Another horrific chicago train attack by a serial violent offender, he set young woman on fire

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with putting the mentally ill in prison permanently especially if they are violent.

Because throwing people away does nothing to solve the underlying issues that lead to crime. You want to decrease crime, you go to the source and deal with it before crime happens. Jail has not actually been shown to be a deterrent, and only comes into play after something bad has already happened. Personally, I'd prefer more resources going towards preventing me from becoming someone's victim than toward punishing them after I do.

1) How are you helping individuals like this deranged criminal? 2) Where would you prefer that he be housed?

[Anonymous]

The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies on their record.

I think we need to change the system so that these judges become personally liable for the men they release after felony number 5. If a judge really thinks these felons are reformed and will never commit another crime, let them put their money on the line. And felony number 6 should bankrupt these judges.

And bankruptcy is nothing compared to the lives lost from their decisions. Why should communities suffer from these decisions, while the judges continue to let these men commit mayhem and violence without consequences?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies on their record.

I think we need to change the system so that these judges become personally liable for the men they release after felony number 5. If a judge really thinks these felons are reformed and will never commit another crime, let them put their money on the line. And felony number 6 should bankrupt these judges.

And bankruptcy is nothing compared to the lives lost from their decisions. Why should communities suffer from these decisions, while the judges continue to let these men commit mayhem and violence without consequences?

+1 Perhaps that judge will allow him to live with her since she thinks he's not a threat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with putting the mentally ill in prison permanently especially if they are violent.

Because throwing people away does nothing to solve the underlying issues that lead to crime. You want to decrease crime, you go to the source and deal with it before crime happens. Jail has not actually been shown to be a deterrent, and only comes into play after something bad has already happened. Personally, I'd prefer more resources going towards preventing me from becoming someone's victim than toward punishing them after I do.

DP.

If there are actually bonafide examples of success that can be replicated, great, let's do that. But unfortunately there seem to be a lot more of these programs that don't seem to have shown much of anything in terms of results. DC has thrown tons of money at these kinds of things with "violence interruptors" and others, and it only seems to degenerate into a jobs program that accomplishes nothing at best, or outright grift and corruption at worst.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with putting the mentally ill in prison permanently especially if they are violent.

Because throwing people away does nothing to solve the underlying issues that lead to crime. You want to decrease crime, you go to the source and deal with it before crime happens. Jail has not actually been shown to be a deterrent, and only comes into play after something bad has already happened. Personally, I'd prefer more resources going towards preventing me from becoming someone's victim than toward punishing them after I do.

DP.

If there are actually bonafide examples of success that can be replicated, great, let's do that. But unfortunately there seem to be a lot more of these programs that don't seem to have shown much of anything in terms of results. DC has thrown tons of money at these kinds of things with "violence interruptors" and others, and it only seems to degenerate into a jobs program that accomplishes nothing at best, or outright grift and corruption at worst.

+1 Because that level of mental illness is not curable or fixable. He should have been incarcerated or hospitalized for life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies on their record.

I think we need to change the system so that these judges become personally liable for the men they release after felony number 5. If a judge really thinks these felons are reformed and will never commit another crime, let them put their money on the line. And felony number 6 should bankrupt these judges.

And bankruptcy is nothing compared to the lives lost from their decisions. Why should communities suffer from these decisions, while the judges continue to let these men commit mayhem and violence without consequences?

It's not just just the judges. It's also the arbitrary law and ridiculous shift in priorities coming out of lawmakers, "councils" and policy makers. They need to have some sense scared back into them.

[Anonymous]

If Democrats don't come out strongly against lax policies and lenient handling of criminals, they'll lose the next presidential election.

[Anonymous]

Democrats are not going to change their ideology. If you think that's going to happen, you're sadly mistaken. They are entrenched in the idiocy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Democrats don't come out strongly against lax policies and lenient handling of criminals, they'll lose the next presidential election.

Nah. People care the most about the economy and Trump has made sure it’s crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Democrats don't come out strongly against lax policies and lenient handling of criminals, they'll lose the next presidential election.

Can the Democrats keep people safe from violent mentally ill criminals in the train? If not, then they will lose again. We don’t want to live in a police state with basic rights stripped away, but we also have the right to go to work without being stabbed or set on fire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with putting the mentally ill in prison permanently especially if they are violent.

Because throwing people away does nothing to solve the underlying issues that lead to crime. You want to decrease crime, you go to the source and deal with it before crime happens. Jail has not actually been shown to be a deterrent, and only comes into play after something bad has already happened. Personally, I'd prefer more resources going towards preventing me from becoming someone's victim than toward punishing them after I do.

DP.

If there are actually bonafide examples of success that can be replicated, great, let's do that. But unfortunately there seem to be a lot more of these programs that don't seem to have shown much of anything in terms of results. DC has thrown tons of money at these kinds of things with "violence interruptors" and others, and it only seems to degenerate into a jobs program that accomplishes nothing at best, or outright grift and corruption at worst.

