at Patel groceries, there are fantastic Indian restaurants around me. My kids goes to a school with many other Indian kids. I do believe that this ensures the best outcomes health and otherwise for me and my family.

I hope this will not be considered insular.

This is insular. Obviously.

[Anonymous]

So let me get this straight. People on here are okay with doctors being all from the same cultural background??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. People on here are okay with doctors being all from the same cultural background??

I don't care. If most of them are from the same cultural background, so be it. If they are from a variety of background, so be it. Just like I don't care what races my nurses are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

I agree. As an Indian, I have preferred to only be around other Indians. I live in Herndon, my doctor is Indian, my dentist is Indian, I shop at Patel groceries, there are fantastic Indian restaurants around me. My kids goes to a school with many other Indian kids. I do believe that this ensures the best outcomes health and otherwise for me and my family.

I hope this will not be considered insular.

Sounds like you know it’s wrong but are trying to just call it insular. The correct term is racist.

Proving a point here through hyperbole. If the above feels wrong, why is it ok to say "Black people get better health outcomes when they see Black doctors"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m so tired. Nothing productive has come out of pages of discussion. Nothing is holding back Asian American students: at most top schools they’re 20-30-% of the student body and now at some schools it’s as high as nearly 50%. Black students are entirely underrepresented at the top. We can bicker about the reasons, but that is a fact. These two groups don’t need to be in conversation, because they are not at all connected.

For those looking at med school, don’t take your doctor advice from Dcum. Physicians don’t end their training at med school, and while the white and Asian moms of dcum don’t care about black women dying in hospitals due to patient neglect, some med schools think that’s a worthwhile issue and don’t shrug their shoulders to bias in health. It’s easy to be an unsympathetic a$$hole when you don’t have real issues but need to tell everyone else they’re too lazy or not hardworking enough.

It’s an anti-merit and racist word. Why would anything related to merit be determined by race representation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

I agree. As an Indian, I have preferred to only be around other Indians. I live in Herndon, my doctor is Indian, my dentist is Indian, I shop at Patel groceries, there are fantastic Indian restaurants around me. My kids goes to a school with many other Indian kids. I do believe that this ensures the best outcomes health and otherwise for me and my family.

I hope this will not be considered insular.

Sounds like you know it’s wrong but are trying to just call it insular. The correct term is racist.

Proving a point here through hyperbole. If the above feels wrong, why is it ok to say "Black people get better health outcomes when they see Black doctors"

If it's true (and there are studies that indicate that it is) why would it be wrong to say it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. People on here are okay with doctors being all from the same cultural background??

YES!!!! As long as they were the brightest in the class and the most competent - irrespective of what race they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

Doctor patient relationship is fairly intimate. I'm not sure all doctors can meet the same qualifications. If I'm having menstrual issues, or breast issues or pregnancy issues or other female issues and I kind of personally like to see female doctor. I can imagine there could be a similar comfort level with a doctor of the same race as the patient.

Even if I don't feel that way, I could certainly imagine there could be patients that do. This is an interesting issue. Have there been studies done about it?

Yes, many. Generally they find that white patients get similar care from doctors of all races, while black patients get better care from black doctors than white doctors

Nobody has cited a single actual study on this thread. I'm sure they exist, it's just that they tend to be embarrassingly low-quality and have obvious flaws.