DOJ says Yale medical school discriminated against Asian, White applicants

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your doctor's taxes is important can I ask for a white doctor if I'm white? I would think and hope the answer would be 'no.'

Seeing a doctor is not like getting an oil change or buying a gallon of milk or learning soccer. It's an intimate relationship and some.peopme may need a white doctor or an Asian doctor or a female doctor or a black doctor for whatever reason.

Could I ask for a non-black doctor?

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My racist old jackass grandfather certainly did. He was racist and he still needed to go to the doctor so he went to a white one. What the heck are people like him supposed to do?.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your doctor's taxes is important can I ask for a white doctor if I'm white? I would think and hope the answer would be 'no.'

Seeing a doctor is not like getting an oil change or buying a gallon of milk or learning soccer. It's an intimate relationship and some.peopme may need a white doctor or an Asian doctor or a female doctor or a black doctor for whatever reason.

Could I ask for a non-black doctor?

I always do. I also ask for non-black police officers, and during court cases request non-black judges. One time I hired a management consultant and requested a non-black consultant there too. Ohh and my dentist also.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your doctor's taxes is important can I ask for a white doctor if I'm white? I would think and hope the answer would be 'no.'

Seeing a doctor is not like getting an oil change or buying a gallon of milk or learning soccer. It's an intimate relationship and some.peopme may need a white doctor or an Asian doctor or a female doctor or a black doctor for whatever reason.

Could I ask for a non-black doctor?

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My racist old jackass grandfather certainly did. He was racist and he still needed to go to the doctor so he went to a white one. What the heck are people like him supposed to do?.

So... because you hate... your own grandfather... and since he was racist... Yale should be able to engage in ... DEI practices... forbidden by the supreme court???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We all know many colleges discriminate against Asians and whites. It is a liberal trend that current administration tries to revert. Not because they care about law, or fairness, but because they care about predominantly white maga base. What maga doesn't get is that with a pure merit based adminission, top schools like Yale or Harvard will be 80%+ Asian. And it is not because Asian kids are smarter but because they work harder being pushed most of the times by their families. That's the reality like it or not.

Way to cope. They’re actually smarter. Some are hard working some are not. But they’re smarter on average for sure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

All of these people are qualified. DOJ’s ridiculous letter confirmed that everyone’s MCAT and GPAs are super high. Why does DOJ get to dictate what it means to be “most qualified” to be a good doctor? There are things that matter to me more than whether my doctor was in the 95th rather than the 99th percentile on the MCAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your doctor's taxes is important can I ask for a white doctor if I'm white? I would think and hope the answer would be 'no.'

Seeing a doctor is not like getting an oil change or buying a gallon of milk or learning soccer. It's an intimate relationship and some.peopme may need a white doctor or an Asian doctor or a female doctor or a black doctor for whatever reason.

Could I ask for a non-black doctor?

.
My racist old jackass grandfather certainly did. He was racist and he still needed to go to the doctor so he went to a white one. What the heck are people like him supposed to do?.

So... because you hate... your own grandfather... and since he was racist... Yale should be able to engage in ... DEI practices... forbidden by the supreme court???

Show me where the Supreme Court forbade “DEI practices.” Just because this incompetent and ideological DOJ says something is so does not mean that it is.

Their letter to Yale was embarrassing. They are so quick to conclude that a white person was discriminated against based on the flimsiest of evidence. And then they (and the Supreme Court) lecture us about how discrimination against black people is ancient history.

[Anonymous]

Overall, white students have benefited from the sffa v Harvard decision at many selective institutions. Asian students generally have not

[Anonymous]

You need doctors from all cultures period. It is so much easier for patients who speak Spanish to have a Hispanic doctor. It also helps because you need doctors from all communities. This included doctors from rural MAGA areas. Medical school is rough and you have to pass all the board exams to get licensed. If all these black and Hispanic doctors can pass these exams, what is the issue?? Who cares if the difference is between the 80th percentile on the MCAT vs 99% percentile? My med school was 40% Asian, that’s already way higher than the nation’s demographics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

All of these people are qualified. DOJ’s ridiculous letter confirmed that everyone’s MCAT and GPAs are super high. Why does DOJ get to dictate what it means to be “most qualified” to be a good doctor? There are things that matter to me more than whether my doctor was in the 95th rather than the 99th percentile on the MCAT.

