Why is it so hard to meet moderate women?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's are examples of moderate opinions. I think many women qualify:

Believes MAGAs and Antifas are both idiotic, or at least too extreme.

Believes police protect people but sometimes use excessive force and sometimes arrest innocent people.

Believes in taxing wealthy people at higher rates than poor people but believe in capitalism.

Believes in enforcing limits on immigration but opposes masked ICE agents intimidating, scaring and beating brown people who are good neighbors and contributing to society.

Well they may be 'moderate' but they may not be too bright if they think Antifa is a thing.

[Anonymous]

You don't deserve any woman OP.

And with your abortion is wrong mindset you should never have sex.

No woman is safe with you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Define moderate.

Thinks abortion is clearly wrong.
Doesn’t like Trump at all and hates the hypocrisy of the administration.
Is OK with people having guns but still sees them as a massive problem in our country that we need to do something about.
Thinks it’s OK to challenge and question widely accepted science instead of taking everything we’re told as dogma.
Prefers a strong border and tough on crime mentality.
Thinks we should love everyone including LGBT community; yes gay people should be able to get married.
Climate change is a serious problem.
Belief in God / higher power.
Need to cut the deficit somehow and find a more fiscally responsible path.

We’ve just been too polarized to toe the party line on everything instead of viewing everything with nuance. So it’s a challenge when it comes to finding the right partner in dating.

Few of these are moderate positions.

A moderate doesn’t believe abortion “is clearly wrong.” They believe this is a personal matter left to the individual to decide in consultation with doctors.

A moderate probably does not like Trump at all. That’s true.

A moderate is probably can tolerate individual gun ownership and be for stronger gun control, yes.

A moderate understands the nature of science is challenging everything so vaccines and the like have already been fully vetted from that perspective. Your rhetoric about dogma is not a moderate position. It’s one held by a paranoid idiot who is poorly educated and doesn’t know what science IS.

A moderate is someone who is welcome to immigrants and realizes they are good for the country both economically and socially. So no, a moderate doesn’t really believe in a “strong” border. That’s right wing talk.

Similarly, a moderate believes in rehabilitation not punishment for crime. “Tough on crime” is an extreme right-wing mentality held by dysfunctional thinkers.

LBTQ support is mainstream already, so that’s hardly staked out as a “moderate” position.

Climate change being a serious problem, sure. But what does a moderate want to do about it? What do YOU?

Belief in God isn’t really a moderate thing, that’s a deeply personal one. But if you’re a superstitious type, sure, you probably want to find someone else with similar magical thinking. But it has zero to do with being moderate.

Cutting the deficit. Again, HOW? That is where the rubber meets the road in judging who is a moderate. A moderate would likely believe tax burdens should be shifted to put more onus on higher income people and we should look at cutting defense spending before social programs.

NP and don't understand you on science. There are studies that conclude a disease is caused by X and then another that says it's caused by Y. There were studies that said wine was good for you, now it's that it's better to have no alcohol. To pretend that "science" is a done deal is not moderate. To deny that the Covid vaccine was approved faster than prior vaccines is to treat people like idiots.

I rushed to get the Covid vaccine as soon as it was available to me, but that's because I judged the benefits to outweigh the risks. However, that's different from assuming those who weigh things differently are wrong or stupid and should be made to reach the same conclusions as you.

There is a big difference between 1. recognizing that scientific results may not always be correct and may change over time as we learn more and 2. challenging and questioning science you don't like. I mean if you want to ask if a result considered a certain side case and research whether a similar question has been considered that is great. But "challenging and questioning science rather than accepting it as dogma" means to me rejecting results because you don't like them, and also generally rejecting the scientific method and deductive rigorous spirit and controlled trials. This isn't moderate and would as an educated woman who wants to raise educated children, make me run for the hills. I agree with the prior poster that this is a very religious person's perspective, though not Catholics, as they have respect for science. This is looking to me a bit evangelical. OP find a church you agree with and look for a date there. And stop trying to push your views as "moderate" when that word has so little meaning. Why are you on this board?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP the answer to your question it’s hard to meet them because men have been radicalizing the last few years. It’s a turn off to a lot of women, so they just no longer want to engage. The juice anti worth the squeeze.

It’s an odd phenomenon because men want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to erode women’s rights and at the same time have them in bed. It doesn’t work like that.

That’s always what I wonder about the anti abortion crowd while dating. So they are going to hold off on sex until you’d be willing to have a child together? Seems like that a no for most DCUM posters.

Anti abortion doesn't have anything to do with abstinence.

