DOJ says Yale medical school discriminated against Asian, White applicants

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Anonymous wrote:HYP wants the brightest Whites, Asians, Blacks, Latinos, Natives, etc. So, no, Cindy is not getting in just because she has a 1550 and a 4.0 because half the other Asian applicants are more impressive than that. Black/Latino/Native kids have historically been disadvantaged more than other races, so obviously they’re not all churning out 1580s left and right.

How do know who is the brightest? I thought it was just a sampling of the "qualified" because if you're qualified then it doesn't matter who is the best above that threshold. It can't be both.

Elite schools want people. Not robots who pump and grind 24/7 without a purpose. The essays act as the differentiators. You can be academically qualified with certain numbers but that doesn’t equal qualified personality wise.

Harvard is one of the most liberal institutions in the US. To say that the whole admissions office must be racist against Asians and deny that Asians routinely score low on personality traits is massive cope.

SCOTUS ruling in Harvard lawsuits says exactly the opposite. So who do we believe? The SCOTUS or a liberal racist liar like you?

The SFFA case doesn’t say what you think that it does. Harvard won the discrimination portion of the case. The win was held up on appeal and not argued in front of the of the Supreme Court.

No one cares about the sophistic distinction you're trying to make, even if it might have some slim basis. Harvard's (and everyone else's) admissions practices were found to be illegal under the 1964 civil rights act. That overshadows anything else.

You really need to learn before hitting a keyboard. It is a huge distinction to anyone with a brain because they were not discriminating against Asians which is what people are screaming any time that admissions is based on something other than a test.

DP. Stop repeating the lies. If there was really no discrimination, the main stream media controlled by liberals would have had a field day.

You are too stupid to be part of this conversation. Why part of ‘they won’ are you struggling with?

Harvard did not win. It lost at the Supreme Court.
Repeating “they won” after the final ruling is not an argument. It is denial.

You desperately want to believe that Harvard was found guilty of discrimination against Asians but it isn’t what happened, the opposite happened. They were found not to have deliberately discriminated against Asians.

Discrimination by Harvard was not part of the argument at the Supreme Court in SFFA. The entire argument was about whether or not using race as part of the admissions criteria in college admissions violated the 14th amendment.

The effect of the ruling is that race cannot be used as part of the admissions rubric at any college. This is a far cry from “Harvard discriminated against Asians.”

You might want to stay away from legal issues going forward.

Harvard was found guilty of racial discrimination. Stop lying and repeating the lies.

The copium, and stupidity runs strong in you.

It’s obvious who is stupid and stubborn. It’s you.

One of us is a T14 graduate and the other is…..you. Why are you so desperate to believe that Harvard discriminated against Asians? The end result was what SFFA wanted even if it doesn’t give you what you so badly want to hear. Even the Wikipedia on the case is detailed enough to explain things to you if you actually take the time to read it.

A T14 graduate who can’t stop lying. I’ve seen too many of those.

NP. When you lose the argument, just resort to accusing the other person of lying. Classic gaslighting technique.

What argument did I lose? Harvard lost the racial discrimination lawsuit. It was a fact.

Yes, because SCOTUS has a conservative majority that votes in the interests of powerful white men who wrongly believe they’re being discriminated against. Trust me, they didn’t rule against Harvard to benefit Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:If we, as a society, prevent universities from admitting individual students on the basis of their skin color, then the racist have already won.

Aren’t you a racist by promoting admission by skin color?

Reread their post, you’re in agreement, but both of you are just blatantly ignoring noting the health outcomes of those with darker skin tone. It’s clear that discrimination is killing people in this country, but that isn’t as punchy as tHE leFt aRe ThE rEaL rACiSTs

What health outcomes?

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Anonymous wrote:If we, as a society, prevent universities from admitting individual students on the basis of their skin color, then the racist have already won.

Aren’t you a racist by promoting admission by skin color?

Reread their post, you’re in agreement, but both of you are just blatantly ignoring noting the health outcomes of those with darker skin tone. It’s clear that discrimination is killing people in this country, but that isn’t as punchy as tHE leFt aRe ThE rEaL rACiSTs

I hope you realize that sending less qualified doctors to serve disadvantaged populations is moving in the wrong direction. If you sincerely believe that people are better served by doctors from their own race, even when any objective measure suggests that these doctors may be less qualified, then — you certainly may be right — but I hope you recognize where the burden of proof lies.

As I see it we are gambling peoples lives on some pretty tenuous facts.