Qualified is not a binary concept. Among people who are "qualified", some are more qualified, and some are less qualified. Do you really not believe this?

As to percentiles, the difference is very much not 95th vs 99th:

In 2023, Black and Hispanic students’ median MCAT scores fell in the 68th percentile, while all other demographic groups scored in the 86th percentile or higher. In 2024, Black students scored in the 72nd percentile while Hispanic students fell in the 66th percentile. Once again, the other demographic groups’ median scores were in the 86th percentile or higher.

Maybe UCLA is unique though.

[Anonymous]

I guess when I am next looking for a doctor all I have to do is pick the one with the highest MCAT scores and I will know that I picked the best doctor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You need doctors from all cultures period. It is so much easier for patients who speak Spanish to have a Hispanic doctor. It also helps because you need doctors from all communities. This included doctors from rural MAGA areas. Medical school is rough and you have to pass all the board exams to get licensed. If all these black and Hispanic doctors can pass these exams, what is the issue?? Who cares if the difference is between the 80th percentile on the MCAT vs 99% percentile? My med school was 40% Asian, that’s already way higher than the nation’s demographics.

Yes, 100%! I think that patient outcomes and patient compliance are better for some populations when the doctor has a better cultural understanding of their patients' lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess when I am next looking for a doctor all I have to do is pick the one with the highest MCAT scores and I will know that I picked the best doctor.

This is a fallacious argument. We would all agree that a small difference in MCAT scores is not meaningful for doctor quality. But yes, all else equal, on average, people who can do well on a high stakes technical test are more likely to have full command of the information required to make accurate diagnoses and to understand the subtleties of the evidence about different kinds of treatments. And to have the interest and ability to keep up with medical research. Do you really not believe this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need doctors from all cultures period. It is so much easier for patients who speak Spanish to have a Hispanic doctor. It also helps because you need doctors from all communities. This included doctors from rural MAGA areas. Medical school is rough and you have to pass all the board exams to get licensed. If all these black and Hispanic doctors can pass these exams, what is the issue?? Who cares if the difference is between the 80th percentile on the MCAT vs 99% percentile? My med school was 40% Asian, that’s already way higher than the nation’s demographics.

Yes, 100%! I think that patient outcomes and patient compliance are better for some populations when the doctor has a better cultural understanding of their patients' lives.

What is the evidence on this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your doctor's taxes is important can I ask for a white doctor if I'm white? I would think and hope the answer would be 'no.'

Seeing a doctor is not like getting an oil change or buying a gallon of milk or learning soccer. It's an intimate relationship and some.peopme may need a white doctor or an Asian doctor or a female doctor or a black doctor for whatever reason.

Could I ask for a non-black doctor?

.
My racist old jackass grandfather certainly did. He was racist and he still needed to go to the doctor so he went to a white one. What the heck are people like him supposed to do?.

So... because you hate... your own grandfather... and since he was racist... Yale should be able to engage in ... DEI practices... forbidden by the supreme court???

Show me where the Supreme Court forbade “DEI practices.” Just because this incompetent and ideological DOJ says something is so does not mean that it is.

Their letter to Yale was embarrassing. They are so quick to conclude that a white person was discriminated against based on the flimsiest of evidence. And then they (and the Supreme Court) lecture us about how discrimination against black people is ancient history.

The supreme court forbade a specific subset of DEI practices, namely racial preferences in university admissions. Is your position that Yale didn't do this, or that they did and it was a good thing, actually?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need doctors from all cultures period. It is so much easier for patients who speak Spanish to have a Hispanic doctor. It also helps because you need doctors from all communities. This included doctors from rural MAGA areas. Medical school is rough and you have to pass all the board exams to get licensed. If all these black and Hispanic doctors can pass these exams, what is the issue?? Who cares if the difference is between the 80th percentile on the MCAT vs 99% percentile? My med school was 40% Asian, that’s already way higher than the nation’s demographics.

Yes, 100%! I think that patient outcomes and patient compliance are better for some populations when the doctor has a better cultural understanding of their patients' lives.

What is the evidence on this?

They don’t have any.