That is the type of hypocrisy I’d expect from a fake moderate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Define moderate.

Thinks abortion is clearly wrong.
Doesn’t like Trump at all and hates the hypocrisy of the administration.
Is OK with people having guns but still sees them as a massive problem in our country that we need to do something about.
Thinks it’s OK to challenge and question widely accepted science instead of taking everything we’re told as dogma.
Prefers a strong border and tough on crime mentality.
Thinks we should love everyone including LGBT community; yes gay people should be able to get married.
Climate change is a serious problem.
Belief in God / higher power.
Need to cut the deficit somehow and find a more fiscally responsible path.

We’ve just been too polarized to toe the party line on everything instead of viewing everything with nuance. So it’s a challenge when it comes to finding the right partner in dating.

Few of these are moderate positions.

A moderate doesn’t believe abortion “is clearly wrong.” They believe this is a personal matter left to the individual to decide in consultation with doctors.

A moderate probably does not like Trump at all. That’s true.

A moderate is probably can tolerate individual gun ownership and be for stronger gun control, yes.

A moderate understands the nature of science is challenging everything so vaccines and the like have already been fully vetted from that perspective. Your rhetoric about dogma is not a moderate position. It’s one held by a paranoid idiot who is poorly educated and doesn’t know what science IS.

A moderate is someone who is welcome to immigrants and realizes they are good for the country both economically and socially. So no, a moderate doesn’t really believe in a “strong” border. That’s right wing talk.

Similarly, a moderate believes in rehabilitation not punishment for crime. “Tough on crime” is an extreme right-wing mentality held by dysfunctional thinkers.

LBTQ support is mainstream already, so that’s hardly staked out as a “moderate” position.

Climate change being a serious problem, sure. But what does a moderate want to do about it? What do YOU?

Belief in God isn’t really a moderate thing, that’s a deeply personal one. But if you’re a superstitious type, sure, you probably want to find someone else with similar magical thinking. But it has zero to do with being moderate.

Cutting the deficit. Again, HOW? That is where the rubber meets the road in judging who is a moderate. A moderate would likely believe tax burdens should be shifted to put more onus on higher income people and we should look at cutting defense spending before social programs.

NP and don't understand you on science. There are studies that conclude a disease is caused by X and then another that says it's caused by Y. There were studies that said wine was good for you, now it's that it's better to have no alcohol. To pretend that "science" is a done deal is not moderate. To deny that the Covid vaccine was approved faster than prior vaccines is to treat people like idiots.

I rushed to get the Covid vaccine as soon as it was available to me, but that's because I judged the benefits to outweigh the risks. However, that's different from assuming those who weigh things differently are wrong or stupid and should be made to reach the same conclusions as you.

There is a big difference between 1. recognizing that scientific results may not always be correct and may change over time as we learn more and 2. challenging and questioning science you don't like. I mean if you want to ask if a result considered a certain side case and research whether a similar question has been considered that is great. But "challenging and questioning science rather than accepting it as dogma" means to me rejecting results because you don't like them, and also generally rejecting the scientific method and deductive rigorous spirit and controlled trials. This isn't moderate and would as an educated woman who wants to raise educated children, make me run for the hills. I agree with the prior poster that this is a very religious person's perspective, though not Catholics, as they have respect for science. This is looking to me a bit evangelical. OP find a church you agree with and look for a date there. And stop trying to push your views as "moderate" when that word has so little meaning. Why are you on this board?

I am the PP you quoted and I'm not OP and again I personally trusted the testing of the Covid vaccine vs. how dangerous Covid was. I have a high risk spouse who had a very bad time with Covid pre-vaccine, and we went to great lengths to get the vaccine as early as possible.

I don't agree with science as dogma as a concept. Maybe the scientific method could be dogma, but what it's become in political practice is the particular results = dogma and that seems closed minded and disrespectful of the scientific method and ever-evolving understanding of how things work.

There were obviously some people rejecting the vaccine while also saying ridiculous things, but there were others with legitimate or at least potentially legitimate concerns who were dismissed out of hand for daring to ask any questions. I don't think that's helpful or right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define moderate.

Thinks abortion is clearly wrong.
Doesn’t like Trump at all and hates the hypocrisy of the administration.
Is OK with people having guns but still sees them as a massive problem in our country that we need to do something about.
Thinks it’s OK to challenge and question widely accepted science instead of taking everything we’re told as dogma.
Prefers a strong border and tough on crime mentality.
Thinks we should love everyone including LGBT community; yes gay people should be able to get married.
Climate change is a serious problem.
Belief in God / higher power.
Need to cut the deficit somehow and find a more fiscally responsible path.

