Mexico : shelter in place

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Chicken/egg

What?? No way. If Americans didn’t use so much drugs, the supply would not be there.

The cartel also controls the avocado trade. Do we stop eating avocados?

No. Because that is legal. Duh.

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Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

Of course not, places do change all the time, but I hadn't heard that before, that's why I was asking if it had really changed that much, I'd had no idea it was no longer a normal UMC tourist spot. No need to get prickly.

My impression is that Puerto Vallarta is still pretty touristy and safe, although the area between Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City has some cartel-heavy areas. I'm really surprised that Puerto Vallarta is covered by a shelter-in-place order. There's a nice Westin, a Dreams, a Marriot, etc. It's not a sketchy area, so a shelter in place is a scary.

See earlier posts about cartels operating “in the background.”

That post was troubling because it sounded like someone who felt safe in their bubble, because they were not the one being gruesomely murdered.

When will we learn that lawlessness is threatening to everyone?

Who is we? What can a US citizen reasonably do to advocate for improved Mexican policing?

Petition our government, which can spend our money and soft power freely to influence international affairs when they are so inclined.

More importantly, if we boycott travel to Mexico (rather than chasing the cheapest margarita), their leaders will probably decide that they can’t continue looking the other way.

(Interesting that it took a woman in charge to crack down finally .)

It's not so much that they are looking the other way. It's that anyone who takes them on is assassinated at some point. Tons and tons and tons of cartel related political assassinations there.

That is ONE reason those in charge look the other way.

The other is corruption.

It will take courage and years to clean things up, but the status quo is not an option. Not is condemning our southern neighbors to living in a lawless state.

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Chicken/egg

What?? No way. If Americans didn’t use so much drugs, the supply would not be there.

How did it start then?

We killed El Mencho.

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Anonymous wrote:Boycotting Mexico is the correct thing to do.

I have never been to Mexico so I guess I have been boycotting it for 45 years. So weird that didn’t impact violence or policing there

I love Mexico and this is the first year we aren't going at Spring Break. We go to beach towns north of PV, Oaxaca, Tulum, Merida and my dd did her senior trip to San Miguel de Allende with her group of friends last summer. I'm honestly glad we don't have a trip planned this year but I'm sure they will be back to normal soon. I've never felt unsafe there honestly. We mostly stay in cities, towns or on the beach.

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Anonymous wrote:Boycotting Mexico is the correct thing to do.

I have never been to Mexico so I guess I have been boycotting it for 45 years. So weird that didn’t impact violence or policing there

I love Mexico and this is the first year we aren't going at Spring Break. We go to beach towns north of PV, Oaxaca, Tulum, Merida and my dd did her senior trip to San Miguel de Allende with her group of friends last summer. I'm honestly glad we don't have a trip planned this year but I'm sure they will be back to normal soon. I've never felt unsafe there honestly. We mostly stay in cities, towns or on the beach.

I totally agree. Mexico is one of my favorite places and we travel there frequently. We have never had any problems. I am so sad for all of the Mexican people who will lose wages because people are canceling trips (not that I disagree with canceling right now). I understand that some people may feel uncomfortable or unsafe, but I have been there upwards of 25 times and it is a beautiful country. I hope that this situation is resolved quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming this is related to the shit down of airspace over El Paso and the cartel war that is coming.

The brief shut down in El Paso was just incompetence and bad communication.

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It was actually a lie by the administration to cover their incompetence. Had nothing to do with the cartels

You know, it could be both at the same time.

in theory that could be true, but if it had been then El Paso airport would not have been fully opened instantly after a complaint to tsa from it's state government

It didn't reopen instantly, but definitely quickly. El Paso has Fort Bliss, and nearby is White Sands missile range. And to give you an idea of how close El Paso is to Juarez, think closer than the Lincoln Memorial and Arlington Cemetery. El Paso and Juarez used to be parts of the same city. And unlike the Washington Channel, the Rio Grande is mostly dry and if it wasn't for the wall (a version of which was installed in EP decades ago) people would be able to walk back and forth most of the year. All to say that any perceived security threat is taken very seriously in El Paso.

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About 1.6 million Americans live in Mexico.

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Is it over? Sounds like PJs left PVR today and UA is flying tomorrow to PVR?

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Yep

As someone who’s really never done drugs, I just really struggle to understand th demand and how people can support an industry that is so horrific. I understood the opioid epidemic that started with doctors over prescribing pain pills for routine surgery and injuries. But it’s been over a decade since the medical community really cracked down on that, so it has not been creating new addicts in the same way. Who are all these Americans making a choice to go down this path? I really don’t understand it, although I know it makes me seem naive. I know one person that uses pot gummies but other than that, I e really never know anyone that uses drugs.
I’m uncomfortable buying sneakers made in sweat shops….i can’t imagine wanting to buy a product made/transported by people that operate the way the cartels do.

