Another horrific chicago train attack by a serial violent offender, he set young woman on fire

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Anonymous wrote:It is because violent repeat offenders are not prosecuted and if they are it us too light of a sentence before they are released from jail.

There needs to be mandatory incarceration of mentally ill who are convicted or crimes it found not mentally competent.

Reed’s criminal record includes nearly 50 prior arrests since 2017, with past convictions for arson, aggravated battery, and assault.


THIS. All of it.


Throwing people in jail seems to have done a great job of preventing crime. /s

We have the highest number of incarcerated people in the world and yet still plenty of crime. Throwing people in jail is not working. Maybe fix the actual problems instead of throwing people away.



Doesn’t matter what the actual number is or the percentage - It’s a big country! Let’s try for once to actually arrest offenders and keep all criminals in jail, and you’ll finally see law abiding people breathing freely without the relentless crime around them.


I don't believe this. This has been the idea conservatives have spouted basically since the inception of policing in this country. And never has this crime free utopia materialized. We just have more and more people behind bars, and for-profit prisons profiting. Violent crime is trending downward, yet you all remain afraid of your shadows. How about for once, we do something about the underlying problems?


I’m old enough to remember when it was a democratic president that signed in the Violent Crime Control Act of 1994. Three strikes that lead us to some of the lowest rates of crime at the turn of the century.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is because violent repeat offenders are not prosecuted and if they are it us too light of a sentence before they are released from jail.

There needs to be mandatory incarceration of mentally ill who are convicted or crimes it found not mentally competent.

Reed’s criminal record includes nearly 50 prior arrests since 2017, with past convictions for arson, aggravated battery, and assault.


THIS. All of it.


Throwing people in jail seems to have done a great job of preventing crime. /s

We have the highest number of incarcerated people in the world and yet still plenty of crime. Throwing people in jail is not working. Maybe fix the actual problems instead of throwing people away.



Doesn’t matter what the actual number is or the percentage - It’s a big country! Let’s try for once to actually arrest offenders and keep all criminals in jail, and you’ll finally see law abiding people breathing freely without the relentless crime around them.


I don't believe this. This has been the idea conservatives have spouted basically since the inception of policing in this country. And never has this crime free utopia materialized. We just have more and more people behind bars, and for-profit prisons profiting. Violent crime is trending downward, yet you all remain afraid of your shadows. How about for once, we do something about the underlying problems?


I’m old enough to remember when it was a democratic president that signed in the Violent Crime Control Act of 1994. Three strikes that lead us to some of the lowest rates of crime at the turn of the century.


No. Crime rates are lower NOW.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I live in chicago and I’m fairly liberal but this is ridiculous. Three strikes and you are out! We could have prevented this.


There were 70, 70! chances to prevent this. The prosecutor begged the judge to hold him after this guy’s last unprovoked attack on a woman. She did not. And another innocent woman paid the price.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is because violent repeat offenders are not prosecuted and if they are it us too light of a sentence before they are released from jail.

There needs to be mandatory incarceration of mentally ill who are convicted or crimes it found not mentally competent.

Reed’s criminal record includes nearly 50 prior arrests since 2017, with past convictions for arson, aggravated battery, and assault.


THIS. All of it.


Throwing people in jail seems to have done a great job of preventing crime. /s

We have the highest number of incarcerated people in the world and yet still plenty of crime. Throwing people in jail is not working. Maybe fix the actual problems instead of throwing people away.



Doesn’t matter what the actual number is or the percentage - It’s a big country! Let’s try for once to actually arrest offenders and keep all criminals in jail, and you’ll finally see law abiding people breathing freely without the relentless crime around them.


I don't believe this. This has been the idea conservatives have spouted basically since the inception of policing in this country. And never has this crime free utopia materialized. We just have more and more people behind bars, and for-profit prisons profiting. Violent crime is trending downward, yet you all remain afraid of your shadows. How about for once, we do something about the underlying problems?


I’m old enough to remember when it was a democratic president that signed in the Violent Crime Control Act of 1994. Three strikes that lead us to some of the lowest rates of crime at the turn of the century.


No. Crime rates are lower NOW.


Lower does not = ok. Get back to us when you or one of your loved ones is shoved in front of a train, stabbed to death, or trying to live with burns over 60 % of your body. Mentally ill, violent individuals need to be locked up or in an institution or closely supervised group home.
Anonymous
We have to realize at this point that it's not just victimhood pushing people to commit such vile acts but also some people are just plain evil or psychopaths. We aren't dealing with them accordingly, so they continue feeling entitled to justice while committing horrific inhumane acts of plain evil violence for whatever reasons. If this becomes a frequent thing and psychopaths are treated with white glove service (mental health evals, more comfy prisons, etc) and become emboldened, what do you think regular citizens are going to do? They will start taking justice in their hands if things get worse and simply exterminating the perps in place when caught in action. It won't be pretty.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is because violent repeat offenders are not prosecuted and if they are it us too light of a sentence before they are released from jail.