We’ve just been too polarized to toe the party line on everything instead of viewing everything with nuance. So it’s a challenge when it comes to finding the right partner in dating.

Men who think abortion is "convenience" and murder, are not moderates. They're either men who hate women and always deem them as suspicious and not worthy of trust, or they're profoundly ignorant and naive.

And someone who doesn't believe in science? What the hell? That's not a moderate by any definition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's are examples of moderate opinions. I think many women qualify:

Believes MAGAs and Antifas are both idiotic, or at least too extreme.

Believes police protect people but sometimes use excessive force and sometimes arrest innocent people.

Believes in taxing wealthy people at higher rates than poor people but believe in capitalism.

Believes in enforcing limits on immigration but opposes masked ICE agents intimidating, scaring and beating brown people who are good neighbors and contributing to society.

I have these views and most of OPs except Im more of a culturally religious person than a believer in the supernatural. But I'm over 50 and too over the hill for any moderate man to consider me. Any moderate man of means is playing the field these days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Define moderate.

Thinks abortion is clearly wrong.
Doesn’t like Trump at all and hates the hypocrisy of the administration.
Is OK with people having guns but still sees them as a massive problem in our country that we need to do something about.
Thinks it’s OK to challenge and question widely accepted science instead of taking everything we’re told as dogma.
Prefers a strong border and tough on crime mentality.
Thinks we should love everyone including LGBT community; yes gay people should be able to get married.
Climate change is a serious problem.
Belief in God / higher power.
Need to cut the deficit somehow and find a more fiscally responsible path.

We’ve just been too polarized to toe the party line on everything instead of viewing everything with nuance. So it’s a challenge when it comes to finding the right partner in dating.

Few of these are moderate positions.

A moderate doesn’t believe abortion “is clearly wrong.” They believe this is a personal matter left to the individual to decide in consultation with doctors.

A moderate probably does not like Trump at all. That’s true.

A moderate is probably can tolerate individual gun ownership and be for stronger gun control, yes.

A moderate understands the nature of science is challenging everything so vaccines and the like have already been fully vetted from that perspective. Your rhetoric about dogma is not a moderate position. It’s one held by a paranoid idiot who is poorly educated and doesn’t know what science IS.

A moderate is someone who is welcome to immigrants and realizes they are good for the country both economically and socially. So no, a moderate doesn’t really believe in a “strong” border. That’s right wing talk.

Similarly, a moderate believes in rehabilitation not punishment for crime. “Tough on crime” is an extreme right-wing mentality held by dysfunctional thinkers.

LBTQ support is mainstream already, so that’s hardly staked out as a “moderate” position.

Climate change being a serious problem, sure. But what does a moderate want to do about it? What do YOU?

Belief in God isn’t really a moderate thing, that’s a deeply personal one. But if you’re a superstitious type, sure, you probably want to find someone else with similar magical thinking. But it has zero to do with being moderate.

Cutting the deficit. Again, HOW? That is where the rubber meets the road in judging who is a moderate. A moderate would likely believe tax burdens should be shifted to put more onus on higher income people and we should look at cutting defense spending before social programs.

NP and don't understand you on science. There are studies that conclude a disease is caused by X and then another that says it's caused by Y. There were studies that said wine was good for you, now it's that it's better to have no alcohol. To pretend that "science" is a done deal is not moderate. To deny that the Covid vaccine was approved faster than prior vaccines is to treat people like idiots.

I rushed to get the Covid vaccine as soon as it was available to me, but that's because I judged the benefits to outweigh the risks. However, that's different from assuming those who weigh things differently are wrong or stupid and should be made to reach the same conclusions as you.

There is a big difference between 1. recognizing that scientific results may not always be correct and may change over time as we learn more and 2. challenging and questioning science you don't like. I mean if you want to ask if a result considered a certain side case and research whether a similar question has been considered that is great. But "challenging and questioning science rather than accepting it as dogma" means to me rejecting results because you don't like them, and also generally rejecting the scientific method and deductive rigorous spirit and controlled trials. This isn't moderate and would as an educated woman who wants to raise educated children, make me run for the hills. I agree with the prior poster that this is a very religious person's perspective, though not Catholics, as they have respect for science. This is looking to me a bit evangelical. OP find a church you agree with and look for a date there. And stop trying to push your views as "moderate" when that word has so little meaning. Why are you on this board?

