This. 100 years ago people lost their rights too easily when mental health was concerned. Now we have gone the other direction, and lost all common sense. Always from one extreme to the other!! |
Nonsense. This has nothing to do with services. Crazy violent people do not belong with the general population. The end. |
Doesn’t matter what the actual number is or the percentage - It’s a big country! Let’s try for once to actually arrest offenders and keep all criminals in jail, and you’ll finally see law abiding people breathing freely without the relentless crime around them. |
Why doesn’t the percentage matter? If we incarcerate a bigger percentage of our population than most other places (which we do), it suggests that’s not the solving the problem. |
I feel there is often a case of mistakes made cases or crimes that don't really need incarceration etc. There are quite a few people that have been absolved based on DNA evidence for example. It's actually remarkable how often that happened. Why does this matter? Well, you end up with many more people in jail than criminals. However, this case does not appear to be one of those cases. |
No, it doesn’t. Are you comparing our arrest percentage of the population to…. Denmark? Saudi Arabia? It’s irrelevant. I’m not sure what conclusion you want to draw by this comparison. This is the United States, and we are different. |
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It is because violent repeat offenders are not prosecuted and if they are it us too light of a sentence before they are released from jail.
There needs to be mandatory incarceration of mentally ill who are convicted or crimes it found not mentally competent. Reed’s criminal record includes nearly 50 prior arrests since 2017, with past convictions for arson, aggravated battery, and assault. [/quote] THIS. All of it. [/quote] Throwing people in jail seems to have done a great job of preventing crime. /s We have the highest number of incarcerated people in the world and yet still plenty of crime. Throwing people in jail is not working. Maybe fix the actual problems instead of throwing people away. [/quote] Doesn’t matter what the actual number is or the percentage - It’s a big country! Let’s try for once to actually arrest offenders and keep all criminals in jail, and you’ll finally see law abiding people breathing freely without the relentless crime around them. [/quote] Why doesn’t the percentage matter? If we incarcerate a bigger percentage of our population than most other places (which we do), it suggests that’s not the solving the problem.[/quote] No, it doesn’t. Are you comparing our arrest percentage of the population to…. Denmark? Saudi Arabia? It’s irrelevant. I’m not sure what conclusion you want to draw by this comparison. This is the United States, and we are different. [/quote] Why is it irrelevant? You just keep saying it is. We have the highest incarceration rate of any democracy in the world. If you’re going to claim crime is too high, it suggests to me that incarcerating people has not been an effective solution to whatever the underlying problem is. |
Maybe we need a "three strikes" type rule for judges and prosecutors who repeatedly drop the ball on violent offenders, where they are fired and not permitted to serve in that role again. |
| I have ZERO problems incarcerating the chronically criminally insane. |
I can assure you people who are in prison are not stabbing people in the neck or setting them on fire. They're behind bars where they belong. |
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The peak in the U.S. mental hospital population was in 1955, with over 550,000 residents. The US population at that time was about 166 million people.
By 1970, the resident population in state psychiatric hospitals was around 370,000, and this number declined to about 40,000 by 2014. It is hard to find exact numbers but this is from CA: At its peak in the 1950s, California’s state hospital system operated approximately 37,000 beds. By June 2024, that number had dropped to just 5,724 — a decline of 85%. Meanwhile, California’s population has more than doubled, from under 16 million in 1960 to nearly 39 million today. Had the number of state hospital beds kept pace with population growth, California would have around 90,000 beds today — nearly 16 times more than currently exist. |
I don't believe this. This has been the idea conservatives have spouted basically since the inception of policing in this country. And never has this crime free utopia materialized. We just have more and more people behind bars, and for-profit prisons profiting. Violent crime is trending downward, yet you all remain afraid of your shadows. How about for once, we do something about the underlying problems? |
You seem to fundamentally misunderstand how percentages work. That's literally how you would compare populations od different sizes. And the US does in fact incarcerate more people than any other Western democracy. Why? Jailing people is not preventing or eliminating crime. You know what has been shown to lower crime rates? Education. Eliminating food insecurity. Eliminating housing insecurity. I mean, why is it so hard to understand that most people, when they have what they need, they are able to function within society. There will always be people who cannot, and we need to figure out what to do about those people, but a lot of people behind bars are simply poor. So many corporations depend on prison slave labor, not to mention an entire industry of for-profit prisons who have a financial stake in making you morons believe crime is worse than ever, and that the solution to crime is more incarceration, when we have known for some time that that is simply not true. |
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The soft on violent crime approach by Democrats is a big problem. Everyone hates Trump, but everyone fears and hates the violent men in their communities more. And if they have to choose, voters will choose their immediate safety concerns over all other concerns.
BLM has proven to be a disaster politically for Democrats. Restorative justice and equity are not solutions. Violent men belong in prison - not the subway. |
+1 I'm guessing the PP has no idea what this poor victim's future will be like with burn scars and other emotional and physical issues related to the burns she's sustained over 60% of her body. All because some judge thinks it's ok for violent, mentally ill folks to walk the streets freely. Talk about utter insanity. |