Tips for dating with "niche looks" in my 40s

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of responses so I will not break them out into quotes but will try to address them all.

By in my 40s I mean I just turned 41 a few weeks ago. Women that I date are in the 32 - 47 range recently but that has adjusted over the years upwards as I've gotten older. When I was in my 20s I was trying to date women in the late 20s - early 30s range. The level of tattoo coverage I have is essentially a bodysuit, meaning my body and limbs below my neck down to my ankles is all covered, except for my armpits and ribs (and no job stoppers like on the neck/hands/face). The tattoos are very clear from the photos of me on my OLD profiles. For the past few years I've been getting small pieces when I travel but my heavy collecting days are behind me since I'm pretty much out of space.

I am African American. I do not discriminate across any race or ethnicity, open to dating whoever in that regard. I don't tend to find blondes attractive but I have dated a few of them. I would be open to dating black women but my lack of religious belief usually stops that in its tracks. I would consider myself an atheist but I am extremely laid back about it. I'm not going to snap at someone for inviting me to their church or anything but I'm also not going to go unless its a big holiday and we were meeting with family.

Type of women I'm seeking: There isn't really any one type. The one dealbreaker is that she has to be passionate about something other than work. Would prefer if it was some type of hobby that keeps her active but it doesn't have to be. As I state above, open to all races; if she's goth thats cool, if shes type a businesswoman type thats cool too. I would prefer if every "life issue" doesn't result in the belief fo the worst case scenario happening. For example, dated a woman that whenever her boss asked for a meeting she claimed she was getting fired and her career was over. That became exhausting very quickly. I'm not joining a biker gang because I've dated women whose fathers were in motorcycle clubs, both outlaw/1% and normie clubs and the personality clash was just too much. Also, I get hurt enough BMXing I don't need to get hurt riding a motorcycle too, hahahaha. She doesn't have to be a gym rat / super fit and if she is then I would prefer her not being enhanced as I'm natural and am planning on staying natural. I find that I'm most physically attracted to Greek/Italian women and mentally/emotionally attracted to women that are more creative/artistic or at least have that element to their personality even if their actual job is more corporate/traditional. Fine with women taller than me.

Talking down to people: I happen to work in a very collaborative space in my legal practice so luckily I don't engage in such behavior even at work and I try to not slip into interacting with people in that way. I make it a point to never tell people you can't do this or that and am willing to talk through things with folks but the final decision lies with them unless its the type of decision where both people need to agree on a plan of action.

Topics of conversation on dates: I ask a lot of question about their hobbies and their goals. Does work drive them or their friendships or relationships with family members or what? Are they more bougie or salt of the earth? Flashy or low key? Are their friends from a wide variety of socioeconomic groups or all just rich/all middle class/etc? I'm not talking about myself too much because I'm not super interesting really and I haven't really accomplished too much in my life in my opinion. What kind of music are they into? Do they go to concerts or prefer to just listen to the music at home/in the car?


This is your problem. You have very low tolerance for humans being human. People are going to have anxiety. Women tend to be VERY anxious, and if you’re pursuing high achieving women with careers, even more so. High achieving women were raised to never get a wrong answer, never make anyone upset, etc, so even minor things can feel like the worst case scenario.

There’s also some conflicting things that you want. You want a woman who works out, but can’t have cosmetic work. Someone with a career, but she has to have passions outside of work and be a creative as well. It’s going to be very challenging to find all of those in one woman.

I’m wondering if you give off the vibe that you’re not really happy with the women you date as they are? That’s sort of the sense I get here, that you’re looking for the manic pixie dream girl type, and it’s not very fun to be with a man you know wishes you were different.

You remind me of a friend of mine who has similar problems with women, despite him being very handsome and successful. He doesn’t think that he has high standards because he dates a very wide age range, but you can tell when he’s with a woman, he doesn’t think of her as his dream woman. And it’s not that he’s mean or rude about it, it’s just a vibe he puts out.

Ya know what I mean? Like it’s not enough for a woman to be attractive, she has to be attractive with no cosmetic work done. It’s not enough for her to have a career, she also has to have “passions” and hobbies. It’s not enough for her to be type A, she also has to be a creative. And it’s not enough for her to be a creative, she also has to be a stoic and never have anxiety.

If you want a creative woman, you can find them, but they’re not gonna have good careers and they will absolutely have issues with anxiety. That’s just part of it. Highly creative people are strong feelers, which means they feel all their emotions very strongly.


If they have plastic surgery then thats one thing, but by enhanced I meant I'm not open to dating women that use steroids/peptides. I guess if their job was one that required looking a certain way or athletic performance at a certain level thats one thing, but just for personal goals I don't think the side effects are worth it.

For the person that told me to stick with non-black women, I'm not saying everyone black woman is religious, just all of the ones that I dated/attempted to date pumped the brakes hard when I told them I did not believe in a higher power.


I mean … how many women are you running into who take steroids?

How many women do you reject vs reject you?


