Mexico : shelter in place

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico should absolutely do something about the cartels.

But Mexico is nearby and full of beach resorts, of course a lot of Americans vacation there. No one wants to get stuck in Puerto Vallarta or Cancun because cartel violence shuts down the airport. That's a perfectly legitimate concern.

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Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

Of course not, places do change all the time, but I hadn't heard that before, that's why I was asking if it had really changed that much, I'd had no idea it was no longer a normal UMC tourist spot. No need to get prickly.

My impression is that Puerto Vallarta is still pretty touristy and safe, although the area between Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City has some cartel-heavy areas. I'm really surprised that Puerto Vallarta is covered by a shelter-in-place order. There's a nice Westin, a Dreams, a Marriot, etc. It's not a sketchy area, so a shelter in place is a scary.

See earlier posts about cartels operating “in the background.”

That post was troubling because it sounded like someone who felt safe in their bubble, because they were not the one being gruesomely murdered.

When will we learn that lawlessness is threatening to everyone?

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This is why we won't vacation in Mexico.

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Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

Of course not, places do change all the time, but I hadn't heard that before, that's why I was asking if it had really changed that much, I'd had no idea it was no longer a normal UMC tourist spot. No need to get prickly.

My impression is that Puerto Vallarta is still pretty touristy and safe, although the area between Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City has some cartel-heavy areas. I'm really surprised that Puerto Vallarta is covered by a shelter-in-place order. There's a nice Westin, a Dreams, a Marriot, etc. It's not a sketchy area, so a shelter in place is a scary.

See earlier posts about cartels operating “in the background.”

That post was troubling because it sounded like someone who felt safe in their bubble, because they were not the one being gruesomely murdered.

When will we learn that lawlessness is threatening to everyone?

Who is we? What can a US citizen reasonably do to advocate for improved Mexican policing?

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Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

Of course not, places do change all the time, but I hadn't heard that before, that's why I was asking if it had really changed that much, I'd had no idea it was no longer a normal UMC tourist spot. No need to get prickly.

My impression is that Puerto Vallarta is still pretty touristy and safe, although the area between Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City has some cartel-heavy areas. I'm really surprised that Puerto Vallarta is covered by a shelter-in-place order. There's a nice Westin, a Dreams, a Marriot, etc. It's not a sketchy area, so a shelter in place is a scary.

See earlier posts about cartels operating “in the background.”

That post was troubling because it sounded like someone who felt safe in their bubble, because they were not the one being gruesomely murdered.

When will we learn that lawlessness is threatening to everyone?

Who is we? What can a US citizen reasonably do to advocate for improved Mexican policing?

Stop excusing drug use and drug dealers even in homeless camps in major cities.

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I lived in Mexico years ago and still have family there. I drove all over that country. It was awesome.

I would not go now. My family have been affected ny the the cartels. The have to pay fees to them to keep their business "safe." Bank accounts have been siphoned, etc.

My heart breaks for the decent, hardworking people.

Mexico is a narco state.

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I will also add that Mexico now taxes any money wired there. When we send money to family, they tax it. They screw over their citizens and then screw them again if family abroad want to hrlp.

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Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

Of course not, places do change all the time, but I hadn't heard that before, that's why I was asking if it had really changed that much, I'd had no idea it was no longer a normal UMC tourist spot. No need to get prickly.

My impression is that Puerto Vallarta is still pretty touristy and safe, although the area between Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City has some cartel-heavy areas. I'm really surprised that Puerto Vallarta is covered by a shelter-in-place order. There's a nice Westin, a Dreams, a Marriot, etc. It's not a sketchy area, so a shelter in place is a scary.

See earlier posts about cartels operating “in the background.”

That post was troubling because it sounded like someone who felt safe in their bubble, because they were not the one being gruesomely murdered.

When will we learn that lawlessness is threatening to everyone?

Who is we? What can a US citizen reasonably do to advocate for improved Mexican policing?

Stop excusing drug use and drug dealers even in homeless camps in major cities.

Okay, will see you down there soon, helping to clean things up. God bless your efforts.

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Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

Of course not, places do change all the time, but I hadn't heard that before, that's why I was asking if it had really changed that much, I'd had no idea it was no longer a normal UMC tourist spot. No need to get prickly.

My impression is that Puerto Vallarta is still pretty touristy and safe, although the area between Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City has some cartel-heavy areas. I'm really surprised that Puerto Vallarta is covered by a shelter-in-place order. There's a nice Westin, a Dreams, a Marriot, etc. It's not a sketchy area, so a shelter in place is a scary.

See earlier posts about cartels operating “in the background.”

That post was troubling because it sounded like someone who felt safe in their bubble, because they were not the one being gruesomely murdered.

When will we learn that lawlessness is threatening to everyone?

Who is we? What can a US citizen reasonably do to advocate for improved Mexican policing?

Petition our government, which can spend our money and soft power freely to influence international affairs when they are so inclined.

More importantly, if we boycott travel to Mexico (rather than chasing the cheapest margarita), their leaders will probably decide that they can’t continue looking the other way.

(Interesting that it took a woman in charge to crack down finally .)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know what to believe. Sounds like much from yesterday was exaggerated.

Have you seen the pictures or videos ? I saw some on guardian

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Chicken/egg

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Anonymous wrote:It's Puerto Vallarta, which I do think is known to not be the safest option for travel in Mexico. I think something this extreme though is not common. Before it's been more tourists caught in line of fire by accident or kidnappings.

Really? It was a pretty popular spring break destination when I was in college (east coast) in the early 2000s. Also attended a wedding there once around 2010. It seemed pretty full of UMC American tourists both times.

Is it really that shocking that conditions could have changed from your experience 15-25 years ago?

I grew up in Southern California in the 90s and families would regularly drive over to Tijuana for the day…I certainly wouldn’t recommend doing the same now.

Of course not, places do change all the time, but I hadn't heard that before, that's why I was asking if it had really changed that much, I'd had no idea it was no longer a normal UMC tourist spot. No need to get prickly.

My impression is that Puerto Vallarta is still pretty touristy and safe, although the area between Puerto Vallarta and Mexico City has some cartel-heavy areas. I'm really surprised that Puerto Vallarta is covered by a shelter-in-place order. There's a nice Westin, a Dreams, a Marriot, etc. It's not a sketchy area, so a shelter in place is a scary.

See earlier posts about cartels operating “in the background.”

That post was troubling because it sounded like someone who felt safe in their bubble, because they were not the one being gruesomely murdered.

When will we learn that lawlessness is threatening to everyone?

Who is we? What can a US citizen reasonably do to advocate for improved Mexican policing?

Petition our government, which can spend our money and soft power freely to influence international affairs when they are so inclined.

More importantly, if we boycott travel to Mexico (rather than chasing the cheapest margarita), their leaders will probably decide that they can’t continue looking the other way.

(Interesting that it took a woman in charge to crack down finally .)

Ha ha US soft power in 2026 good luck with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Chicken/egg

No, if there is no demand, supply will try up.

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Anonymous wrote:Someday Mexico might want to deal with its longstanding real problems with cartels. Sorry if it disrupts your beach vacation.

Mexico has a cartel problem only because the U.S. has a drug problem.

Chicken/egg

No, if there is no demand, supply will try up.

Drug Lords and their minions conspire to get people addicted to induce demand. If they didn't exist, people wouldn't get addicted in the first place.