There needs to be mandatory incarceration of mentally ill who are convicted or crimes it found not mentally competent.

Reed’s criminal record includes nearly 50 prior arrests since 2017, with past convictions for arson, aggravated battery, and assault.


THIS. All of it.


Throwing people in jail seems to have done a great job of preventing crime. /s

We have the highest number of incarcerated people in the world and yet still plenty of crime. Throwing people in jail is not working. Maybe fix the actual problems instead of throwing people away.



Doesn’t matter what the actual number is or the percentage - It’s a big country! Let’s try for once to actually arrest offenders and keep all criminals in jail, and you’ll finally see law abiding people breathing freely without the relentless crime around them.


I don't believe this. This has been the idea conservatives have spouted basically since the inception of policing in this country. And never has this crime free utopia materialized. We just have more and more people behind bars, and for-profit prisons profiting. Violent crime is trending downward, yet you all remain afraid of your shadows. How about for once, we do something about the underlying problems?


I’m old enough to remember when it was a democratic president that signed in the Violent Crime Control Act of 1994. Three strikes that lead us to some of the lowest rates of crime at the turn of the century.


No. Crime rates are lower NOW.


Lower does not = ok. Get back to us when you or one of your loved ones is shoved in front of a train, stabbed to death, or trying to live with burns over 60 % of your body. Mentally ill, violent individuals need to be locked up or in an institution or closely supervised group home.


I was responding to the previous comment suggesting we need to return to an earlier time when crime rates were lower, ignoring the reality that violent crime is lower now and trending down.

But sure, go ahead and move those goalposts.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is because violent repeat offenders are not prosecuted and if they are it us too light of a sentence before they are released from jail.

There needs to be mandatory incarceration of mentally ill who are convicted or crimes it found not mentally competent.

Reed’s criminal record includes nearly 50 prior arrests since 2017, with past convictions for arson, aggravated battery, and assault.


Or...we could help people who are mentally ill before they commit violent crimes. Criminalizing mental illness is obviously not working. And neither is ignoring it. Also, why are there so many violent mentally ill people?

Figuring out how to punish and institutionalize people who commit crimes may make you feel better, but none of this actually prevents crime. I don't want to be someone's first victim either.


I agree with not criminalizing mental illness but really do not care for the glib “help mentally ill people before they commit violent crimes.”

There’s an excellent chance this man was in some type of community mental health program for severe and chronic mental illness but the fact is the medications don’t always work and people often decline care even when it’s available (and actively promoted to them.)

These are complex issues and anyone in the field will tell you making statements like “just offer the mental health care so they don’t commit crimes” (or school shootings, or whatever) makes as much sense as saying “just offer primary care, so they dont die of cancer.” It’s just not how it works.


What is your suggestion then?


Step one is don’t act like psychiatrists have a magic wand to cure everyone with severe and devastating mental illness and the only issue is access. Since that’s not true having that be the primary talking point is obviously not a winning solution.



I'm pretty sure what psychiatrists do isn't considered a "cure". In most cases is just making people more obedient, often at the expense of other brain functions. Not saying it isn't appropriate, just it's not "curing" people.

Is this really something that is appropriate for a political forum, who thinks they have something to gain by politicizing this?

Personally, I live in Rockville, we have extensive "mental health" services, and I am going to move because I don't want to pay taxes for these things or to be around the mentally ill and developmentally challenged that it attracts. Why do all the low IQ people move to my neighborhood and bring down my schools MAP scores?


Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s…



NP. God you’re such a piece of shit. I’ve literally never voted for any Republican or libertarian or Trump aligned centrist Democrat, ever. But this is not a cute story. This woman is going to die or live a life wishing she were dead. It’s okay to talk about the realities of living in a society that has given up in all directions in terms of dealing with the small fraction of violent mentally ill people.
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Anonymous wrote:For comparison’s sake, how many people did Trump kill by cutting off USAID food assistance?


Oh, you mean using USAID to fund color revolutions in foreign countries?

No, I mean the hundreds of thousands of deaths from cutting off food to starving people. I’m sorry the foreign actors feeding you garbage on X.com told you it was “color revolutions” or whatever nonsense you imagine. It was actually food. For children. Children who starved to death.