I would say probably about 20% of the women that I have dated have admitted to using them in some form or fashion. Mostly to stay super lean/toned rather than putting on bulk. As far as rejection, probably 70% them rejecting versus 30% me rejecting.


Ok that is weird … are you meeting them in CrossFit or something?


I find it super weird too. My guess is that the women who are super into the muscle scene are the main women into him since it sounds like he doesn’t want kids and has a lot of other negative traits, but he is fit with big muscles. He’s not encountering normal women because they aren’t attracted to him so aren’t matching him on the apps.
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Anonymous wrote:Looking like Curtis Mayfield, are tattoos even visible on your skin?



Yes, they are black and gray American traditional so they are quite bold and “readable” even from a bit of a distance away.

Would be interesting to price out what a complete body suit removal would cost. Not going to remove them but iam curious how that would be priced is all.
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Anonymous wrote:Looking like Curtis Mayfield, are tattoos even visible on your skin?



Yes, they are black and gray American traditional so they are quite bold and “readable” even from a bit of a distance away.

Would be interesting to price out what a complete body suit removal would cost. Not going to remove them but iam curious how that would be priced is all.


Can I ask why you got the tattoos?
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Female here:
I’m 5’ 5”. Being 5’ 6” would not be an issue. Are you only looking for women way shorter than you? That clearly would tighten the playing field.

I love buff guys. My boyfriend is 51 and very fit (but not roid looking). He is also an attorney.

I feel like there’s a bit of confusion between the lots of tattoos and your profession. Tattoos are not necessarily a dealbreaker for me but I don’t think I could, as a working professional, take someone home who had sleeves. That part is confusing. I think you’re probably looking for someone who is more in the tattoo world than in the attorney world.

Last- I’m 37 and divorced, and I’ve met everyone (other than one person) in the wild vs. apps. At least when you meet someone in the wild, you know there’s attraction rather than wasting time on a date. Go eat dinner at the bar, multiple times a week. I met 3 divorced attorneys at the bar, none at fancy establishments. Real, down to earth places. I didn’t know they were attorneys. I liked that they were just hanging at the right place and weren’t pretentious. Stop with the OLD.

MY 2 cents
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Anonymous wrote:Looking like Curtis Mayfield, are tattoos even visible on your skin?



Yes, they are black and gray American traditional so they are quite bold and “readable” even from a bit of a distance away.

Would be interesting to price out what a complete body suit removal would cost. Not going to remove them but iam curious how that would be priced is all.


Can I ask why you got the tattoos?


Sure. Saw some documentary’s about tattoos when I was growing up and my older brothers all had a couple of them. Once I got into BMX riding and the punk scene the folks that I was fans of / looked up to in those scenes were all heavily tattooed and I wanted to be like them. Got my first one, realized it was fun and was relatively rare especially in the black community I was raised in and it took off from there. Some of them have “meaning” but most of them are just ones where I liked the design whether it was funny or punny or I liked the classic designs and just kept getting them. Not super deep unfortunately.
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Anonymous wrote:Looking like Curtis Mayfield, are tattoos even visible on your skin?



Yes, they are black and gray American traditional so they are quite bold and “readable” even from a bit of a distance away.

Would be interesting to price out what a complete body suit removal would cost. Not going to remove them but iam curious how that would be priced is all.


Can I ask why you got the tattoos?


Sure. Saw some documentary’s about tattoos when I was growing up and my older brothers all had a couple of them. Once I got into BMX riding and the punk scene the folks that I was fans of / looked up to in those scenes were all heavily tattooed and I wanted to be like them. Got my first one, realized it was fun and was relatively rare especially in the black community I was raised in and it took off from there. Some of them have “meaning” but most of them are just ones where I liked the design whether it was funny or punny or I liked the classic designs and just kept getting them. Not super deep unfortunately.

Gently, you keep randomly emphasizing how different you are from other African Americans and it seems this is deliberate to some extent. There's something going on with you. Maybe a subconscious complex. It has probably affected your dating prospects because most successful relationships are intraracial. If you can't or won't look in the most obvious direction (at other African Americans), you're really killing your odds. I hope this doesn't sound racist.
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Anonymous wrote:Looking like Curtis Mayfield, are tattoos even visible on your skin?



Yes, they are black and gray American traditional so they are quite bold and “readable” even from a bit of a distance away.

Would be interesting to price out what a complete body suit removal would cost. Not going to remove them but iam curious how that would be priced is all.


Can I ask why you got the tattoos?


Sure. Saw some documentary’s about tattoos when I was growing up and my older brothers all had a couple of them. Once I got into BMX riding and the punk scene the folks that I was fans of / looked up to in those scenes were all heavily tattooed and I wanted to be like them. Got my first one, realized it was fun and was relatively rare especially in the black community I was raised in and it took off from there. Some of them have “meaning” but most of them are just ones where I liked the design whether it was funny or punny or I liked the classic designs and just kept getting them. Not super deep unfortunately.