+1 Because that level of mental illness is not curable or fixable. He should have been incarcerated or hospitalized for life.

Why in earth should taxpayers be on the hook to care for scumbags for life? Why are these “mentally ill” criminals always so careful to only attack smaller/weaker victims and also have the wherewithal to try to get away with it? If they are so crazy, so “gone” that you want to hook them up with taxpayer funded care for life, why do they never do anything really crazy like attack a 6’3 police officer? Ridiculous. Bullets or rope are super cheap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with putting the mentally ill in prison permanently especially if they are violent.

Because throwing people away does nothing to solve the underlying issues that lead to crime. You want to decrease crime, you go to the source and deal with it before crime happens. Jail has not actually been shown to be a deterrent, and only comes into play after something bad has already happened. Personally, I'd prefer more resources going towards preventing me from becoming someone's victim than toward punishing them after I do.

DP.

If there are actually bonafide examples of success that can be replicated, great, let's do that. But unfortunately there seem to be a lot more of these programs that don't seem to have shown much of anything in terms of results. DC has thrown tons of money at these kinds of things with "violence interruptors" and others, and it only seems to degenerate into a jobs program that accomplishes nothing at best, or outright grift and corruption at worst.

+1 Because that level of mental illness is not curable or fixable. He should have been incarcerated or hospitalized for life.

Why in earth should taxpayers be on the hook to care for scumbags for life? Why are these “mentally ill” criminals always so careful to only attack smaller/weaker victims and also have the wherewithal to try to get away with it? If they are so crazy, so “gone” that you want to hook them up with taxpayer funded care for life, why do they never do anything really crazy like attack a 6’3 police officer? Ridiculous. Bullets or rope are super cheap.

A different answer would be to have them be responsible for their own upkeep rather than at expense of taxpayers. They should work, like the rest of us, whether growing crops and preparing food to feed themselves, the maintenance and upkeep of the facility, plus generating revenue to cover the costs of the prison. The rest of us have to pay our own way, so there's no credible argument that it's somehow cruel and unusal.

[Anonymous]

Fear of jail may not deter people from committing crimes, but the act of keeping them incarcerated does wonders. You can’t set people riding trains on fire from inside the pokey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with putting the mentally ill in prison permanently especially if they are violent.

Because throwing people away does nothing to solve the underlying issues that lead to crime. You want to decrease crime, you go to the source and deal with it before crime happens. Jail has not actually been shown to be a deterrent, and only comes into play after something bad has already happened. Personally, I'd prefer more resources going towards preventing me from becoming someone's victim than toward punishing them after I do.

DP.

If there are actually bonafide examples of success that can be replicated, great, let's do that. But unfortunately there seem to be a lot more of these programs that don't seem to have shown much of anything in terms of results. DC has thrown tons of money at these kinds of things with "violence interruptors" and others, and it only seems to degenerate into a jobs program that accomplishes nothing at best, or outright grift and corruption at worst.

In a sort of microcosm of this, the hospital where I work created behavioral response teams for when a patient got aggressive and belligerent. They started our by only sending the behavioral folks to avoid amplifying aggression and trying to solve things via deescalation. However, they eventually had to change to automatically include security officers as part of the response team.to.protect staff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with putting the mentally ill in prison permanently especially if they are violent.

Because throwing people away does nothing to solve the underlying issues that lead to crime. You want to decrease crime, you go to the source and deal with it before crime happens. Jail has not actually been shown to be a deterrent, and only comes into play after something bad has already happened. Personally, I'd prefer more resources going towards preventing me from becoming someone's victim than toward punishing them after I do.

DP.

If there are actually bonafide examples of success that can be replicated, great, let's do that. But unfortunately there seem to be a lot more of these programs that don't seem to have shown much of anything in terms of results. DC has thrown tons of money at these kinds of things with "violence interruptors" and others, and it only seems to degenerate into a jobs program that accomplishes nothing at best, or outright grift and corruption at worst.

+1 Because that level of mental illness is not curable or fixable. He should have been incarcerated or hospitalized for life.

Why in earth should taxpayers be on the hook to care for scumbags for life? Why are these “mentally ill” criminals always so careful to only attack smaller/weaker victims and also have the wherewithal to try to get away with it? If they are so crazy, so “gone” that you want to hook them up with taxpayer funded care for life, why do they never do anything really crazy like attack a 6’3 police officer? Ridiculous. Bullets or rope are super cheap.

A different answer would be to have them be responsible for their own upkeep rather than at expense of taxpayers. They should work, like the rest of us, whether growing crops and preparing food to feed themselves, the maintenance and upkeep of the facility, plus generating revenue to cover the costs of the prison. The rest of us have to pay our own way, so there's no credible argument that it's somehow cruel and unusal.

That’s called slavery you idiot.