NP. This is a thread about grievous bodily harm inflicted on an American citizen by another American citizen in the United States. Why are you bringing up the theoretical impact of USAID cuts to noncitizens outside of the United States? Go post your grievances in another thread.


Because our "leaders" kill scores more people on a daily basis with their policies, but you are allowing yourself to be whipped into a frenzy over regrettable but isolated instances of violence while ignoring large scale violence committed by the people in charge.


No. People are permitted to care about multiple things at once. I’m a Mamdani-type Democratic always person who actually lives in NYC and takes public transportation. I’m a woman. The safety concerns I have for myself, for my husband - who had just left work when the Blackstone/NFL shooting happened in the lobby he had just walked out of - and for my DC are real. I can simultaneously decry the decimating, devastating consequences of destroying USAID, of the vaccination policies of RFKJrs HHS, all of it.

My outgoing highly corrupt mayor came into office because of ranked choice voting but also due to legitimate safety concerns held by working class, MC, UMC people. It’s an important issue and doesn’t warrant patronizing comebacks.

This young woman had her life ruined by someone who, in a better world, would have been under an involuntary hold for public safety. It’s a tragedy. It warrants compassionate and serious discussion.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is because violent repeat offenders are not prosecuted and if they are it us too light of a sentence before they are released from jail.

There needs to be mandatory incarceration of mentally ill who are convicted or crimes it found not mentally competent.

Reed’s criminal record includes nearly 50 prior arrests since 2017, with past convictions for arson, aggravated battery, and assault.


Or...we could help people who are mentally ill before they commit violent crimes. Criminalizing mental illness is obviously not working. And neither is ignoring it. Also, why are there so many violent mentally ill people?

Figuring out how to punish and institutionalize people who commit crimes may make you feel better, but none of this actually prevents crime. I don't want to be someone's first victim either.


I agree with not criminalizing mental illness but really do not care for the glib “help mentally ill people before they commit violent crimes.”

There’s an excellent chance this man was in some type of community mental health program for severe and chronic mental illness but the fact is the medications don’t always work and people often decline care even when it’s available (and actively promoted to them.)

These are complex issues and anyone in the field will tell you making statements like “just offer the mental health care so they don’t commit crimes” (or school shootings, or whatever) makes as much sense as saying “just offer primary care, so they dont die of cancer.” It’s just not how it works.


What is your suggestion then?


Step one is don’t act like psychiatrists have a magic wand to cure everyone with severe and devastating mental illness and the only issue is access. Since that’s not true having that be the primary talking point is obviously not a winning solution.



I'm pretty sure what psychiatrists do isn't considered a "cure". In most cases is just making people more obedient, often at the expense of other brain functions. Not saying it isn't appropriate, just it's not "curing" people.

Is this really something that is appropriate for a political forum, who thinks they have something to gain by politicizing this?

Personally, I live in Rockville, we have extensive "mental health" services, and I am going to move because I don't want to pay taxes for these things or to be around the mentally ill and developmentally challenged that it attracts. Why do all the low IQ people move to my neighborhood and bring down my schools MAP scores?


Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s…



NP. God you’re such a piece of shit. I’ve literally never voted for any Republican or libertarian or Trump aligned centrist Democrat, ever. But this is not a cute story. This woman is going to die or live a life wishing she were dead. It’s okay to talk about the realities of living in a society that has given up in all directions in terms of dealing with the small fraction of violent mentally ill people.


!1 Exactly right!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Expect to see more of this. Despair and Nihilism are on the rise, especially among young men, while violent rhetoric online is radicalizing them.


He’s 50.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is because violent repeat offenders are not prosecuted and if they are it us too light of a sentence before they are released from jail.

There needs to be mandatory incarceration of mentally ill who are convicted or crimes it found not mentally competent.

Reed’s criminal record includes nearly 50 prior arrests since 2017, with past convictions for arson, aggravated battery, and assault.


THIS. All of it.


Throwing people in jail seems to have done a great job of preventing crime. /s

We have the highest number of incarcerated people in the world and yet still plenty of crime. Throwing people in jail is not working. Maybe fix the actual problems instead of throwing people away.



Doesn’t matter what the actual number is or the percentage - It’s a big country! Let’s try for once to actually arrest offenders and keep all criminals in jail, and you’ll finally see law abiding people breathing freely without the relentless crime around them.


I don't believe this. This has been the idea conservatives have spouted basically since the inception of policing in this country. And never has this crime free utopia materialized. We just have more and more people behind bars, and for-profit prisons profiting. Violent crime is trending downward, yet you all remain afraid of your shadows. How about for once, we do something about the underlying problems?


I’m old enough to remember when it was a democratic president that signed in the Violent Crime Control Act of 1994. Three strikes that lead us to some of the lowest rates of crime at the turn of the century.