You code blue collar punk 20-something-year old white, but you're an almost 50 year old black lawyer. You've kinda guaranteed you don't fit in anywhere. Not sure why you did that to yourself.
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Anonymous wrote:Looking like Curtis Mayfield, are tattoos even visible on your skin?



Yes, they are black and gray American traditional so they are quite bold and “readable” even from a bit of a distance away.

Would be interesting to price out what a complete body suit removal would cost. Not going to remove them but iam curious how that would be priced is all.


Can I ask why you got the tattoos?


Sure. Saw some documentary’s about tattoos when I was growing up and my older brothers all had a couple of them. Once I got into BMX riding and the punk scene the folks that I was fans of / looked up to in those scenes were all heavily tattooed and I wanted to be like them. Got my first one, realized it was fun and was relatively rare especially in the black community I was raised in and it took off from there. Some of them have “meaning” but most of them are just ones where I liked the design whether it was funny or punny or I liked the classic designs and just kept getting them. Not super deep unfortunately.

Are your older brothers happily married?
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I dated a body builder and he was obsessed with himself. He sent so much time at the gym, a total turn off as time went on. I too was into fitness but it was not my whole personality.
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You sound like you have that napoleon complex. You’re short but the first thing you state after that is that you’re into working out. You like tattoos. You’re trying to look tough. Not the vibe I want.
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Anonymous wrote:Do you splash out on dates? You're a partner at a law firm, use money to solve your problem. If you're meeting people through OLD, AA get a lower number of matches so maybe try meeting people IRL.And, find someone else with niche looks.


A guy like this was in my social circle. He only wanted to date White women or the occasional Latina or Asian woman. He blamed it all on being short, but really it was racism limiting his dating opportunities.

I think the fact that OP’s exemplars of highly attractive men are White says a lot.
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Anonymous wrote:Looking like Curtis Mayfield, are tattoos even visible on your skin?



Yes, they are black and gray American traditional so they are quite bold and “readable” even from a bit of a distance away.

Would be interesting to price out what a complete body suit removal would cost. Not going to remove them but iam curious how that would be priced is all.


Can I ask why you got the tattoos?


Sure. Saw some documentary’s about tattoos when I was growing up and my older brothers all had a couple of them. Once I got into BMX riding and the punk scene the folks that I was fans of / looked up to in those scenes were all heavily tattooed and I wanted to be like them. Got my first one, realized it was fun and was relatively rare especially in the black community I was raised in and it took off from there. Some of them have “meaning” but most of them are just ones where I liked the design whether it was funny or punny or I liked the classic designs and just kept getting them. Not super deep unfortunately.

Gently, you keep randomly emphasizing how different you are from other African Americans and it seems this is deliberate to some extent. There's something going on with you. Maybe a subconscious complex. It has probably affected your dating prospects because most successful relationships are intraracial. If you can't or won't look in the most obvious direction (at other African Americans), you're really killing your odds. I hope this doesn't sound racist.


This. He’s so uncomfortable with his race. Even if he got leg-lengthening surgery, he wouldn’t feel better. Women are reading him as a try hard with low self-esteem.
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Anonymous wrote:Looking like Curtis Mayfield, are tattoos even visible on your skin?



Yes, they are black and gray American traditional so they are quite bold and “readable” even from a bit of a distance away.

Would be interesting to price out what a complete body suit removal would cost. Not going to remove them but iam curious how that would be priced is all.


Ugh, are any of them pinup girls? That would be a major turn off for most women.

Look, dude, tattoos+BMX+not wanting kids scream “this guy isn’t serious and will cheat” whether or not you actually do. Every woman has dated the tattooed punk dude who drank too much, cheated, stole money, whatever, and aren’t eager to do it again.

You’re too much for the Type A, professional women. You could do fine with artsy women, but you’re too cold, unemotional, and judgmental for them.

Something has to give. If you won’t budge on the tattoos, fine, but you’re going to have to learn to be emotionally available rather than getting frustrated by women having emotions. You’re going to have to stop treating dates like job interviews. Probably you’ll need some form of therapy to figure out why you’re like that.
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I think you are getting a lot of grief here OP.

You sound super cool and I would want to date you if I was 5 years younger.

I wonder if you actually want a relationship though? Are you lonely? Do you like sex? Do you see yourself ever living with anyone?

I feel like you do need to get past a lot of your initial pickiness (with the hobbies etc) and open yourself up to a wider range of types. The kind of woman who might value you might be very different, like a younger blue collar woman who wants stability. AND you should have kids with her because I am pretty sure you would love it and kids are awesome.

Also - I get the sense that you don’t feel much vulnerability. That to me means that you ought to out yourself more in the role of a caretaker in the relationship.

I’m really curious to know more about how you have related emotionally to other relationships- in your family and the shorter romantic relationships you have had.
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There is some desperate woman slinging compliments who keeps posting over and over again pretending to be a different person. It's really weird.
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