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Anonymous wrote:HYP wants the brightest Whites, Asians, Blacks, Latinos, Natives, etc. So, no, Cindy is not getting in just because she has a 1550 and a 4.0 because half the other Asian applicants are more impressive than that. Black/Latino/Native kids have historically been disadvantaged more than other races, so obviously they’re not all churning out 1580s left and right.

How do know who is the brightest? I thought it was just a sampling of the "qualified" because if you're qualified then it doesn't matter who is the best above that threshold. It can't be both.

Elite schools want people. Not robots who pump and grind 24/7 without a purpose. The essays act as the differentiators. You can be academically qualified with certain numbers but that doesn’t equal qualified personality wise.

Harvard is one of the most liberal institutions in the US. To say that the whole admissions office must be racist against Asians and deny that Asians routinely score low on personality traits is massive cope.

SCOTUS ruling in Harvard lawsuits says exactly the opposite. So who do we believe? The SCOTUS or a liberal racist liar like you?

The SFFA case doesn’t say what you think that it does. Harvard won the discrimination portion of the case. The win was held up on appeal and not argued in front of the of the Supreme Court.

No one cares about the sophistic distinction you're trying to make, even if it might have some slim basis. Harvard's (and everyone else's) admissions practices were found to be illegal under the 1964 civil rights act. That overshadows anything else.

You really need to learn before hitting a keyboard. It is a huge distinction to anyone with a brain because they were not discriminating against Asians which is what people are screaming any time that admissions is based on something other than a test.

DP. Stop repeating the lies. If there was really no discrimination, the main stream media controlled by liberals would have had a field day.

You are too stupid to be part of this conversation. Why part of ‘they won’ are you struggling with?

Harvard did not win. It lost at the Supreme Court.
Repeating “they won” after the final ruling is not an argument. It is denial.

You desperately want to believe that Harvard was found guilty of discrimination against Asians but it isn’t what happened, the opposite happened. They were found not to have deliberately discriminated against Asians.

Discrimination by Harvard was not part of the argument at the Supreme Court in SFFA. The entire argument was about whether or not using race as part of the admissions criteria in college admissions violated the 14th amendment.

The effect of the ruling is that race cannot be used as part of the admissions rubric at any college. This is a far cry from “Harvard discriminated against Asians.”

You might want to stay away from legal issues going forward.

Harvard was found guilty of racial discrimination. Stop lying and repeating the lies.

The copium, and stupidity runs strong in you.

It’s obvious who is stupid and stubborn. It’s you.

One of us is a T14 graduate and the other is…..you. Why are you so desperate to believe that Harvard discriminated against Asians? The end result was what SFFA wanted even if it doesn’t give you what you so badly want to hear. Even the Wikipedia on the case is detailed enough to explain things to you if you actually take the time to read it.

A T14 graduate who can’t stop lying. I’ve seen too many of those.

NP. When you lose the argument, just resort to accusing the other person of lying. Classic gaslighting technique.

What argument did I lose? Harvard lost the racial discrimination lawsuit. It was a fact.

Yes, because SCOTUS has a conservative majority that votes in the interests of powerful white men who wrongly believe they’re being discriminated against. Trust me, they didn’t rule against Harvard to benefit Asians.

Regardless of the implications, you admitted Harvard lost the discrimination lawsuit. That’s a good first step.

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Anonymous wrote:If we, as a society, prevent universities from admitting individual students on the basis of their skin color, then the racist have already won.

Aren’t you a racist by promoting admission by skin color?

NP.

It’s not racism because it is racism only to correct the effects of historical racism.

Why don’t you understand that?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

Except there have been racially based admissions standards for many years, which means that some black doctors were admitted to medical school with lower qualifications. And guess what, they became the doctors that help black patients have better outcomes than their white peers who had higher MCATs.

No, this isn’t how it works. A black doctor isn’t automatically better for a black patient. How can anyone think on such simple terms? The best test scores and best grades make the best doctors. It is a knowledge based field that requires the same problem solving thought process that these classes and exams are measuring. That is exactly why these are critical for admission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we, as a society, prevent universities from admitting individual students on the basis of their skin color, then the racist have already won.

Aren’t you a racist by promoting admission by skin color?

NP.

It’s not racism because it is racism only to correct the effects of historical racism.

Why don’t you understand that?

It's not racism, it's racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we, as a society, prevent universities from admitting individual students on the basis of their skin color, then the racist have already won.

