Mexico : shelter in place

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Yep

As someone who’s really never done drugs, I just really struggle to understand th demand and how people can support an industry that is so horrific. I understood the opioid epidemic that started with doctors over prescribing pain pills for routine surgery and injuries. But it’s been over a decade since the medical community really cracked down on that, so it has not been creating new addicts in the same way. Who are all these Americans making a choice to go down this path? I really don’t understand it, although I know it makes me seem naive. I know one person that uses pot gummies but other than that, I e really never know anyone that uses drugs.
I’m uncomfortable buying sneakers made in sweat shops….i can’t imagine wanting to buy a product made/transported by people that operate the way the cartels do.

Tell me you know nothing about addiction…

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Anonymous wrote:If you travel to Mexico, you should expect this.

It's not a safe country, but hey it's cheap so you can drink a lot.

Please. This is not a normal situation at all. Mexico is a huge US vacation destination, especially for Sring Break.

Anyone with any common sense and a little awareness of the world wouldn't be surprised by it.

Now if your live in a bubble....sure this is surprising

DP. Call me crazy but I'd still go to Merida.

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Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

Of course not, places do change all the time, but I hadn't heard that before, that's why I was asking if it had really changed that much, I'd had no idea it was no longer a normal UMC tourist spot. No need to get prickly.

My impression is that Puerto Vallarta is still pretty touristy and safe, although the area between Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City has some cartel-heavy areas. I'm really surprised that Puerto Vallarta is covered by a shelter-in-place order. There's a nice Westin, a Dreams, a Marriot, etc. It's not a sketchy area, so a shelter in place is a scary.

See earlier posts about cartels operating “in the background.”

That post was troubling because it sounded like someone who felt safe in their bubble, because they were not the one being gruesomely murdered.

When will we learn that lawlessness is threatening to everyone?

Who is we? What can a US citizen reasonably do to advocate for improved Mexican policing?

Petition our government, which can spend our money and soft power freely to influence international affairs when they are so inclined.

More importantly, if we boycott travel to Mexico (rather than chasing the cheapest margarita), their leaders will probably decide that they can’t continue looking the other way.

(Interesting that it took a woman in charge to crack down finally .)

Much more likely that a loss of tourist revenue will old make the cartel $$$ even more influential in Mexico, plus cause loss of income for all the ordinary people who benefit from tourism.

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Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

Of course not, places do change all the time, but I hadn't heard that before, that's why I was asking if it had really changed that much, I'd had no idea it was no longer a normal UMC tourist spot. No need to get prickly.

My impression is that Puerto Vallarta is still pretty touristy and safe, although the area between Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City has some cartel-heavy areas. I'm really surprised that Puerto Vallarta is covered by a shelter-in-place order. There's a nice Westin, a Dreams, a Marriot, etc. It's not a sketchy area, so a shelter in place is a scary.

See earlier posts about cartels operating “in the background.”

That post was troubling because it sounded like someone who felt safe in their bubble, because they were not the one being gruesomely murdered.

When will we learn that lawlessness is threatening to everyone?

Who is we? What can a US citizen reasonably do to advocate for improved Mexican policing?

Petition our government, which can spend our money and soft power freely to influence international affairs when they are so inclined.

More importantly, if we boycott travel to Mexico (rather than chasing the cheapest margarita), their leaders will probably decide that they can’t continue looking the other way.

(Interesting that it took a woman in charge to crack down finally .)

Much more likely that a loss of tourist revenue will old make the cartel $$$ even more influential in Mexico, plus cause loss of income for all the ordinary people who benefit from tourism.

No, you’re right. The Mexican people should go ahead and continue to live under cartel rule so we can continue to vacation there.

It’s a bad situation either way. And I do feel for the business owners and also for the Americans who are there right now.

My family is from Mexico. It’s a great country. I hope they can find a way through this.

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Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

Of course not, places do change all the time, but I hadn't heard that before, that's why I was asking if it had really changed that much, I'd had no idea it was no longer a normal UMC tourist spot. No need to get prickly.

My impression is that Puerto Vallarta is still pretty touristy and safe, although the area between Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City has some cartel-heavy areas. I'm really surprised that Puerto Vallarta is covered by a shelter-in-place order. There's a nice Westin, a Dreams, a Marriot, etc. It's not a sketchy area, so a shelter in place is a scary.

See earlier posts about cartels operating “in the background.”

That post was troubling because it sounded like someone who felt safe in their bubble, because they were not the one being gruesomely murdered.

When will we learn that lawlessness is threatening to everyone?

Who is we? What can a US citizen reasonably do to advocate for improved Mexican policing?

Petition our government, which can spend our money and soft power freely to influence international affairs when they are so inclined.

More importantly, if we boycott travel to Mexico (rather than chasing the cheapest margarita), their leaders will probably decide that they can’t continue looking the other way.

(Interesting that it took a woman in charge to crack down finally .)

Much more likely that a loss of tourist revenue will old make the cartel $$$ even more influential in Mexico, plus cause loss of income for all the ordinary people who benefit from tourism.

No, you’re right. The Mexican people should go ahead and continue to live under cartel rule so we can continue to vacation there.

It’s a bad situation either way. And I do feel for the business owners and also for the Americans who are there right now.

My family is from Mexico. It’s a great country. I hope they can find a way through this.

When you vacation there you are supporting the cartels just the same as the drug users.

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Boycotting Mexico is the correct thing to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Boycotting Mexico is the correct thing to do.

I have never been to Mexico so I guess I have been boycotting it for 45 years. So weird that didn’t impact violence or policing there

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Chicken/egg

What?? No way. If Americans didn’t use so much drugs, the supply would not be there.

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Wasn’t there also a string of unexplained American deaths from the liquor or poisoning?

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there also a string of unexplained American deaths from the liquor or poisoning?

I thought that was in DR?

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there also a string of unexplained American deaths from the liquor or poisoning?

I thought that was in DR?

Mexico had them too.

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Chicken/egg

What?? No way. If Americans didn’t use so much drugs, the supply would not be there.

The cartel also controls the avocado trade. Do we stop eating avocados?

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Our government should be sheltering and transporting all Americans home from PV.

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Chicken/egg

What?? No way. If Americans didn’t use so much drugs, the supply would not be there.

How did it start then?