Some science results are biased though. Just look at who is in charge of science for the federal government these days and what they do with data. I believe science that has been proven multiple times to be true. Till then its just a hypothesis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define moderate.

Thinks abortion is clearly wrong.
Doesn’t like Trump at all and hates the hypocrisy of the administration.
Is OK with people having guns but still sees them as a massive problem in our country that we need to do something about.
Thinks it’s OK to challenge and question widely accepted science instead of taking everything we’re told as dogma.
Prefers a strong border and tough on crime mentality.
Thinks we should love everyone including LGBT community; yes gay people should be able to get married.
Climate change is a serious problem.
Belief in God / higher power.
Need to cut the deficit somehow and find a more fiscally responsible path.

We’ve just been too polarized to toe the party line on everything instead of viewing everything with nuance. So it’s a challenge when it comes to finding the right partner in dating.

Few of these are moderate positions.

A moderate doesn’t believe abortion “is clearly wrong.” They believe this is a personal matter left to the individual to decide in consultation with doctors.

A moderate probably does not like Trump at all. That’s true.

A moderate is probably can tolerate individual gun ownership and be for stronger gun control, yes.

A moderate understands the nature of science is challenging everything so vaccines and the like have already been fully vetted from that perspective. Your rhetoric about dogma is not a moderate position. It’s one held by a paranoid idiot who is poorly educated and doesn’t know what science IS.

A moderate is someone who is welcome to immigrants and realizes they are good for the country both economically and socially. So no, a moderate doesn’t really believe in a “strong” border. That’s right wing talk.

Similarly, a moderate believes in rehabilitation not punishment for crime. “Tough on crime” is an extreme right-wing mentality held by dysfunctional thinkers.

LBTQ support is mainstream already, so that’s hardly staked out as a “moderate” position.

Climate change being a serious problem, sure. But what does a moderate want to do about it? What do YOU?

Belief in God isn’t really a moderate thing, that’s a deeply personal one. But if you’re a superstitious type, sure, you probably want to find someone else with similar magical thinking. But it has zero to do with being moderate.

Cutting the deficit. Again, HOW? That is where the rubber meets the road in judging who is a moderate. A moderate would likely believe tax burdens should be shifted to put more onus on higher income people and we should look at cutting defense spending before social programs.

NP and don't understand you on science. There are studies that conclude a disease is caused by X and then another that says it's caused by Y. There were studies that said wine was good for you, now it's that it's better to have no alcohol. To pretend that "science" is a done deal is not moderate. To deny that the Covid vaccine was approved faster than prior vaccines is to treat people like idiots.

I rushed to get the Covid vaccine as soon as it was available to me, but that's because I judged the benefits to outweigh the risks. However, that's different from assuming those who weigh things differently are wrong or stupid and should be made to reach the same conclusions as you.

There is a big difference between 1. recognizing that scientific results may not always be correct and may change over time as we learn more and 2. challenging and questioning science you don't like. I mean if you want to ask if a result considered a certain side case and research whether a similar question has been considered that is great. But "challenging and questioning science rather than accepting it as dogma" means to me rejecting results because you don't like them, and also generally rejecting the scientific method and deductive rigorous spirit and controlled trials. This isn't moderate and would as an educated woman who wants to raise educated children, make me run for the hills. I agree with the prior poster that this is a very religious person's perspective, though not Catholics, as they have respect for science. This is looking to me a bit evangelical. OP find a church you agree with and look for a date there. And stop trying to push your views as "moderate" when that word has so little meaning. Why are you on this board?

Some science results are biased though. Just look at who is in charge of science for the federal government these days and what they do with data. I believe science that has been proven multiple times to be true. Till then its just a hypothesis.

You aren't qualified to make that call

That's why you fall for hucksters like that shriveled RFK jr

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's are examples of moderate opinions. I think many women qualify:

Believes MAGAs and Antifas are both idiotic, or at least too extreme.

Believes police protect people but sometimes use excessive force and sometimes arrest innocent people.

Believes in taxing wealthy people at higher rates than poor people but believe in capitalism.

Believes in enforcing limits on immigration but opposes masked ICE agents intimidating, scaring and beating brown people who are good neighbors and contributing to society.

I believe all of this stuff except I don’t know that Antifa is really a thing. Regardless, I wouldn’t like OP because of his opinion on abortion. Anyone who thinks I shouldn’t get to make my own health decisions isn’t a moderate man, so reject.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I get along best with more moderate women that don’t stray too hard to either side of the aisle. Do these women exist?

Moderate???


Screw off.

Women only got rights k. The 1979s for gods sake.

What an idiotic post