Tell me you know nothing about addiction…

I’ve read a lot about it but don’t have any personal experience. What percentage of illegal drugs consumed in America are consumed by addicts, as opposed to casual users? I don’t know. If all the casual users stopped, would that make a dent in demand? And every addict starts somewhere, right? Putting aside the addicts that started because they had doctors that told them to take an opioid … I just don’t get why so many people voluntarily start down that path. If people understood the murder and violence and rape behind their purchases, would it make a difference? I don’t know.

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

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As someone who’s really never done drugs, I just really struggle to understand th demand and how people can support an industry that is so horrific. I understood the opioid epidemic that started with doctors over prescribing pain pills for routine surgery and injuries. But it’s been over a decade since the medical community really cracked down on that, so it has not been creating new addicts in the same way. Who are all these Americans making a choice to go down this path? I really don’t understand it, although I know it makes me seem naive. I know one person that uses pot gummies but other than that, I e really never know anyone that uses drugs.
I’m uncomfortable buying sneakers made in sweat shops….i can’t imagine wanting to buy a product made/transported by people that operate the way the cartels do.

Respectfully, it’s 2026. You should not be so naive as to not have a basic understanding of addiction. There is a ton of research and science out there if you’re inclined to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Mexico and US took out the most wanted cartel boss and there are retaliations in the street by the cartel.

If the US is involved, it’s extremely irrational and irresponsible to do this while people are traveling there.

Also, it’s one of the gazillion cartels in Mexico. There’s just another one waiting to take over.

The US *is* involved. In case you didn't realize, the current administration couldn't care less about people, whether they're US diplomats or tourists, or foreigners.

What a joke... so the United States should announce - don't travel, at all, in Mexico, because Sheinbaum is going to arrest a cartel leader with our intelligence? That sounds like it would work really well. Would any of you listen anyway? Your sweeping political statements are just unhinged.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like an ice raid, although a witness points out the gunmen are careful not to hurt people as they exit their cars. The cars are torched, but they don’t shoot the people.
Sounds awful.

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Anonymous wrote:If you travel to Mexico, you should expect this.

It's not a safe country, but hey it's cheap so you can drink a lot.

Yes and no. You need to be aware of safety risks traveling to Mexico, but this is an unusual level of violence in touristy areas, and the concern specifically about American tourists is not normal.

I would ordinarily have no issue traveling to Puerto Vallarta or the Cancun area -- I've been to both and felt totally safe. I would think twice about going there right now because (1) the currently heightened security concern specifically for Americans, and (2) the fact that Trump is unpredictable and reckless and his attention seems to be at least partially on Mexico right now. Between that bizarre closure of air space over El Paso and then this, I would personally be concerned that Trump will do something stupid that would impact my safety or even just my ability to get home from Mexico on time. It is not hard to imagine him doing something idiotic while I'm having an otherwise normal and safe vacation at a resort or n Mexico City, and that resulting my flights being cancelled or rerouted, or some other annoying travel obstacle I don't want to deal with.

Puerto Rico it is!

I'm not sure that you have really been following safety (and State Department warnings) in Mexico for the last decade or so.

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Yep

As someone who’s really never done drugs, I just really struggle to understand th demand and how people can support an industry that is so horrific. I understood the opioid epidemic that started with doctors over prescribing pain pills for routine surgery and injuries. But it’s been over a decade since the medical community really cracked down on that, so it has not been creating new addicts in the same way. Who are all these Americans making a choice to go down this path? I really don’t understand it, although I know it makes me seem naive. I know one person that uses pot gummies but other than that, I e really never know anyone that uses drugs.
I’m uncomfortable buying sneakers made in sweat shops….i can’t imagine wanting to buy a product made/transported by people that operate the way the cartels do.

Tell me you know nothing about addiction…

I’ve read a lot about it but don’t have any personal experience. What percentage of illegal drugs consumed in America are consumed by addicts, as opposed to casual users? I don’t know. If all the casual users stopped, would that make a dent in demand? And every addict starts somewhere, right? Putting aside the addicts that started because they had doctors that told them to take an opioid … I just don’t get why so many people voluntarily start down that path. If people understood the murder and violence and rape behind their purchases, would it make a difference? I don’t know.

Our homes are filled with trash made by slave labor. Yes, even your home. You think people are thinking about that when they’re using?

“why do people go down that path?”

Most have severe trauma
Some started as weekend warriors and it spiraled (just like it does with booze)
Didn’t think they would get hooked (because many don’t, science shows this)

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It will likely settle down and things will go back to normal.