Aren’t you a racist by promoting admission by skin color?

NP.

It’s not racism because it is racism only to correct the effects of historical racism.

Why don’t you understand that?

huh?
First of all, it’s still racism.
Second, as an asian American, why do we have to pay for the cost of white people’s past crimes as if we were part of them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

Except there have been racially based admissions standards for many years, which means that some black doctors were admitted to medical school with lower qualifications. And guess what, they became the doctors that help black patients have better outcomes than their white peers who had higher MCATs.

No, this isn’t how it works. A black doctor isn’t automatically better for a black patient. How can anyone think on such simple terms? The best test scores and best grades make the best doctors. It is a knowledge based field that requires the same problem solving thought process that these classes and exams are measuring. That is exactly why these are critical for admission.

Paradoxically, thinking in these simple terms definitely does lead to less equal outcomes, because you are sorting the worst doctors, on average, to the greatest need.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we, as a society, prevent universities from admitting individual students on the basis of their skin color, then the racist have already won.

Aren’t you a racist by promoting admission by skin color?

NP.

It’s not racism because it is racism only to correct the effects of historical racism.

Why don’t you understand that?

It was the white people who enslaved and murdered your ancestors, not the Asian people. They’re getting away and laughing their asses off at your idiocy when you’re lashing out at and focusing on Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we, as a society, prevent universities from admitting individual students on the basis of their skin color, then the racist have already won.

Aren’t you a racist by promoting admission by skin color?

NP.

It’s not racism because it is racism only to correct the effects of historical racism.

Why don’t you understand that?

It was the white people who enslaved and murdered your ancestors, not the Asian people. They’re getting away and laughing their asses off at your idiocy when you’re lashing out at and focusing on Asians.

We are.

- white person

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

Except there have been racially based admissions standards for many years, which means that some black doctors were admitted to medical school with lower qualifications. And guess what, they became the doctors that help black patients have better outcomes than their white peers who had higher MCATs.

No, this isn’t how it works. A black doctor isn’t automatically better for a black patient. How can anyone think on such simple terms? The best test scores and best grades make the best doctors. It is a knowledge based field that requires the same problem solving thought process that these classes and exams are measuring. That is exactly why these are critical for admission.

People without empathy can be extremely intelligent and still make bad decisions/choices. For a while tech systems have been shown to be biased because the people making them were white and Asian and they didn’t think to check for anti black bias; not those researchers faults exactly, just not where people think first all the time.

You can be the most amazing doctor and researcher but have the worst patient care around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we, as a society, prevent universities from admitting individual students on the basis of their skin color, then the racist have already won.

Aren’t you a racist by promoting admission by skin color?

NP.

It’s not racism because it is racism only to correct the effects of historical racism.

Why don’t you understand that?

It was the white people who enslaved and murdered your ancestors, not the Asian people. They’re getting away and laughing their asses off at your idiocy when you’re lashing out at and focusing on Asians.

We are.

- white person

Makes perfect sense. Typical white people trying to shift the consequences of their crimes to Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

Except there have been racially based admissions standards for many years, which means that some black doctors were admitted to medical school with lower qualifications. And guess what, they became the doctors that help black patients have better outcomes than their white peers who had higher MCATs.

No, this isn’t how it works. A black doctor isn’t automatically better for a black patient. How can anyone think on such simple terms? The best test scores and best grades make the best doctors. It is a knowledge based field that requires the same problem solving thought process that these classes and exams are measuring. That is exactly why these are critical for admission.

People without empathy can be extremely intelligent and still make bad decisions/choices. For a while tech systems have been shown to be biased because the people making them were white and Asian and they didn’t think to check for anti black bias; not those researchers faults exactly, just not where people think first all the time.

You can be the most amazing doctor and researcher but have the worst patient care around.

This isn’t the 1960s. We have all lived through DEI training for implicit biases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we, as a society, prevent universities from admitting individual students on the basis of their skin color, then the racist have already won.

Aren’t you a racist by promoting admission by skin color?

NP.

It’s not racism because it is racism only to correct the effects of historical racism.

Why don’t you understand that?

It was the white people who enslaved and murdered your ancestors, not the Asian people. They’re getting away and laughing their asses off at your idiocy when you’re lashing out at and focusing on Asians.

We are.

- white person

Makes perfect sense. Typical white people trying to shift the consequences of their crimes to Asians.

Stop blaming men for the crimes of women.