No. Crime rates are lower NOW.


Not really. Most crime stats are manipulated now so “nonviolent crimes” are not reported in the numbers. Theft for example Is actually on the rise compared to the 1990s thanks to the Internet and the ability to self checkout. That’s why many stores have items behind glass like CVS
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is because violent repeat offenders are not prosecuted and if they are it us too light of a sentence before they are released from jail.

There needs to be mandatory incarceration of mentally ill who are convicted or crimes it found not mentally competent.

Reed’s criminal record includes nearly 50 prior arrests since 2017, with past convictions for arson, aggravated battery, and assault.


THIS. All of it.


Throwing people in jail seems to have done a great job of preventing crime. /s

We have the highest number of incarcerated people in the world and yet still plenty of crime. Throwing people in jail is not working. Maybe fix the actual problems instead of throwing people away.



Doesn’t matter what the actual number is or the percentage - It’s a big country! Let’s try for once to actually arrest offenders and keep all criminals in jail, and you’ll finally see law abiding people breathing freely without the relentless crime around them.


I don't believe this. This has been the idea conservatives have spouted basically since the inception of policing in this country. And never has this crime free utopia materialized. We just have more and more people behind bars, and for-profit prisons profiting. Violent crime is trending downward, yet you all remain afraid of your shadows. How about for once, we do something about the underlying problems?


I’m old enough to remember when it was a democratic president that signed in the Violent Crime Control Act of 1994. Three strikes that lead us to some of the lowest rates of crime at the turn of the century.


No. Crime rates are lower NOW.


Not really. Most crime stats are manipulated now so “nonviolent crimes” are not reported in the numbers. Theft for example Is actually on the rise compared to the 1990s thanks to the Internet and the ability to self checkout. That’s why many stores have items behind glass like CVS



When charges are dropped because the person is mentally ill, then the next time police see someone engaging in a crime or someone wants to file a police report nothing is done. No report is made so it appears crime is lower. And if they are charged it is plead down or dropped due to mental health.

Reed had been arrested 72 times. So how many convictions would you think that would be?

Well if you guessed a minimal number, you would be correct. He only has 15 convictions.

Take this case in February 2020. News reports state, "A 44-year-old man was arrested Friday after punching four women in the face, seemingly at random, near Harold Washington Library in the Loop...The man was punching the women at “random,” and may have struck between five and 10 of them, according to a preliminary report from Chicago police. They had bloody noses and other facial injuries" The article states 4 of the women had to go to the hospital. Additionally, he was arrested the week before for punching a man in the face unprovoked.

And what happened after he struck between 5 and 10 women in the face, which required 4 women to go by ambulance to the hospital. Those felony charges were dropped. So they aren't listed in any crime report.

But sure tell us all how crime has dropped and we all are so much safer from random violence.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Expect to see more of this. Despair and Nihilism are on the rise, especially among young men, while violent rhetoric online is radicalizing them.


Do you really think the schizophrenic homeless men attacking these women in trains are just like, hypnotized by Nick Fuentes or something?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I live in chicago and I’m fairly liberal but this is ridiculous. Three strikes and you are out! We could have prevented this.


There were 70, 70! chances to prevent this. The prosecutor begged the judge to hold him after this guy’s last unprovoked attack on a woman. She did not. And another innocent woman paid the price.


These criminals need to be treated like the rabid pitbulls they are and be permanently removed from society. It’s not in the best interest of the majority of the population that wants a safe, civil
society to keep these animals alive. The judges are worthless and need to be responsible for their incompetence as well. They did this as much as the criminal did it. They willingly let the rabid pitbull off the chain knowing what it’s capable of.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is because violent repeat offenders are not prosecuted and if they are it us too light of a sentence before they are released from jail.

There needs to be mandatory incarceration of mentally ill who are convicted or crimes it found not mentally competent.

Reed’s criminal record includes nearly 50 prior arrests since 2017, with past convictions for arson, aggravated battery, and assault.


THIS. All of it.


Throwing people in jail seems to have done a great job of preventing crime. /s

We have the highest number of incarcerated people in the world and yet still plenty of crime. Throwing people in jail is not working. Maybe fix the actual problems instead of throwing people away.



Doesn’t matter what the actual number is or the percentage - It’s a big country! Let’s try for once to actually arrest offenders and keep all criminals in jail, and you’ll finally see law abiding people breathing freely without the relentless crime around them.


You don't get it, do you?

This isn't by accident. It's on purpose. You know....revolution...obligatory fist pump.

What's a step in "the revolution"? Destabilize society. It's all in the playbook. READ IT.
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