Mexico : shelter in place

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Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

Of course not, places do change all the time, but I hadn't heard that before, that's why I was asking if it had really changed that much, I'd had no idea it was no longer a normal UMC tourist spot. No need to get prickly.

My impression is that Puerto Vallarta is still pretty touristy and safe, although the area between Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City has some cartel-heavy areas. I'm really surprised that Puerto Vallarta is covered by a shelter-in-place order. There's a nice Westin, a Dreams, a Marriot, etc. It's not a sketchy area, so a shelter in place is a scary.

Its very safe. There are MEGA luxury hotels 45 min north (Four Seasons, Auberge, Rosewood, O&O, Ritz Reserve) and 1.5 hours south (another Four Seasons). New Montage coming to Punta Mita too. Condos start at$8M US. This was seen as VERY safe. Very. Outside of Cabo, the safest.....

Cancun/Tulum was cartel territory. Not PV. This will cause prices to spiral.

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Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

Of course not, places do change all the time, but I hadn't heard that before, that's why I was asking if it had really changed that much, I'd had no idea it was no longer a normal UMC tourist spot. No need to get prickly.

My impression is that Puerto Vallarta is still pretty touristy and safe, although the area between Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City has some cartel-heavy areas. I'm really surprised that Puerto Vallarta is covered by a shelter-in-place order. There's a nice Westin, a Dreams, a Marriot, etc. It's not a sketchy area, so a shelter in place is a scary.

Its very safe. There are MEGA luxury hotels 45 min north (Four Seasons, Auberge, Rosewood, O&O, Ritz Reserve) and 1.5 hours south (another Four Seasons). New Montage coming to Punta Mita too. Condos start at$8M US. This was seen as VERY safe. Very. Outside of Cabo, the safest.....

Cancun/Tulum was cartel territory. Not PV. This will cause prices to spiral.

PV is not safe now. The images and reports are striking.

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Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

Of course not, places do change all the time, but I hadn't heard that before, that's why I was asking if it had really changed that much, I'd had no idea it was no longer a normal UMC tourist spot. No need to get prickly.

My impression is that Puerto Vallarta is still pretty touristy and safe, although the area between Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City has some cartel-heavy areas. I'm really surprised that Puerto Vallarta is covered by a shelter-in-place order. There's a nice Westin, a Dreams, a Marriot, etc. It's not a sketchy area, so a shelter in place is a scary.

See earlier posts about cartels operating “in the background.”

That post was troubling because it sounded like someone who felt safe in their bubble, because they were not the one being gruesomely murdered.

When will we learn that lawlessness is threatening to everyone?

Who is we? What can a US citizen reasonably do to advocate for improved Mexican policing?

Petition our government, which can spend our money and soft power freely to influence international affairs when they are so inclined.

More importantly, if we boycott travel to Mexico (rather than chasing the cheapest margarita), their leaders will probably decide that they can’t continue looking the other way.

(Interesting that it took a woman in charge to crack down finally .)

It's not so much that they are looking the other way. It's that anyone who takes them on is assassinated at some point. Tons and tons and tons of cartel related political assassinations there.

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Yep

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Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming this is related to the shit down of airspace over El Paso and the cartel war that is coming.

The brief shut down in El Paso was just incompetence and bad communication.

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It was actually a lie by the administration to cover their incompetence. Had nothing to do with the cartels

You know, it could be both at the same time.

in theory that could be true, but if it had been then El Paso airport would not have been fully opened instantly after a complaint to tsa from it's state government

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

You really have to be a condescending jerk?

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Yes, yes, the US is the only place where people use drugs. All Mexican drugs end up here.

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Yep

As someone who’s really never done drugs, I just really struggle to understand th demand and how people can support an industry that is so horrific. I understood the opioid epidemic that started with doctors over prescribing pain pills for routine surgery and injuries. But it’s been over a decade since the medical community really cracked down on that, so it has not been creating new addicts in the same way. Who are all these Americans making a choice to go down this path? I really don’t understand it, although I know it makes me seem naive. I know one person that uses pot gummies but other than that, I e really never know anyone that uses drugs.
I’m uncomfortable buying sneakers made in sweat shops….i can’t imagine wanting to buy a product made/transported by people that operate the way the cartels do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Yes, yes, the US is the only place where people use drugs. All Mexican drugs end up here.

It’s actually true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you travel to Mexico, you should expect this.

It's not a safe country, but hey it's cheap so you can drink a lot.

Please. This is not a normal situation at all. Mexico is a huge US vacation destination, especially for Sring Break.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming this is related to the shit down of airspace over El Paso and the cartel war that is coming.

The brief shut down in El Paso was just incompetence and bad communication.

+1
It was actually a lie by the administration to cover their incompetence. Had nothing to do with the cartels

You know, it could be both at the same time.

in theory that could be true, but if it had been then El Paso airport would not have been fully opened instantly after a complaint to tsa from it's state government

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The party balloon had nothing to do with this

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you travel to Mexico, you should expect this.

It's not a safe country, but hey it's cheap so you can drink a lot.

Please. This is not a normal situation at all. Mexico is a huge US vacation destination, especially for Sring Break.

Sure, but this year isn’t the year to travel there.

It’s a powder keg and there’s no way to predict where violence will occur.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you travel to Mexico, you should expect this.

It's not a safe country, but hey it's cheap so you can drink a lot.

Please. This is not a normal situation at all. Mexico is a huge US vacation destination, especially for Sring Break.

Sure, but this year isn’t the year to travel there.

It’s a powder keg and there’s no way to predict where violence will occur.

Just because it’s worse now doesn’t mean it was safe before. It’s just not that hard to choose somewhere else. No sympathy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you travel to Mexico, you should expect this.

It's not a safe country, but hey it's cheap so you can drink a lot.

Please. This is not a normal situation at all. Mexico is a huge US vacation destination, especially for Sring Break.

Sure, but this year isn’t the year to travel there.

It’s a powder keg and there’s no way to predict where violence will occur.

Just because it’s worse now doesn’t mean it was safe before. It’s just not that hard to choose somewhere else. No sympathy.

I love Mexico and much prefer it to Florida or other places in the Caribbean. I do think this year is different and I’m holding off for the moment in planning any trips. Sadly. Mexico is one of my favorite countries along with Italy and Spain. Sun, great history, phenomenal food, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you travel to Mexico, you should expect this.

It's not a safe country, but hey it's cheap so you can drink a lot.

Please. This is not a normal situation at all. Mexico is a huge US vacation destination, especially for Sring Break.

Anyone with any common sense and a little awareness of the world wouldn't be surprised by it.

Now if your live in a bubble....sure this is surprising